4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

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Supporting DM all the way --

At the time she was awakened, she was unaware that a murderer had entered their house. Likely she wasn't aware of the Door Dash order, or XK's movements.

She had been drinking, had been sleeping, reasonable that she wasn't fully awake -- in fact, she wanted to get BACK to sleep --

All the things she (thought she) heard went through this filter, and nowhere was she imagining a prowler (until she heard a voice she didn't recognize), therefore, it was logical to ascribe the sounds she was hearing to the people she knew were there.

And when she came face to face with a masked intruder who was likely holding a knife that didn't even register correctly, it HAD to feel surreal, nightmarish -- especially since he didn't seem to notice her.

How absolutely mind bending.

SCARY AS HELL.

JMO
i wondered about that as well. assumed the lights were probably off and he walks straight past the open room door. she was lucky. proper stuff of nightmares.
ETA although i would guess she just peeped through the crack of an open dor.
 
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BK didn't leave room for it to be anyone else.

New venue, new judge. Tight ship, holding to deadlines, firm on trial date.

Defense got a mini hearing to launch a case for an actual Frank's hearing but failed to reach the threshold for one. Judge upheld the search warrants and IMO the fruits therefrom.

Defense has a two-pronged task. The trial itself and then DP at sentencing. Arguments to suppress on the former failed; simultaneously, she's battling against the DP on the grounds of constitutionality and mitigating factors, the newest being the suggestion of Autism Spectrum Disorder.

While the State favors 5 page motions and replies, the Defense is more prolific, 2000 being a favorite number. Judge did grant her some latitude... to 20 pages.

I predict spring flurries. Flurry of motions -- uphill battle for the Defense because of the DNA on the sheath and ... Amazon. BK did some shopping his attorney wanted to magically disappear.

And, any time we see BK at the Defense table, he's dropped a couple vertebrae. By August, he'll look like a fourth grader in a kindergarten lunch room, scootched down in a toddler chair.

JMO
Sans eyebrows!
 
FWIW I think the mask covered his nose and mouth AND forehead. All three.

And possibly described in one way, then another with clarification.

Described as: he wore a mask, covering his face. (Nose/mouth, would be the assumption because we've all grown accustomed to covid masks)

Clarified: it was a mask-mask, covered his forehead too.

IMO that would include a ski mask, in particular the kind, not with eye holes, but an eye window (open band across the eyes) but would also include a neck goiter plus a hoodie pulled low. In other words, a one or two piece mask effect.

IMO, he was disguising himself, camouflaging himself (darked out) and reducing DNA transfer. Donned the uniform of the horror movie, hot prowler, rapist, murderer. A shadow with eyes.

Or in this case, a shadow with eyebrows.

JMO
 
FWIW I think the mask covered his nose and mouth AND forehead. All three.

And possibly described in one way, then another with clarification.

Described as: he wore a mask, covering his face. (Nose/mouth, would be the assumption because we've all grown accustomed to covid masks)

Clarified: it was a mask-mask, covered his forehead too.

IMO that would include a ski mask, in particular the kind, not with eye holes, but an eye window (open band across the eyes) but would also include a neck goiter plus a hoodie pulled low. In other words, a one or two piece mask effect.

IMO, he was disguising himself, camouflaging himself (darked out) and reducing DNA transfer. Donned the uniform of the horror movie, hot prowler, rapist, murderer. A shadow with eyes.

Or in this case, a shadow with eyebrows.

JMO
IMO, I picture a

Full Face Cotton Ski Ninja Mask Balaclava Head

 
Your second point made me think of something. Looping.

If BK had no prior contact of any sort with any of the victims and had no prior connection to 1122, are we really going to believe that he drove randomly near to 1122, saw something of interest but the timing wasn't right, and drove away, only to loop around? And again and again? Without any cellphone map to guide him?

I'm not seeing it.

IMO from what we know, it looks like he drove intentionally to 1122, then looped away and toward it repeatedly.

That PROVES to my satisfaction that he was aware of 1122 before he even left Pullman. It was his target.

JMO
And for me at least, it shows there was only one white Elantra looking car looping around that early.
What the sheriff said in the investigation has stuck in my head..."we are looking for patterns".
So, we can surmize that there was only one white Elantra looking car driving in the area that early morning...because...had there been any others on the road captured by CCTV the defense would be all over it.
MOO.

Yes, I agree; 1122 was the target and whether KG or MM was the bullseye I keep going back and forth on. I do think XK and EC were not planned.
MOO.
 
And for me at least, it shows there was only one white Elantra looking car looping around that early.
What the sheriff said in the investigation has stuck in my head..."we are looking for patterns".
So, we can surmize that there was only one white Elantra looking car driving in the area that early morning...because...had there been any others on the road captured by CCTV the defense would be all over it.
MOO.

Yes, I agree; 1122 was the target and whether KG or MM was the bullseye I keep going back and forth on. I do think XK and EC were not planned.
MOO.

I think it almost has to be MM. But it wasn't overnight either. He may have followed KG online in order to online-stalk MM. But I think the Mad Greek will prove to be the vector.

He might have a habit of using his vegan diet TO talk to women. Waitress women.

He wouldn't have even needed ever to eat there.

Loiter in the parking lot. Like a creeper.

Do you use dedicated cookware?
Where do you live?

Maybe that's how he encountered MM. Doubt she'd be anything but polite and doubt she'd give out her address.

All he'd have to do is follow her home. 12 times.

Over a couple months, let's say. Practically a "relationship" for BK, an obsession. MM completely unaware....

He knew he'd never get a date with her. And probably hated her for it.

Misogynist.

JMO
 
And for me at least, it shows there was only one white Elantra looking car looping around that early.
What the sheriff said in the investigation has stuck in my head..."we are looking for patterns".
So, we can surmize that there was only one white Elantra looking car driving in the area that early morning...because...had there been any others on the road captured by CCTV the defense would be all over it.
MOO.

Yes, I agree; 1122 was the target and whether KG or MM was the bullseye I keep going back and forth on. I do think XK and EC were not planned.
MOO.
I, like you, feel that either MM or KG were the intended victim(s), and that XK and EC were unexpected and unplanned. I have never really given a lot of thought to this before, but unless BK had been in the house before, or staked out the house, well beyond just driving by, how would he have known who's bedroom was who's? If he entered without knowledge in mind, and with no particular target in mind, doesn't it make sense that he would have checked the bedrooms on the 2nd level first, after entering through the slider? XK, EC and DM were all on that level. If noise was made while committing murders on the second level, those on the upper level would likely still be trapped and murdered before they could escape, whereas, in theory, at least, by going up steps to the top level and going into MM's bedroom to brutally stab MM and KG, if enough noise was made, and apparently some was, then it could be more possible for anyone on the second level to escape before he could get down to commit the other murders, though sadly, that did not happen. But it seems that someone sleeping on the top level was the most intended victim, whether that was MM or KG or both. I tend to believe that likely the one most intended was MM, as BK perhaps had initially noticed her at her job at the Mad Greek, though there are conflicting reports as to whether or not he had been there. XK worked there also, but I have never gotten a strong sense that she was targeted. JMO
 
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Agreed. (If not a goiter and a cap pulled low)

I wonder if that was BK's typical running gear.... dressed like a murderer... running in the early morning hours, always up for hot prowling opportunities.

JMO
Great point that I never considered. I figured he took advantage of COVID and the freezing weather as an excuse to wear a full face mask. And always believed he stripped down nude and put on a secondary jumpsuit.

But never considered that he likely made himself seen in that outfit on numerous occasions prior for some plausible deniability in case he was stopped on his way in or out of Moscow for a traffic violation.

MOO
 
I, like you, feel that either MM or KG were the intended victim(s), and that XK and EC were unexpected and unplanned. I have never really given a lot of thought to this before, but unless BK had been in the house before, or staked out the house, well beyond just driving by, how would he have known who's bedroom was who's? If he entered without knowledge in mind, and with no particular target in mind, doesn't it make sense that he would have checked the bedrooms on the 2nd level first, after entering through the slider? XK, EC and DM were all on that level. If noise was made while committing murders on the second level, those on the upper level would likely still be trapped and murdered before they could escape, whereas, in theory, at least, by going up steps to the top level and going into MM's bedroom to brutally stab MM and KG, if enough noise was made, and apparently some was, then it could be more possible for anyone on the second level to escape before he could get down to commit the other murders, though sadly, that did not happen. But it seems that someone sleeping on the top level was the most intended victim, whether that was MM or KG or both. I tend to believe that likely the one most intended was MM, as BK perhaps had noticed her at her job at the Mad Greek, where we know that he had gotten pizza on at least two occasions, and perhaps tried to interact with her. XK worked there also, but I have never gotten a strong sense that she was targeted. JMO
IRC you could clearly see the bedrooms through the windows, particularly at night time.

From some spots clearer than others.

I think that view along with the virtual real estate tours (many of which were up prior to the murders showing off the remodel) probably gave him a pretty good idea of layout, helped him with orientation and some sense of who was upstairs in what room.

MOO
 
I, like you, feel that either MM or KG were the intended victim(s), and that XK and EC were unexpected and unplanned. I have never really given a lot of thought to this before, but unless BK had been in the house before, or staked out the house, well beyond just driving by, how would he have known who's bedroom was who's? If he entered without knowledge in mind, and with no particular target in mind, doesn't it make sense that he would have checked the bedrooms on the 2nd level first, after entering through the slider? XK, EC and DM were all on that level. If noise was made while committing murders on the second level, those on the upper level would likely still be trapped and murdered before they could escape, whereas, in theory, at least, by going up steps to the top level and going into MM's bedroom to brutally stab MM and KG, if enough noise was made, and apparently some was, then it could be more possible for anyone on the second level to escape before he could get down to commit the other murders, though sadly, that did not happen. But it seems that someone sleeping on the top level was the most intended victim, whether that was MM or KG or both. I tend to believe that likely the one most intended was MM, as BK perhaps had noticed her at her job at the Mad Greek, where we know that he had gotten pizza on at least two occasions, and perhaps tried to interact with her. XK worked there also, but I have never gotten a strong sense that she was targeted. JMO
Where is the evidence he ever went to the Mad Greek? I remember it being theorised a lot but I thought it was flatly denied by the restaurant that he'd ever been a customer.

MOO
 
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I had forgotten that, until you jogged my memory. I did not intend to misrepresent facts, if, in fact, I did. Seems there are conflicting published reports. I still stand by my belief that MM was the primary target, regardless.
 
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He was wearing a mask. I just don't think he was wearing a covid mask.

JMO
Within the first week, there were rumors that the killer was captured on doorbell footage, dressed as a Ninja. The rumors may have been half right.
Where is the evidence he ever went to the Mad Greek? I remember it being theorised a lot but I thought it was flatly denied by the restaurant that he'd ever been a customer.

MOO
The owner denied it, but I don’t know if I believe them either. If BK actually purchased takeout, I would venture a guess that he might choose a place that offered vegan options. Although some of the vegans I know don’t trust establishments that prepare food.
 
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