4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

[Warwick7]

The DNA from the knife sheath was the one thing they had.... which means they also have other evidence.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/10/us/idaho-killings-bryan-kohberger-dna-wwk/index.html

 

[arielilane]

@BrianEntin


In new court filing, prosecutor says Bryan Kohberger's defense expert plans to argue the knife sheath "could have been planted by the real perpetrator" and does "not prove defendant was ever at the crime scene."Investigators say DNA on the knife sheath belongs to Kohberger.



12:32 PM · Mar 12, 2025

 

[SteveP]

The situation is NOT that DM couldn't absolutely identify BK, it is that she had "no clue" if he was the man she saw and heard. There was NO identification of BK AT ALL by her. Even in the PCA BP says he identified BK from DM's description - but BP does not know what DM saw - there is no sketch, so, he's not qualified to identify the suspect based on appearance at all.

DM told LE what she heard the suspect say. LE could have done a lineup, either live or by video and had the men in the lineup read what the suspect said and walk a few steps. There are many ways LE could have presented BK to DM so that DM could have more information to be able to determine if he is the man she saw and heard. But it seems they have not done any of that which I find very unusual.

JMO

LE could have done a lineup, and allowed DM to see them and hear them speak. They didn't. They didn't need to. They knew he was their guy when they arrested him. Should we ignore all of the evidence that points strongly to BK being the killer, not the least of which is his DNA on a bloody knife sheath, which I do not believe any reasonable juror would ever accept just somehow innocently ended up in MM's bed.

Had there been a lineup, and DM had been unable to identify him from a few words uttered, which I think may be perfectly normal, and again, he was wearing a ski mask type covering that very well may have muffled his voice, then I suggest that the same people who are now arguing that there should have been a lineup would be the first to shout his innocence, because she could not. JMO

 

[INfisherman]

BK's Accent?


snipped for focus @Balthazar Thx for your posts, usually digging in, drilling down for detail, like this one.

I'm puzzled about BK having "a unique cadence and PA accent." IIUC, speech cadence, not walking/body movement. A PA accent, meaning a Philly accent, “Pittsburghese” or a Delaware Valley English accent in the southeastern part of the state, etc.?

I do not recall hearing him speak, except directing a few words at JJJ at a hearing, but I could have missed other audio clips.

Any AUDIO links to him speaking. Balthazar ? Anyone?

To add,

Well, wasn’t she shown a photograph of him when asked if she recognized BK? How is one to recognize accents, gaits, etc. from a photo? Hmmmm….

 

[Cool Cats]

LE could have done a lineup, and allowed DM to see them and hear them speak. They didn't. They didn't need to. They knew he was their guy when they arrested him. Should we ignore all of the evidence that points strongly to BK being the killer, not the least of which is his DNA on a bloody knife sheath, which I do not believe any reasonable juror would ever accept just somehow innocently ended up in MM's bed.

Had there been a lineup, and DM had been unable to identify him from a few words uttered, which I think may be perfectly normal, I suggest that the same people who are now arguing that there should have been a lineup would be the first to shout his innocence, because she could not. JMO

You do not do a line up when a person is wearing a mask, only if his face was uncovered and she got a really good look at him. And first they would show her a bunch of photos but again, you can't be reliable when most of the face is covered with a mask, you can only guess that maybe it could be so and so.

Try to identify a stranger in dim light walking fast with a mask, preposterous. Over the mask she only noticed his prominent eyebrow ridge but you need a nose and mouth and facial structure and hair to go with it. Line up is laughable.

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[Balthazar]

BK's Accent?


snipped for focus @Balthazar Thx for your posts, usually digging in, drilling down for detail, like this one.

I'm puzzled about BK having "a unique cadence and PA accent." IIUC, speech cadence, not walking/body movement. A PA accent, meaning a Philly accent, “Pittsburghese” or a Delaware Valley English accent in the southeastern part of the state, etc.?

I do not recall hearing him speak, except directing a few words at JJJ at a hearing, but I could have missed other audio clips.

Any AUDIO links to him speaking. Balthazar ? Anyone?

This traffic stop offers lots and lots of BK dialogue where you can get a real sense of how he speaks:

 

[Arkay]

IGGAB

IGG starts by matching crime scene DNA with genetic databases to find potential relatives. By piecing together family trees, investigators can zoom in on a specific family group or lineage. But it doesn't point to one person right away. They still need to dig through multiple records to uncover the exact match within the family group.

Done and dusted.

BK as the exact match has long ago been proven so there’s no use in going backwards.

Even the defense has at last admitted its BK’s DNA, and only his.

IMO

 

[Balthazar]

To add,

Well, wasn’t she shown a photograph of him when asked if she recognized BK? How is one to recognize accents, gaits, etc. from a photo? Hmmmm….

My point exactly. All DM got was a picture which is not helpful when she mainly heard a strange man's voice then saw a person walk by who was all covered up. They didn't even do a photo lineup, since they already had arrested BK.
JMO.

 

[Sundog]

RSBM
I had forgotten Ethan was a triplet, that will be such a poignant occasion. I'm sure they will be holding something in his memory/honour.

That Ethan's brother and sister are graduating, and on schedule, is quite a testament to their strength and resilience and their parents deserve a huge amount of credit for making the needs of these two young adults the focus of all their energy while at the same time mourning the loss of Ethan and finding ways to honor him.

I think their choice to remain out of the public eye allowed them to stay focused on their priority which was the current and future lives of their young adult children. I'm sure it wasn't easy, but what a celebration it will be on graduation day this year as these two young adults achieve this major milestone in their lives. My heart goes out to all of them.

 

[Megnut]

So.... someone who looks an awful lot like BK got his hands on BK's knife and sheath, abd while BK was driving around in his Elantra, the doppelganger was driving around in a copycat Elantra, and while BK drove around with his phone off, the doppelberger murdered four coeds. And BK was aware of this so he drove by the scene the next morning and obsessed over protecting his DNA with gloves and baggies.

Guess we can look forward to BK taking the stand to tell the jury about how and when his sheath went missing.

I guess this is where you get when you've got nothing else.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

My point exactly. All DM got was a picture which is not helpful when she mainly heard a strange man's voice then saw a person walk by who was all covered up. They didn't even do a photo lineup, since they already had arrested BK.
JMO.

Her description was very helpful and no doubt jurors will decide how much "weight" to give her description in deliberations. Her description helped catch him by his driver's license. His license photo and height and weight (180) description on license. Could not rule him out. Strong circumstantial evidence.

Did not need exact match, it was just enough to make him a suspect but they needed to build a case with more evidence. The description of him and his car color and type and license started the whole ball rolling towards him.

See PCA, it is very clearly put.

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[INfisherman]

Where BK lives, it's very rural. They don't have crosswalks. Says BK.

Calling for a Fact Check on Aisle 7.

JMO

Where he lives, that may be true, but he isn’t doing any shopping where he lives, as that’s nothing but homes. At the nearby town of Brodheadsville, SE of his home, where someone might go to shop or eat or visit a store at which to buy a large knife, I found these things:

 

[INfisherman]

My point exactly. All DM got was a picture which is not helpful when she mainly heard a strange man's voice then saw a person walk by who was all covered up. They didn't even do a photo lineup, since they already had arrested BK.
JMO.

Good thing he left his DNA to help answer the question who was this mystery invader.

 

[Balthazar]

Her description was very helpful and no doubt jurors will decide how much "weight" to give her description in deliberations. Her description helped catch him by his driver's license. His license photo and height weight description on license. Could not rule him out. Strong circumstantial evidence.

Did not need exact match, it was jyst enough to make him a suspect but they needed to build a case with more evidence. The description of him and his car color and type and liscense started the whole ball rolling towards him.

See PCA.very clearly put.

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Her description could fit millions of men.

 

[Cool Cats]

Her description could fit millions of men.

Her description can not rule him out and matched his license.

Did she say fat man, no.
Dis she say man of color, no.
Did she say stocky, no.
Did she say 2 men, no.
Did she say female, no.
Did she say short man, no

This is extremely strong circumstantial evidence a jury will be sure to talk about.

Did she notice prominent eye brows/eyebrow ridge, yes. Why? Because BK has that. And he is on the taller side not short and weighs 180 which is an athletic build but definitely not stocky. Very good description.

Bravo DM

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[MassGuy]

Her description could fit millions of men.

Yup, not it's not inconsistent with Kohberger, which is important; this is not a witness identification case.

They've got something much better than that.

 

[INfisherman]

Her description can not rule him out and matched his license.

Did she say fat man, no.
Dis she say man of color, no.
Did she say stocky, no.
Did she say 2 men, no.
Did she say female, no.
Did she say short man, no

This is extremely strong circumstantial evidence a jury will be sure to talk about.

….and combined with the totality of evidence, my oh my. I’d be slouching in my chair & manscaping my woolly worms too!

MOO

 

[Megnut]

Her description could fit millions of men.

Indeed, millions.

Reduced by the ones who had access to Moscow at 4am.
Reduced by the ones who drove a white Elantra.
Reduced by the ones who have no discernable alibi.
Reduced by those who demonstrated really peculiar, consciousness of guilt behavior afterwards and suspicious purchases beforehand.
And if that doesn't reduce the millions by enough, there's the DNA which reduces it to The One.

5 octillion to one.

We should be commending DM for her accuracy, which the DNA confirms.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

….and combined with the totality of evidence, my oh my. I’d be slouching in my chair & manscaping my woolly worms too!

MOO

The DNA is the cherry on top that juries like to have to be sure. This is one of the tightest cases I have seen and almost unusual for the defense to give up so soon on disproving that this is BK's DNA.

When your own defense agrees your DNA is under a murder victim it is time to plead for your life.

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[SteveP]

Her description could fit millions of men.

Yes, and if it fit octillions of men, I might doubt that LE got the right guy, but, well, you know...