4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

[schooling]

They are taking the Delphi route of sourcing the defense from the internet, it seems.

 

[al66pine]

Podcast. G. Hughes Commenting re 911 Call Transcript

I don't have the attention span either. If anyone has listened to it, could you note the time it begins?

Usually I'd agree re many podcasts & skip them.
This time on youtube I adjusted Settings to playback at 1.75 speed, so I'm almost thru now.

He does add a bit more to the other transcribed version. Can see his additional notes in red ink.
jmo

 

[schooling]

Thank you for the article, though it sounds like it was written by a third grader using AI. Naked makes sense, too (also freaking freezing your parts off), but then there ought to be other DNA type evidence, IMO. So BF saw a naked man and DM saw...a naked man with a black mask? With or without shoes?

There are no reports that DM saw a naked man. Only BF.

 

[Ghostwheel]

There are no reports that DM saw a naked man. Only BF.

So by that reasoning, were there 2 men, or one that took their clothes off or one that was naked with a black mask? And how many wearing shoes that got enough blood for the amino black to work?

Are there any reports of what time BF saw the naked man? Why did she come upstairs? So many questions. Did she really discover the deceased roommates like the article says? Or was it HJ who did the discovering?

Just thinking it through.....

 

[schooling]

I can't located the defense's filings trying to compel BF to travel to Idaho and testify.

So by that reasoning, were there 2 men, or one that took their clothes off or one that was naked with a black mask? And how many wearing shoes that got enough blood for the amino black to work?

Are there any reports of what time BF saw the naked man? Why did she come upstairs? So many questions. Did she really discover the deceased roommates like the article says? Or was it HJ who did the discovering?

Just thinking it through.....

First, I believe that BK did it and it was BK alone IMO. From the day he was arrested.

All MOO: What I'm proposing is that it was a naked BK running back to his car that BF saw outside of her bedroom window. I don't know if she ever went upstairs or not. I don't believe it was the sliding door.

I think BK actually made eye contact with DM but spared her. And it's indicative of his frame of mind at that point and why he left the sheath behind. He most likely thought DM or someone else had already called the police. How couldn't she have? He went in there to quietly kill one and ended up fighting, killing 4, dog barking, loud thumping sounds and furniture being tossed around (reporting of what BF heard), crying, blood everywhere.

So whatever he had planned was put into over drive. So the naked running makes total sense. IMO

 

[schooling]

I tried to find the filing where the defense wants to compel BF to fly in and give testimony. IMO what she saw out her window is very likely part of this testimony

Surviving roommate in Idaho student slayings won't have to appear at suspect's hearing

Funke was "interviewed by police on several occasions. She disclosed things she heard and things she saw," according to the affidavit, signed by Richard Bitonti.

Bitonti wrote that "Bethany Funke has information material to the charges against Mr. Kohberger; portions of information Ms. Funke has is exculpatory to the defendant. Ms. Funke's information is unique to her experiences and cannot be provided by another witness."


Funke's motion to quash the subpoena said the statements in the affidavit are "without support and there is no further information or detail pertaining to the substance of this testimony, its materiality or the alleged exculpatory information of Ms. Funke or why it would be entertained at preliminary hearing."

The entire statement is relevant in my opinion. But the emphasis is mine.

This is admittedly a leap but the defense loves leaps! Their definition of "exculpatory" is very different from ours. And if the magically teleporting car (my description, not theirs) is any indicator I think they are going for the magically teleporting BK argument. IMO the defense wants to know how DM saw one thing and BF saw something else in a different direction.

I still think they are both BK who was trying to adjust for his busted plan and a more hurried exit.

I remember when the entire internet was in complete disbelief that BF and DM had heard and witnessed thing and went to sleep, waiting to call the police. Just take a trip back down Websleuths memory lane to see the push back that people were getting who made those claims. Most people just assumed that they were all sleeping up until the PCA was released.

The fact that the Mirror and a few other sources (a few more major news sources will pop up if you search for it) have reported on this says a lot, IMO. People are free to not believe again.

MOO

 

[jepop]

So by that reasoning, were there 2 men, or one that took their clothes off or one that was naked with a black mask? And how many wearing shoes that got enough blood for the amino black to work?

Are there any reports of what time BF saw the naked man? Why did she come upstairs? So many questions. Did she really discover the deceased roommates like the article says? Or was it HJ who did the discovering?

Just thinking it through.....

Jmo, I don't buy that BF saw anyone, let alone a naked man. IMO this report is all over the place, and likely a result of extremely poor auto correct and auto editing, if any at all, lol. Afaik, no other msm has ever made any independent corroboration of this 'news'. It's the Daily Mirror after all! Note that they are confusing BF with DM imo. IMO "naked" is typo for "masked". We'll see at trial for sure.

 

[jepop]

I get your argument, but I think the defence can't ask that question, or they'd open the door to the witness answering the question. IMO there will just be a gentleman's agreement not to go there, and the witness will just say "a tip from the FBI" or similar. So in short, because both sides want to exclude IGG, the defence won't be able to exploit it.


In practice I don't think so.

IMO the problem with any idea of 'planting' is how do you get it into evidence? At best its just going to be suggestive questions on cross.



I think your points are good ones! I just think this kind of stuff is common in trials because there really isn't time to rehash all of IGG which at the end of the day, has no relevance to his guilt or innocence so both sides can agree just to short circuit it.

It's my opinion that if AT then tried to exploit the tip - she'd open the door to it coming in. This recently happened in Delphi IIRC.

MOO

Thanks for this. That's put me at ease knowing the d won't be able to exploit it. Reply is much appreciated.

 

[jepop]

Thank you for this. From the document "Her description of the intruder was notably similar during all three interviews: 1) white male; 2) slim/skinny/lean body type; 3) slightly taller than D.M. (5'10); 4) wearing all black; 5) wearing a mask that was covering his forehead and mouth; 6) a voice she didn't recognize saying he was "here to help," and; 7) the intruder walked out or towards the back sliding door without saying anything to her." (BBM)

I'm beginning to think there are people associated with this case, including attorneys, that say something from memory and have no idea what they are talking about. (AJ stating DM is "about" 5'8, but going from memory instead of looking it up).

"He was a short tall man with reddish black hair. One eye was blue, the other brown and the third eye was green. He was also muscularly skinny fat."/s

Exactly! Moo, it's no big deal ( no deal at all in fact imo,,) that AJ said "about 5'8" at the 23/24th hearing. She's going by memory. This is more than a dead, dead horse for me personally going forward!

 

[LinasK]

IGG does not lead to a specific individual. At best, it leads to a family group. We need to be really careful here about committing to BK because he may have other distant family members in the area who committed this crime whom we know nothing about whatsoever.

DM said she "didn't have a clue" if BK was the person she saw after his arrest. Yet she MUST have seen his eyes/eyebrows and being in his presence, saw his gait. She heard his voice, yet we have not yet heard of any tests in regards to this. BK has a unique cadence and PA accent. Does DM recognize his voice? We don't know.

When (DM) learned that an arrest had been made, she found a mugshot of Mr. Kohberger online. When asked if Mr. Kohberger was the person that she saw in the house, she did not know if Mr. Kohberger was the intruder. She knew that the man had looked at her because of the “bushy eyebrow.” (See Motion in Limine 7 - Exhibit 9 Lake interview, p. 96, l. 23-p. 98, l. 5.) All that she remembered is “some bushy eyebrow and all black and some sort of mask.” Id. p. 98, l. 24 – p. 99, l. 14.

Franks D.M. was shown Defendant's mug shot and asked by Detective Lake whether Defendant was the person she saw in her house. D.M. responded: I have no clue. From what I remember, I just remember seeing this figure that was .... more of like the skinnier tone build, and some mask on ... I don't know if it was covering his mouth, his nose, or below his mouth and nose. Ijust remember he was white, but I didn't know how he was white. Ijust knew he was. And ... I knew he looked at me because of the bushy eyebrows.

So DM said "I have no clue" about BK. That's very unsettling. She did not recognize him from a photo. While you could say that was due to his disguise, she saw him moving, i.e. his gait and she heard his voice. Did she recognize either? IDK.

Actually IGG DOES lead to a specific individual. They narrow it down from the family group.

 

[LinasK]

IGGAB

IGG starts by matching crime scene DNA with genetic databases to find potential relatives. By piecing together family trees, investigators can zoom in on a specific family group or lineage. But it doesn't point to one person right away. They still need to dig through multiple records to uncover the exact match within the family group.

And they do that. They narrow the IGG down and rule out other family members.

 

[LinasK]

It seems to me that you are describing some of the first steps in the process, but omitting the final step.

It’s called “investigative” because it’s an ongoing process of winnowing down the family tree until there is only one remaining person who is a perfect match.

Anyone who’s watched any shows like Dateline or countless others has seen experts, like CeCe Moore, describe in detail the process of elimination.

Identifying the common denominator family ancestors and then paring the tree down until only ONE individual is isolated is the essence of this time-consuming but vital procedure.

If BK had an identical twin it would complicate matters to a degree, but he doesn’t, so it’s a moot point.

One person in several octillions is pretty convincing.

Old news anyway as the defense finally had to drop the pretense that it couldn’t be proven it was BK’s DNA on the snap.

IMO, bolstered by well-known and often-linked facts.

Thank you for explaining the process so well. IGG proved that my cousin's killer was actually him, and not his brother.

 

[LinasK]

Exactly and sometimes, even with careful work, the match they think is right can be wrong.

Cite one example when an IGG match has been proven wrong.

 

[Boxer]

So by that reasoning, were there 2 men, or one that took their clothes off or one that was naked with a black mask? And how many wearing shoes that got enough blood for the amino black to work?

Are there any reports of what time BF saw the naked man? Why did she come upstairs? So many questions. Did she really discover the deceased roommates like the article says? Or was it HJ who did the discovering?

Just thinking it through.....

BF Naked Man Daily Mail creation.

 

[jepop]

And again, what is one to glean from this 6 minute video that can be of help in identifying BK as the killer in the house?? Nothing. DM heard a male voice saying something to the effect of "it's okay, i'm going to help you". Nothing more. Hardly enough of a voice sample to learn much from, to pick up cadence and accent, imo, especially considering that he surely wasn't talking loudly, as he had not yet completed his murder spree. Just another attempt to discredit DM. JMO

Yes, Another nothing burger. Jmo

 

[LinasK]

Yes, Another nothing burger. Jmo

If anything, if BK does have a Philly accent, it'd make him more identifiable on the West Coast. That'd be very distinctive! Idaho isn't the Mid-West.

 

[jepop]

If DM said BK is the person she saw, how does that advance the case against BK? If anything it opens HER up to 'how can you be so sure?'

The case of BK doesn't even come down to this.

JMO

Yes. As I see it, DM simply told the truth as she remembered. Nothing more, nothing less. So, so not an issue.

Wishing her strength and support at trial, especially during cross. One thing for sure, her not being able to make a positive ID speaks to her credibility IMO. Given the circumstances and BK's get up, that makes perfect sense ( as had been pointed out countless times by posters here).

 

[Arkay]

I don’t know, but if it were true that BF saw a naked man running inside the house, would she tell DM to run over to BF’s room?????? (According to their texts).

I’d think she’d be hysterical and tell DM “lock your door and don’t come out, there’s a naked man inside.”

JMO

 

[jepop]

BF Naked Man Daily Mail creation.

Yes indeed. Also if I can bother looking through old threads to where affidavit by Bitoni, BF's attorney, was discussed and posted, I clearly recall there was nada, zilch in that about a naked man either. This is jmo whilst finding the links.

 

[mickey2942]

Yes. As I see it, DM simply told the truth as she remembered. Nothing more, nothing less. So, so not an issue.

Wishing her strength and support at trial, especially during cross. One thing for sure, her not being able to make a positive ID speaks to her credibility IMO. Given the circumstances and BK's get up, that makes perfect sense ( as had been pointed out countless times by posters here).

It is pretty tragic how victims who testify, end up being wrecked by zealous defense attorneys. I have personally experienced this. And have decided to never, ever put myself in that position again. It wasn't worth it for me.

Pretty sad statement on the effects of testifying in a case as a victim. Just like this witness, I did nothing but be in the wrong place, at the wrong time.