4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

[MassGuy]

Latest Docket Update:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/Summary/Case-Summary-Kohberger-03032025.pdf

 

[MassGuy]

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/Summary/Case-Summary-Kohberger-03032025.pdf

Summary:

In this case, the court has observed that the parties have been excessively filing entire documents under seal, rather than redacting only specific sensitive information. Much of this material is already public or not confidential, which goes against the public's First Amendment right to know what happens in court, as supported by the case State v. Clapp. The Idaho Supreme Court adopted I.C.A.R. 32 to set criteria for when court records can be sealed or redacted, and the court will now strictly enforce this rule.

Moving forward, the court will scrutinize requests to seal documents and reject them if they lack a detailed legal and factual basis tied to I.C.A.R. 32(i)(3)(A). Filing a document under seal is pointless if its title already reveals the sensitive information, as the title appears in the public register. The parties must use the least restrictive methods, like initials instead of names, to protect information. The court has denied the State's broad requests to seal entire documents, instead redacting them (e.g., using initials or familial terms like "brother") and sealing only specific exhibits like grand jury testimony. Redacted versions will be made public, while originals remain sealed.

 

[Megnut]

I, like you, feel that either MM or KG were the intended victim(s), and that XK and EC were unexpected and unplanned. I have never really given a lot of thought to this before, but unless BK had been in the house before, or staked out the house, well beyond just driving by, how would he have known who's bedroom was who's? If he entered without knowledge in mind, and with no particular target in mind, doesn't it make sense that he would have checked the bedrooms on the 2nd level first, after entering through the slider? XK, EC and DM were all on that level. If noise was made while committing murders on the second level, those on the upper level would likely still be trapped and murdered before they could escape, whereas, in theory, at least, by going up steps to the top level and going into MM's bedroom to brutally stab MM and KG, if enough noise was made, and apparently some was, then it could be more possible for anyone on the second level to escape before he could get down to commit the other murders, though sadly, that did not happen. But it seems that someone sleeping on the top level was the most intended victim, whether that was MM or KG or both. I tend to believe that likely the one most intended was MM, as BK perhaps had initially noticed her at her job at the Mad Greek, though there are conflicting reports as to whether or not he had been there. XK worked there also, but I have never gotten a strong sense that she was targeted. JMO

Didn't XK's dad say early on that he repaired her lock? In an interview, iirc.

I wonder what was wrong with it.

I still wonder about access. Didn't we also learn each room had a lock? How did BK think he'd get into a bedroom? HOW did he get into MM's bedroom?

Maybe DM WAS right and KG DID go up and down the stairs, DID say there was someone there and BK reached the bedroom door before KG could shut it.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Where is the evidence he ever went to the Mad Greek? I remember it being theorised a lot but I thought it was flatly denied by the restaurant that he'd ever been a customer.

MOO

No evidence, just speculation.

Maybe he never ate in.

Maybe he never ordered from.

That wouldn't preclude going TO.

And if he did talk to KG or XK, it might not have been terribly memorable for them.... but also, they're not here to confirm, deny, describe.

JMO

 

[LinasK]

Exactly. MOO his guilt is obvious but that does not mean a conviction is certain. No jury trial is a "slam-dunk."

I did just watch a true crime show where the evidence was so clear-cut that the jury convicted him in 30 min! He used his huge pickup truck as the murder weapon to run his victim over- tried to claim that he swerved INTO the victim's car to avoid him- rather than the most obvious other direction away from the victim.

 

[Arkay]

I had forgotten that, until you jogged my memory. I did not intend to misrepresent facts, if, in fact, I did. Seems there are conflicting published reports. I still stand by my belief that MM was the primary target, regardless.

IIRC and according to the links above, there were conflicting reports about whether or not BK dined/hung out at the Mad Greek.

If he was obsessed with one of the girls, there were other ways for him to have encountered or watched them.

I don’t think that they were ever in class together, as they were different ages and he wouldn’t be taking undergrad courses.

If not in the library or some other common area, maybe the girls often went to the food truck where we saw them on their last night, and due to the omnipresent live video stream there he was able to focus on them?

If indeed he was obsessed and perhaps stalking, I’d agree it was MM or KG rather than X. Just because imo they were flashier, going blond and maybe more extroverted than Xana.

Maybe if he really did watch through the glass sliding doors, he figured out whose bedroom was whose?

Just spitballing.

 

[Megnut]

Phase I of the trial is slated for 6 weeks iirc. (Then 6 more for the penalty phase.)

There will be A LOT of discovery.

It might take a jury a while to review it all... so I'll give them 8+ hours to reach a verdict...

I know they haven't been selected yet, but when we get there, they'll have my respect -- hard job and autopsy photos they'll never be able to unsee.

Sheer butchery.

The ugliest side of humanity.

JMO

 

[Gigiky]

At this point surely AT has ask BK how he thinks his DNA got on that sheath. I would love too have been a fly on the wall to hear that conversation. JMO

 

[Megnut]

At this point surely AT has ask BK how he thinks his DNA got on that sheath. I would love too have been a fly on the wall to hear that conversation. JMO

IMO there's NO WAY she'd ask that question.

I doubt she asks him anything beyond, "how are you?"

She does not need his help!

JMO

 

[Boxer]

IMO there's NO WAY she'd ask that question.

I doubt she asks him anything beyond, "how are you?"

She does not need his help!

JMO

Agree. She can't allow him to talk.

 

[Megnut]

He probably just stares at her creepily.

 

[MassGuy]

He probably just stares at her creepily.

If he does speak, he probably compliments her by saying she has "good birthing hips," like he told his Tinder date. It's one hell of a pickup line, so there's no reason to abandon it.

 

[jepop]

If he does speak, he probably compliments her by saying she has "good birthing hips," like he told his Tinder date. It's one hell of a pickup line, so there's no reason to abandon it.

 

[jepop]

so where does the eyebrow bit come in?

Further on in Hippler's Order re Franks and DM's statements in particular, there's specification regarding which interview/s DM used the bushy eyebrows description. Moo

 

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[girlhasnoname]

While slogging through the 175 page transcript of the IGG Hearings, Detective Payne said they were not aware of BK until Dec 19th which solves for me once and for all whether the 2 traffic stops in Indiana 10 minutes apart were planned or coincidence.

I thought they might have been planned by LE, but apparently not.

JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

IIRC and according to the links above, there were conflicting reports about whether or not BK dined/hung out at the Mad Greek.

If he was obsessed with one of the girls, there were other ways for him to have encountered or watched them.

I don’t think that they were ever in class together, as they were different ages and he wouldn’t be taking undergrad courses.

If not in the library or some other common area, maybe the girls often went to the food truck where we saw them on their last night, and due to the omnipresent live video stream there he was able to focus on them?

If indeed he was obsessed and perhaps stalking, I’d agree it was MM or KG rather than X. Just because imo they were flashier, going blond and maybe more extroverted than Xana.

Maybe if he really did watch through the glass sliding doors, he figured out whose bedroom was whose?

Just spitballing.

They wouldn't have had any classes or anything like that together, because they went to completely different universities.

MOO

 

[Sweeper2000]

Further on in Hippler's Order re Franks and DM's statements in particular, there's specification regarding which interview/s DM used the bushy eyebrows description. Moo

can you provide a link please? maybe a page number.

 

[Megnut]

can you provide a link please? maybe a page number.

Not the OP, but two references on page 11 and one on page 16.

DM, despite any fuzziness that night/morning, is a powerful witness. What she saw and heard aligns with the Elantra's arrival in the neighborhood, with the events that were unfolding in house (even though context was lacking for her at the time) and matches neighborhood security, sandwiching the murders between the door dash delivery and 4:17 when there's audio of a struggle, likely from XK's room and a few minutes later when the Elantra speeds off.

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest (.gov)

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

PDF
021925-Order-Defedants-Moton-Franks-Hearing.pdf

 

[Sweeper2000]

Not the OP, but two references on page 11 and one on page 16.

DM, despite any fuzziness that night/morning, is a powerful witness. What she saw and heard aligns with the Elantra's arrival in the neighborhood, with the events that were unfolding in house (even though context was lacking for her at the time) and matches neighborhood security, sandwiching the murders between the door dash delivery and 4:17 when there's audio of a struggle, likely from XK's room and a few minutes later when the Elantra speeds off.

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest (.gov)

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

PDF
021925-Order-Defedants-Moton-Franks-Hearing.pdf

I don't get why this trial is taking so long. unless its just the defence and delaying actions. you know what the strongest evidence there is that it wasn't his car? his cell phone pings are damning as well.