4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

[jepop]

Agent Imel preferred 2011-13.

Franks Order
Page 18:

What the email chain shows is that, on November 26, 2022, Agent Imel directed the FBI to "open up" their search to "2011-2016." Exh. D9 at Bates 15580. In doing so, he discussed the changes to the Hyundai Elantra in 2014 and 2017 and stated that he wanted a "better shot ofthe vehicle's front fog lights and rear reflectors." He further added, "rather not leave anything out better safe than sorry." Five minutes later he sent another email stating "yea I see the change in 2014 and [I'm] not really a fan of the 2014 much prefer the 2011 2013 but wanted to lay that out have a good night. Will keep looking and send any new info I can come up with." Jd.

These emails demonstrate that it was Agent Imel's decision to open the date range to 2011-2016, despite his "prefer[ence]" for 2011-2013. Exhibit A accurately captures this decision by stating that the specialist initially believed it was a 2011-2013 but opened it up to 2011-2016 upon further review. While Exhibit A did not call out that Agent Imel preferred narrower time frame, Defendant has not shown this omission to be exculpatory and material. Exhibit A is replete with evidence linking Defendant's vehicle and cell phone to Suspect Vehicle 1. Considered as a whole, it cannot be reasonably concluded that Agent Imel's "preference" for a narrower date range would have derailed the magistrate's finding of probable cause had it been included.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/021925-Order-Defedants-Moton-Franks-Hearing.pdf

SAIs extension of the year range was Nov 26th. Why were they not, internally, looking for the expanded range? Why did the Nov 29th WSU discovery not become known until after Dec 19th?

SAI Stating he wanted a better shot of the fog lights and rear reflectors.

The recent 1112 images on Queen do not show fog lights nor rear reflectors IMO.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-Defense-Motion-inLimine-12-RE-Make-Model-Suspect-Vehicle.pdf

BP listed the main images in testimony:
So the first one was from 1112 King Road. It was a surveillance camera, an exterior surveillance camera on a house that was immediately to the northeast of 1122 King Road. There was some footage from a Linda Lane camera, I forget the address off the top of my head. There was footage from the A&W, which is at the corner of Lauder and South Main, or Highway 95. There was footage from an address on Indian Hills. There was also footage from a Ridge Road camera. And that's how we referred to them was basically by those names.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022125-Transcript-Redacted-hearing-held-Jan23-2025.pdf

Which one, if any, showed fog lights and reflectors?
Maybe the 451 Paradise stills or screenshots from Ridge Road ?

MIL car ID
Email Nov 23
View attachment 569425
There is no continuous footage linking the vehicle at the 1112 King road footage and that from Ridge road. Additional surveillance footage depicts vehicles, but not identifiable vehicles.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-Defense-Motion-inLimine-12-RE-Make-Model-Suspect-Vehicle.pdf

JMO

That all sounds right and yep it's in the docs. Haven't read defenses MILs in detail yet though so thanks for the heads up.

As for Franks order, nothing in it raises issues for me. Looking forward to testimony of the experts at trial. In the interim I'm not in any position to know the full story behind Imel's work and LE decisions. Clearly Hippler did not find the way the car was identified and that part of the investigation meeting anywhere near the threshold for some sort of deception worthy of a Franks Hearing. He found no issue infact imo. BP was called to testify within that context. I feel at trial the car identification will be represented in appropriate detail by Imel I would think. Just a guess.


Until then am refraining from analysing piecemeal and constrained testimony at pre trial hearings.

Jmo

 

[Megnut]

Asked and answered, but still it's a question to continue to bring forward --

If, on those previous twelve trips to Moscow, BK was driving, shopping, shopping but not stopping, driving but not "over there", how is it that he drove directly to 1122 once he'd committed toward Moscow? All four loops fell within sightline of (and access to) 1122.

Impossible that he just happened upon 1122 that night/morning. He drove right to it. And circled back. Again and again.

Conclusion: he'd been there before.

It was his terminal destination.

JMO

 

[mickey2942]

No restraints? No handcuffs or ankle shackles? I would also have a couple of armed guards, and maybe BK behind glass or bars.

LOL. I am picturing BK suited up like "Hanibal Lecture".

 

[arielilane]

Cellphone records showed his phone pinged near the victims' King Rd home at least 12 times between June and Nov. 2022, mainly at night or early morning, according to the PCA.

And what about the times he may have driven by King Rd. without cellular service on?

He was a madman on a mission. Unfortunately, he completed what he set out to do.
Did he kill more people than he originally premeditated he'd kill?

Going back to fall 2024, attorney AT stating the defense firmly believes in BK's innocence.

Yet, she’s not been sitting next (maybe one or two times) with her client since earlier hearings. Did his stares get to her…. Is she frightened of him? His stares are unsettling.

BK also commands control.
It's interesting to see how BK sits there showing no emotions. Almost frozen in time.

moo

 

[arielilane]

I am so impressed with the victims' families extraordinary strength and composure. Such grace!

Chapin family reacts to ruling in Bryan Kohberger hearing | FOX 13 Seattle​

Chapin family reacts to ruling in Bryan Kohberger hearing

Ethan Chapin's mother, Stacy, opens up about the family's struggle to move forward after the tragic loss of Ethan and three other University of Idaho students.

www.fox13seattle.com

Ethan Chapin's mother, Stacy, opens up about the family's struggle to move forward after the tragic loss of Ethan and three other University of Idaho students.

 

[INfisherman]

Cellphone records showed his phone pinged near the victims' King Rd home at least 12 times between June and Nov. 2022, mainly at night or early morning, according to the PCA.

And what about the times he may have driven by King Rd. without cellular service on?

He was a madman on a mission. Unfortunately, he completed what he set out to do.
Did he kill more people than he originally premeditated he'd kill?

Going back to fall 2024, attorney AT stating the defense firmly believes in BK's innocence.

Yet, she’s not been sitting next (maybe one or two times) with her client since earlier hearings. Did his stares get to her…. Is she frightened of him? His stares are unsettling.

BK also commands control.
It's interesting to see how BK sits there showing no emotions. Almost frozen in time.

moo

Wait until he gets to see his best friend again, Mr. KA-BAR. I bet his eyes light up.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Asked and answered, but still it's a question to continue to bring forward --

If, on those previous twelve trips to Moscow, BK was driving, shopping, shopping but not stopping, driving but not "over there", how is it that he drove directly to 1122 once he'd committed toward Moscow? All four loops fell within sightline of (and access to) 1122.

Impossible that he just happened upon 1122 that night/morning. He drove right to it. And circled back. Again and again.

Conclusion: he'd been there before.

It was his terminal destination.

JMO

Right, and those pervious 12 trip were stated as having occurred very late at night or early morning. Not a lot of stores open at that time which leads me to believe BK wasn't out doing his shopping, I believe he was out creeping during those outings.


JMO

 

[pseudo_hum]

Right, and those pervious 12 trip were stated as having occurred very late at night or early morning. Not a lot of stores open at that time which leads me to believe BK wasn't out doing his shopping, I believe he was out creeping during those outings.


JMO

Oh, he was window shopping alright at 1122. IMO

 

[arielilane]

• CR01-24-31665 Ada State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger

• NewOrder Sealing Exhibit A to Defendants 7th Motion to Compel
• NewDefendants Motion for Leave to File Responses to the States Amended Expert Disclosures
• NewDefendants Seventh Motion to Compel Discovery
• NewMotion to Modify No Contact Order
• NewMotion to Seal Exhibit A to Defendants 7th Motion to Compel

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger

JUDGE
Hippler, Steven


COUNTY
Boise, Ada, Elmore, Valley

COURT
District

DISTRICT
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YOUTUBE CHANNEL
Watch

 

[MassGuy]

Asked and answered, but still it's a question to continue to bring forward --

If, on those previous twelve trips to Moscow, BK was driving, shopping, shopping but not stopping, driving but not "over there", how is it that he drove directly to 1122 once he'd committed toward Moscow? All four loops fell within sightline of (and access to) 1122.

Impossible that he just happened upon 1122 that night/morning. He drove right to it. And circled back. Again and again.

Conclusion: he'd been there before.

It was his terminal destination.

JMO

It's the timing of those trips that many people forget about. They were late night/early morning, consistent with the the timing of the murders.

There was no shopping at those times.

 

[Megnut]

It's the timing of those trips that many people forget about. They were late night/early morning, consistent with the the timing of the murders.

There was no shopping at those times.

Well, exactly.

IMO were not talking about 10pm and 7am.

Middle of the night forays.

AT doesn't like the word 'stalking' so I'll polish it up for her -- reconnaissance.

JMO

 

[wendy44]

So they know the DNA owner?

We don't know. All we know is that there were at least 4 or 5 people tested who came up as inconclusive and that BK's defense team says they did their own independent testing and that he came up as excluded. So we know the DNA pulled from MM was tested against multiple people and that it was available to the defense to conduct their own independent testing.
JMO

 

[Gigiky]

LOL. I am picturing BK suited up like "Hanibal Lecture".

Same! Lol.

 

[Gigiky]

Well, exactly.

IMO were not talking about 10pm and 7am.

Middle of the night forays.

AT doesn't like the word 'stalking' so I'll polish it up for her -- reconnaissance.

JMO

O Wow! Exactly!!!!!!!!

 

[SteveP]

LOL. I am picturing BK suited up like "Hanibal Lecture".

Well, fava beans would fit perfectly with his vegan dinner, but I don't see a nice chianti anywhere in his foreseeable future.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

I don't see any tela


So, let's say that they manage to find 12 of the most gracious people in Idaho for BK's jury. And they believe every word AT says. And BK is found "Not Guilty".

Then what? He just leaves the courtroom. That is some scary stuff right there.

Don’t forget OJ, and Casey Anthony.

As before, I'm still catching up so this may well be mentioned further down, but IMO if BK was by some twist found NG, then I absolutely believe he will kill again. He has the knowledge of everything he did wrong this time, Im positive that he would want to try and get it right next time, I honestly don't believe he could help himself.

 

[SteveP]

As before, I'm still catching up so this may well be mentioned further down, but IMO if BK was by some twist found NG, then I absolutely believe he will kill again. He has the knowledge of everything he did wrong this time, Im positive that he would want to try and get it right next time, I honestly don't believe he could help himself.

I know that the OP was just pondering a hypothetical question, but I cannot fathom any seated jury finding BK not guilty. just based strictly on what we already know, and there has to be so much more evidence, based on some of the motions that are currently being filed. I honestly cannot even imagine a hung jury. This case seems to be about as cut and dried as any I have followed in quite a while. If the eventual jury is less than unanimous on anything, I believe it would be the imposition of a death penalty after conviction, and I do see that as a possibility. JMO

 

[Boxer]

Agent Imel preferred 2011-13.

Franks Order
Page 18:

What the email chain shows is that, on November 26, 2022, Agent Imel directed the FBI to "open up" their search to "2011-2016." Exh. D9 at Bates 15580. In doing so, he discussed the changes to the Hyundai Elantra in 2014 and 2017 and stated that he wanted a "better shot ofthe vehicle's front fog lights and rear reflectors." He further added, "rather not leave anything out better safe than sorry." Five minutes later he sent another email stating "yea I see the change in 2014 and [I'm] not really a fan of the 2014 much prefer the 2011 2013 but wanted to lay that out have a good night. Will keep looking and send any new info I can come up with." Jd.

These emails demonstrate that it was Agent Imel's decision to open the date range to 2011-2016, despite his "prefer[ence]" for 2011-2013. Exhibit A accurately captures this decision by stating that the specialist initially believed it was a 2011-2013 but opened it up to 2011-2016 upon further review. While Exhibit A did not call out that Agent Imel preferred narrower time frame, Defendant has not shown this omission to be exculpatory and material. Exhibit A is replete with evidence linking Defendant's vehicle and cell phone to Suspect Vehicle 1. Considered as a whole, it cannot be reasonably concluded that Agent Imel's "preference" for a narrower date range would have derailed the magistrate's finding of probable cause had it been included.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/021925-Order-Defedants-Moton-Franks-Hearing.pdf

SAIs extension of the year range was Nov 26th. Why were they not, internally, looking for the expanded range? Why did the Nov 29th WSU discovery not become known until after Dec 19th?

SAI Stating he wanted a better shot of the fog lights and rear reflectors.

The recent 1112 images on Queen do not show fog lights nor rear reflectors IMO.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-Defense-Motion-inLimine-12-RE-Make-Model-Suspect-Vehicle.pdf

BP listed the main images in testimony:
So the first one was from 1112 King Road. It was a surveillance camera, an exterior surveillance camera on a house that was immediately to the northeast of 1122 King Road. There was some footage from a Linda Lane camera, I forget the address off the top of my head. There was footage from the A&W, which is at the corner of Lauder and South Main, or Highway 95. There was footage from an address on Indian Hills. There was also footage from a Ridge Road camera. And that's how we referred to them was basically by those names.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022125-Transcript-Redacted-hearing-held-Jan23-2025.pdf

Which one, if any, showed fog lights and reflectors?
Maybe the 451 Paradise stills or screenshots from Ridge Road ?

MIL car ID
Email Nov 23
View attachment 569425
There is no continuous footage linking the vehicle at the 1112 King road footage and that from Ridge road. Additional surveillance footage depicts vehicles, but not identifiable vehicles.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-Defense-Motion-inLimine-12-RE-Make-Model-Suspect-Vehicle.pdf

JMO

Nov 26 - Elantra years expanded within LE.

Nov 29 - Kohbergers Elantra noted parked at his WSU apartment by WSU police and researched.

Dec 7 - Public appeal for 2011-13 Elantras saying people in the vehicle may have witnessed something important.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Rsbm....." Five minutes later he sent another email stating "yea I see the change in 2014 and [I'm] not really a fan of the 2014 much prefer the 2011 2013 but wanted to lay that out have a good night. Will keep looking and send any new info I can come up with." Jd.

These emails demonstrate that it was Agent Imel's decision to open the date range to 2011-2016, despite his "prefer[ence]" for 2011-2013. Exhibit A accurately captures this decision by stating that the specialist initially believed it was a 2011-2013 but opened it up to 2011-2016 upon further review. While Exhibit A did not call out that Agent Imel preferred narrower time frame, Defendant has not shown this omission to be exculpatory and material. Rsbm

It occurs to me that the statement "not really a fan of the 2014 much prefer the 2011 2013" was simply a statement of personal preference to the car style, not a preference for what he thought the vehicle was. He stated he could see the difference. In that case, if it were a personal opinion, no need to call it out. When I work and send emails, I often give personal opinions on things. Work would be dry as a bone without it.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

Rylene Nowlin MIL:
View attachment 568635

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-Defense-Motion-inLimine-6-RE-Rylene-Nowlin-Reference-Touch-Contact-DNA.pdf

That reads like smoke and mirrors to me, it doesn't specifically say there's male blood, it just says that there's blood and it's not BK's!.