4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

[MassGuy]

IMO - My biggest question was always, why didn’t they call 911? Lots of excuses were made on why they didn’t, however, reading those text messages shows they were frightened & my biggest question still remains unanswered. After reading the text messages, it makes even less sense to me, 2 x frightened girls hearing strange things, one of them seeing someone in all black wearing a ski mask in their home, text messages showing they were freaking out, but not enough to call 911?? Even after all this time, I still find that one aspect of this case unfathomable to understand. I associate zero blame on them, it’s just something I simply cannot understand. MOO.

We should get a much better sense for why during trial. The text message document says the state intends to call them both.

 

[Megnut]

IMO - My biggest question was always, why didn’t they call 911? Lots of excuses were made on why they didn’t, however, reading those text messages shows they were frightened & my biggest question still remains unanswered. After reading the text messages, it makes even less sense to me, 2 x frightened girls hearing strange things, one of them seeing someone in all black wearing a ski mask in their home, text messages showing they were freaking out, but not enough to call 911?? Even after all this time, I still find that one aspect of this case unfathomable to understand. I associate zero blame on them, it’s just something I simply cannot understand. MOO.

BF will be a key witness.

She will be able to testify to her thought process which might clarify why and how they managed to fall asleep. DM's experience had to feel surreal -- she looked right at him and he might have looked right at her but he kept walking. Recipe for fear and self-doubt both.

Plus both of them were probably feeling the drowsying effects of alcohol and the pull of sleep.

JMO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Source for the sheath being 'forensically cleaned'?

MOO

I don’t know that I have a specific source. But the fact that apparently all traces of biological evidence seem to have been removed - save one small area pointing to a certain suspect perhaps might lead one to conclude similarly? And I am fairly certain I have read many times in published sources the past many months and years….. that the sheath was thought to have been cleaned? But if there are any posts in the circa 101 BK threads on this I will not be able to find them.

Maybe not the best source but this New York Post online February 8, 2023 article by Patrick Reilly entitled ‘Accused Idaho murderer Bryan Kohberger may have left knife sheath behind to mislead investigators: expert’:

Accused Idaho murderer Bryan Kohberger may have left knife sheath behind to mislead investigators: expert

“If you took a pistol out of your holster, wouldn’t you put it back in?” asked John Kelly, a psychotherapist who has interviewed serial killers.

nypost.com

Excerpt from that article: “The sheath - which was found in bed with two of the four victims - could have been left behind purposefully after it was thoroughly wiped down, Kelly said.” (NB: per the article Kelly is John Kelly, a psychotherapist who was interviewed serial killers.)

Perhaps the perpetrator thought in their mind that they might have cleaned the knife sheath ‘forensically’. At least well enough to avoid incriminating evidence? My further suspicion is that evidence of some sort of ‘cleaning’, whether ‘forensically’ or the like - if an assailant had carried a knife in sheath to a crime scene…… and then separated them for use, it seems reasonable to conclude they might have left more evidence on either item? Aside from the tiny amount supposedly use to make a genealogical link to the now charged suspect. To my knowledge the knife itself has not yet been recovered. At least not per publicly available information or sources. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

I don’t know that I have a specific source. But the fact that apparently all traces of biological evidence seem to have been removed - save one small area pointing to a certain suspect perhaps might lead one to conclude similarly? And I am fairly certain I have read many times in published sources the past many months and years….. that the sheath was thought to have been cleaned? But if there are any posts in the circa 101 BK threads on this I will not be able to find them.

Maybe not the best source but this New York Post online February 8, 2023 article by Patrick Reilly entitled ‘Accused Idaho murderer Bryan Kohberger may have left knife sheath behind to mislead investigators: expert’:

Accused Idaho murderer Bryan Kohberger may have left knife sheath behind to mislead investigators: expert

“If you took a pistol out of your holster, wouldn’t you put it back in?” asked John Kelly, a psychotherapist who has interviewed serial killers.

nypost.com

Excerpt from that article: “The sheath - which was found in bed with two of the four victims - could have been left behind purposefully after it was thoroughly wiped down, Kelly said.” (NB: per the article Kelly is John Kelly, a psychotherapist who was interviewed serial killers.)

Perhaps the perpetrator thought in their mind that they might have cleaned the knife sheath ‘forensically’. At least well enough to avoid incriminating evidence? My further suspicion is that evidence of some sort of ‘cleaning’, whether ‘forensically’ or the like - if an assailant had carried a knife in sheath to a crime scene…… and then separated them for use, it seems reasonable to conclude they might have left more evidence on it? Aside from the tiny amount supposedly use to make a genealogical link to the now charged suspect. MOO

This was before we learned that there was in fact blood on the sheath. It was a very recent development.

Definitely doesn’t mean he didn’t clean it prior though.

 

[MTW2011]

911 call….how was there ZERO mention of blood? Or even injuries? We’ve heard all about how it was a blood bath, how did they think she was just unconscious?

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-REDACTED-Motion-inLimine-RE-911-Call.pdf

I have even more questions than answers after reading this.

 

[Maat99]

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[QB2022]

I dont think it is that confusing why they didn't call on the context of drunk 20-somethings. Particularly of XK was wearing all black.

When DM ran to BF's room they manage to talk themselves out of it, they manage to convince themselves it was just XK. They didn't see a weapon or blood, just someone all in black. They lie there listening for noise and hear no noise, they assume they are all asleep and eventually fall asleep themselves too.

I can see how it they could rationalise themselves into believing just about any other explanation than accepting the truth.

 

[MassGuy]

911 call….how was there ZERO mention of blood? Or even injuries? We’ve heard all about how it was a blood bath, how did they think she was just unconscious?

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-REDACTED-Motion-inLimine-RE-911-Call.pdf

I have even more questions than answers after reading this.

It's an interesting phenomena that I've seen in crime documentaries on tv. The person making the discovery of the body fails to make observations like this (seeing blood/wounds).

It's interesting that they only saw Xana, as we know Ethan was in the room with her. I wonder if she was near the door or something.

 

[Megnut]

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[Sundog]

I dont think it is that confusing why they didn't call on the context of drunk 20-somethings. Particularly of XK was wearing all black.

When DM ran to BF's room they manage to talk themselves out of it, they manage to convince themselves it was just XK. They didn't see a weapon or blood, just someone all in black. They lie there listening for noise and hear no noise, they assume they are all asleep and eventually fall asleep themselves too.

I can see how it they could rationalise themselves into believing just about any other explanation than accepting the truth.

Will the defense bring up the fact that DM thought maybe the person dressed in black could have beene Xana passing by her door? It sounds like DM may have considered that at some point.

 

[Megnut]

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[Mamakhat]

After watching some of the recent findings (I think) on CourtTV today, I wonder how credible the surviving housemate will be considering she admitted to being drunk when she woke up to see the killer and his "bushy eyebrows" yet seemed to have a fascination with eyebrows according to her drawings that were found on her walls. This is definitely not me shaming or blaming. Just a matter of fact from what I heard that if her testimony will be accepted or if she will be hammered by the defense.

 

[Megnut]

Will the defense bring up the fact that DM thought maybe the person dressed in black could have beene Xana passing by her door? It sounds like DM may have considered that at some point.

Even if they do, it'll go nowhere. A murderer was in fact there, confirmed by the footprint at DM's door...

 

[gremlin444]

Oh goody, now we get to usher in round 9,493,939,393 of why didn't DM/BF call 911 until nearly noon the next morning.

I think we can get some answers to that from the defense's own recent filings (and I think at least 1 state filing). DM is quoted as saying that she was really drunk and was questioning everything she saw/it was fuzzy. It is stated that she has had known problems in the past with lucid dreaming/vivid nightmares.

So take that info, mix it in with the fact that neither DM or BF are reported to say they heard loud screams. If there were no screams, it's easy to talk yourself into thinking nothing bad has happened, right? And big strong Ethan is in the house, surely if something bad had happened he would have stopped it. And yeah, they aren't answering their phones or texts, but DM and BF either know or suspect that the other four had been drinking a lot that night as well. And their phones are probably set to mute for the night, especially for incoming phone calls and maybe even texts.

You have DM unsure of what she saw and if she saw it. She could wonder if maybe it was a guy KG or MM had hooked up with--and boy wouldn't it be awkward to call the police in that case, esp. since MM has a current boyfriend and KG and JD are still close.

The power of denial is very strong and the ability of two people to end up talking each other out of taking action is strong. These things don't happen to us. They don't happen in Moscow. You're young, you're in college, you're invincible.

Nothing is wrong, because if there is, we would have seen or heard something bigger. Something dramatic. Something that can't be explained away.

And maybe...just maybe...there's the tiny part of your brain that is trying to protect you from the horror...by delaying the moment of finding out. If I don't look, it won't have happened.

You could write it off to their ages, but honestly, I've seen grown adults make equally puzzling decisions in a situation that looks obvious to us as outsiders.

 

[MassGuy]

Will the defense bring up the fact that DM thought maybe the person dressed in black could have beene Xana passing by her door? It sounds like DM may have considered that at some point.

I think that was confusion on the part of BF as to what DM was saying. I think she meant to include a question mark too.

DM responded by saying “he”. Then described something being over the head and mouth.

 

[Sweeper2000]

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[Sweeper2000]

I can totally see DM going downstairs to her friend and her friend just saying calm down or similar and that she might have just seen a friend of the victims heading outside. was a student house so think you can expect lots of people late at night. i was like that when younger, friends round til late late.

 

[arielilane]

@BrianEntin


More Bryan Kohberger documents released, including text messages between roommates during attack and parts of 911 call. Going through it now and will have the latest on @NewsNation at 10pm when I fill in for Banfield .


6:48 PM · Mar 6, 2025

https://twitter.com/x/status/1897796562773823664

 

[gremlin444]

It's an interesting phenomena that I've seen in crime documentaries on tv. The person making the discovery of the body fails to make observations like this (seeing blood/wounds).

It's interesting that they only saw Xana, as we know Ethan was in the room with her. I wonder if she was near the door or something.

I suspect HJ didn't go close enough to see. Called out her name and Ethan's. No response. Sees her shape on the floor, possibly turned away from him. In an early photo we saw of XK trying to sell her bed, we saw she had a blanket or cloth hanging over her window at one point, so the room could be deeply shadowed. HJ knows none of the 4 are answering calls or texts. I suspect at that point he smelled blood but might not have registered what it was just yet, but he knows something is very wrong...not just drunk wrong.