4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

[girlhasnoname]

Ok, and even with that clarity it changes nothing. She didn't recognize him, and she shouldn't have been able to recognize him. Not from the description we saw in those texts, and what she told police.

Exactly, what short seconds that DM saw BK (masked intruder) she was able to describe his particular body type and his bushy eyebrows. "Tall, not muscular but athletically built with bushy eyebrows". Well, hello BK you've been busted.

JMO

 

[Rolypolyoly]

It occurs to me that the statement "not really a fan of the 2014 much prefer the 2011 2013" was simply a statement of personal preference to the car style, not a preference for what he thought the vehicle was. He stated he could see the difference. In that case, if it were a personal opinion, no need to call it out. When I work and send emails, I often give personal opinions on things. Work would be dry as a bone without it.

I agree, it's how I read it too. The wording seems too casual for it to mean he favours the original parameters.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

How on earth are DM and BF going to feel if he's found not guilty? I think I would be traumatised and never feel safe again. I would become obsessive about security. I mean even if my rational mind told me BK ain't going to track me down, that it would be nuts on his part, the fear would overtake all that. The nightmares....

I really don't think there's any chance he will be found not guilty, but I agree with your post.
I was just replying to another post though, I'm not worried he will walk at all.

 

[Balthazar]

Here is AJ stating that DM is 5'8" at 7:21:

 

[Megnut]

If DM is 5'8 or 5'10, BK is taller than her.

What is the controversy here?

She guessed his height.

His presence there, confirmed.

JMO

 

[DizzyB]

Exactly, what short seconds that DM saw BK (masked intruder) she was able to describe his particular body type and his bushy eyebrows. "Tall, not muscular but athletically built with bushy eyebrows". Well, hello BK you've been busted.

JMO

It would have been ok if DM got his height wrong, his eyebrows wrong, his body type wrong. Important part is that she saw a masked individual in the house, and was so freaked out by it that she texted and called everyone, and ended up sleeping with the only remaining roommate, after making a mad dash to her bedroom. She admittedly was inebriated and unable to provide a detailed description. The phone data and the camera footage pinpointed the timing. BF can provide backup testimony as to their conversations and DM’s state. All with time stamps from cell phone data. And BK’s DNA at the scene ON a holder for the murder weapon, Elantra, cell phone off, and “driving around”, c’mon now.

DM and BF, as the only survivors, have been vilified because of their inaction that evening. It is constantly questioned. They could never have assumed that the worst thing ever actually happened. But people look at them as if they bear some responsibility. I’m sure they need to be as far away from this horror as they can be. But they will have to relive it forever. Including on the stand with the masked murderer watching them speak. We go on for pages discussing DM’s account and why details might be wrong, question why they slept. Imagine being them.

 

[NicoleInVa]

If DM is 5'8 or 5'10, BK is taller than her.

What is the controversy here?

She guessed his height.

His presence there, confirmed.

JMO

Exactly this. I’m 5’7” and my husband is 6’5”. When I see him, I often think, “I’m really almost his height - he’s just a little taller than I am”. Then I see us in a pic or a mirror and I realize “Nope”! She said her height or taller. And he is.

 

[Megnut]

And it's consistent.

One slim male.

Timestamped to her real-time texts.

Matching the Elantra which was circling the neighborhood. Until it stopped. Before speeding off.

Matching the time BK was away from Pullman and his phone was off.

And the weapon, the sheath, the DNA, the D.L. photo, BK, it all syncs.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

Even without recognizing BK, DM and BF could feel that the correct person was arrested. Even so, they might not want to hang around Moscow because of trauma. Or perhaps the idea of a copycat killer. Horrible crimes bring plenty more horrible people out of the woodwork.

As to all the supposition re: costs of transfers, new sororities, etc. We do not know any of the details. Their new colleges could have waived extra fees or accepted all credits, many sororities have national chapters, etc. In spite of me mentioning many horrible people in the previous paragraph, there are also many good people. And people working at universities surely were aware of what went down. DM and BF are not the only students from their university to leave after the murders and I assume a number of those who left went on to other universities. I am guessing some universities (maybe many?) went above and beyond to help students who were transferring due to this heinous crime.

All MOO.

Basically, who would not go home if this happened to them at college?

 

[Boxer]

I really don't think there's any chance he will be found not guilty, but I agree with your post.
I was just replying to another post though, I'm not worried he will walk at all.

There is a chance of not guilty, if suppressing the evidence is allowed.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Winco:
I'm not familiar with this chain but the one on Pullman Road, Moscow ID is open 24/7.

WinCo Foods · Moscow, Idaho

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It's a food store (not a Walmart type store that has hundreds of other items) visited late at night/early morning 12 times? Could it happen?

Sure, anything can be possible, but it's another one of ALL the other coincidences that make it not probable to me.

I wonder if LE pulled surveillance tapes for those dates? We know they have BK's CAST info for those dates showing where his phone pinged. Is this near the house where the murders were committed? Is there a food type store closer to where he actually lived at WSU?

There is an actual Walmart Super Center right next door, but it closes at 11 pm.

JMO

 

[SteveP]

Here is AJ stating that DM is 5'8" at 7:21:

Last night, when a poster suggested that DM was 5'10", it was insisted more than once that AJ said that DM is 5'7", but no link was provided. Now we get a link where she says that DM is "about 5'8"", and, for some people, an inch or two makes a lot of difference when describing someone as a little taller than someone else. According to BK's drivers license, his height is 6'. I would suggest, and I believe that most people would agree, that 4 inches qualifies as a "a little taller" than DM, which makes her description of his height pretty accurate, in my book. JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Thanks for posting, The Chapins are rethinking attending the trial. The segment with Mary Ellen O'Toole was interesting as to what BK's studies for his degree entailed.

I can't even begin to imagine how they feel. They have always remained remarkably strong and dignified throughout this entire ordeal. They have made keeping Ethan's memory alive in a positive way. A class act of human beings and the parents of a murdered son. IMO.

EBM: Added context for clarity

 

[girlhasnoname]

There is a chance of not guilty, if suppressing the evidence is allowed.

I don't see that happening here, I truly don't. MOO

 

[arielilane]

Glad the Chapins may attend trial. Who best to represent Ethan, but his family.

It would be great to see all victims' (including BF and DM) families attending trial. By being there their message will be powerful.

moo

Ethan would have graduated come May. Now, Ethan's sister and brother will graduate together w/o Ethan.


May justice be served for Xana, Madison, Kaylee, and Ethan

 

[jepop]

It's a food store (not a Walmart type store that has hundreds of other items) visited late at night/early morning 12 times? Could it happen?

Sure, anything can be possible, but it's another one of ALL the other coincidences that make it not probable to me.

I wonder if LE pulled surveillance tapes for those dates? We know they have BK's CAST info for those dates showing where his phone pinged. Is this near the house where the murders were committed? Is there a food type store closer to where he actually lived at WSU?

There is an actual Walmart Super Center right next door, but it closes at 11 pm.

JMO

Hypothetically, I suppose the defense could prove any shopping expeditions with BK's financials ie bank records, debit card receipts?. But ofcourse it might be argued BK paid cash, lol.

Then maybe defense could pull records of ATM withdrawals, but if they don't match the right times that may be less than useful. A pattern of paying by cash would need to be established imo and State might be able to produce evidence to counter that. Maybe BK is all old school and withdraws a wad of cash for his weekly or fortnightly shopping needs including semi regular 2am visits to Winco in Moscow.... ( Speculation).

Idk, whatever way one approaches it, the shopping angle looks weak to me. Trial should be interesting anyway. Hypothetically if defense was to introduce middle of the night shopping into the equation, I guess BK may have to testify if his defense can't produce receipts. So jmo I have a feeling this may not be part of the strategy. But who knows. Moo

 

[Swansee]

I wonder if LE pulled surveillance tapes for those dates?

That's why I was mentioning Winco specifically.
I believe it was @MassGuy who noted earlier in the thread that the State has, and intends to use, several items including BK receipts from Winco (which obviously will have timestamps) as well as videosurveillance footage of the victims at Winco.
So clearly the State thinks Winco is relevant.

 

[mickey2942]

There is a famous PhD writer, Dr. Temple Grandin. She has been diagnosed with "Autism" as an adult, and reading about her life is quite fascinating. I can easily see BK fitting this diagnosis, but it doesn't excuse or justify his behavior.

Temple Grandin - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[wendy44]

I personally knew people who chose to leave Va Tech after the mass shooting there in 2007--and that shooter was dead and no continuing threat or fear they had the wrong person. And many professors bent over backwards to allow students to wrap up their semesters early and go home for the summer--for example, giving them the opportunity to have their current grade stand if they were happy with it. There was a lot of effort put into accommodating all the needs. I have no doubt the university worked with the students in the same way here, especially the surviving roommates and siblings. I think it's enough to say that DM couldn't identify BK from his photo. And what she did see doesn't rule him out.
JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

There is a famous PhD writer, Dr. Temple Grandin. She has been diagnosed with "Autism" as an adult, and reading about her life is quite fascinating. I can easily see BK fitting this diagnosis, but it doesn't excuse or justify his behavior.

Temple Grandin - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Temple's autism never went under the radar like most people diagnosed as adults, she was recognised as being neurodivergent from the age of two, and her parents were told to institutionalise her. She was in speech therapy by two and a half and her schooling was tailored to her needs. She may not have had an official autism diagnosis until adulthood, but her mother realised she was autistic by the time Temple was in her midteens when she read about it.

If Temple was a baby today, she would not have missed being diagnosed with autism. She was a child of the fifties, and received a diagnosis of "brain damaged" in infancy, as many neurodivergent kids did then. So it's not really equivalent to a person who has lived their life just maybe being seen as quirky and not having their challenges recognised. Temple's were recognised, they were just labelled using the common words of the time. She had therapy and schooling adapted because of it.

MOO