4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

[jepop]

Agreed
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[Cool Cats]

Agreed
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HA ... Thanks

 

[fcavanaugh]

No. That is what was written in the PCA but in the Jan. 23-24 hearings, it came out that that was false. DM specifically said the man she saw was her height 5'7" or taller. Please go back to Ashley Jennings who explained all of this at the Jan 23-24 hearing.

According to Ashley Jennings DM is 5'7". AJ could be wrong for all I know, but that is what she stated in court.

Whether DM is 5’7”, 5’9”, or 5’10” (I’ve seen all three reported as her height and assume one of them is accurate), I really don’t see an issue with her description. IOW, 6’ (BK’s height) makes sense with her “or taller” statement i.e., 6’ is taller than 5’7”-5’10”.

At any rate, she was trying to recall and describe someone she saw in an instant after the fact of a traumatic event having lost 3 of her roommates/friends and one of their boyfriend’s in an absolute horrific brutal manner. Considering the context of the circumstances, I’m sure she did the best she could after such a harrowing experience.
My God I cannot even imagine and will not judge her (or BF).

DM is a victim and also one brave young lady, I admire and applaud her.

IMHOO

 

[SteveP]

Whether DM is 5’7”, 5’9”, or 5’10” (I’ve seen all three reported as her height and assume one of them is accurate), I really don’t see an issue with her description. IOW, 6’ (BK’s height) makes sense with her “or taller” statement i.e., 6’ is taller than 5’7”-5’10”.

At any rate, she was trying to recall and describe someone she saw in an instant after the fact of a traumatic event having lost 3 of her roommates/friends and one of their boyfriend’s in an absolute horrific brutal manner. Considering the context of the circumstances, I’m sure she did the best she could after such a harrowing experience.
My God I cannot even imagine and will not judge her (or BF).

DM is a victim and also one brave young lady, I admire and applaud her.

IMHOO

Her description of BK, based on a very brief look at a mostly covered murderer was a surprising good ID, height, a bit taller than her, bushy eyebrows, athletic, but not muscular...know what an even better ID of BK was? His DNA on the bloody knife sheath, left in MM's bed. JMO

 

[jepop]

It's the timing of those trips that many people forget about. They were late night/early morning, consistent with the the timing of the murders.

There was no shopping at those times.

He wasn't late night/early am shopping. Laughable. Jmo

 

[Sachi]

I reflect back to the actions he took after returning to his parents Penn home at Christmas Break - having been stopped twice on the way home by LE and now 2000 miles from the mass murder in Idaho and not even at the college he went to he does shady , bizarre stuff of a person hiding something.

At one point during the four days he was surveilled by the FBI prior to his arrest, Kohberger was observed putting trash from his family’s house into neighbors’ garbage bins around 4 a.m.
"The sample of Kohberger’s father’s DNA from the trash was tested by cops and showed with more than 99% certainty he was the father of a the person who’s DNA was on a knife sheath at the crime scene, the final piece of the puzzle authorities needed for an arrest warrant, which was issed on Dec. 29.


Shop The Home Edit’s new Walmart organization collection for tidying up police source, who spoke to CNN on the condition of anonymity, also claimed that Kohberger was seen several times outside his parents’ house wearing surgical gloves and that he cleaned his car in the aftermath of the crime."
“[He] cleaned his car, inside and outside, not missing an inch,” the source said.

 

[NanZDrew]

Thirty years ago I was briefly taken as a hostage in a tiny pharmacy robbery with a gun in my back. It probably lasted 5 minutes, but I am forever traumatized by it. It makes you realize that bad things don't just happen to other people, but they can happen to you. To this day, I do not go to small pharmacies. I go to pharmacies located at the back of a large store where they will have to pass through numerous people making that robbery a higher risk. In a restaurant, I quickly scan for the farthest seat from a door, and I must have my back ro the wall where I can see everyone coming in. What I experienced was damaging to me, but I was not physically harmed. My experience was nothing compared to what these two experienced so I cannot imagine the impact on their lives forevermore.

 

[MassGuy]

I speculated a couple days ago that BK's plan was disrupted, perhaps because of phone calls made by DM. That would explain why he didn't kill her, and why he sped away from the scene.

Thinking about it more though, the more I like the idea that he was disrupted by the dog barking. Yes, it's possible that the dog started to bark as he was leaving, but I think it's more likely the dog barking was the reason for him leaving. The timing was 4:17 according to surveillance footage, which leaves 3 minutes for him to change out of his bloody clothing, walk to his car, put his stuff in the car, and drive away.

That sounds about right to me.

 

[Boxer]

I don't suppose you have a link? Just because I cannot remember where I might have seen that she was taller than average. If not, no problem. Its for my own use.

Well Google AI had it but I can't make it come up again. But here is a group photo, Ethan is 6'4"
She reported seeing a man 5'10" or taller.

'People could be charged': Social media rumors about Moscow case leading to doxxing, harassment

From the moment the Vandal Alert went out four weeks ago telling the University of Idaho community four students had been killed, rumors began swirling.

www.spokesman.com

 

[jepop]

Well Google AI had it but I can't make it come up again. But here is a group photo, Ethan is 6'4"
She reported seeing a man 5'10" or taller.

'People could be charged': Social media rumors about Moscow case leading to doxxing, harassment

From the moment the Vandal Alert went out four weeks ago telling the University of Idaho community four students had been killed, rumors began swirling.

www.spokesman.com

She's definately on the tall side. Imo this is so, so not an issue. Zilch.

The court found no problem with the way DM's recollections were presented in the PCA. The case moved way past this a while ago now.

Moo jurors aren't going to be interested in micro analysing DM's recollections. She describes a masked stranger ( to her) and her description does not in any way exclude BK, the prime and only suspect. Her testimony and statements to LE imo
will also very strongly support the State's timeline.

But moo speaking in court in the presence of the accused will likely be a confronting experience. I hope she is offered as much victim support as possible. Imo the best she can do is tell her truth, no matter how defense decides to approach cross examination including questioning her credibility (ugh).. I wish her strength to get through what's coming. Jmo

 

[fcavanaugh]

She's definately on the tall side. Imo this is so, so not an issue. Zilch.

The court found no problem with the way DM's recollections were presented in the PCA. The case moved way past this a while ago now.

Moo jurors aren't going to be interested in micro analysing DM's recollections. She describes a masked stranger ( to her) and her description does not in any way exclude BK, the prime and only suspect. Her testimony and statements to LE imo
will also very strongly support the State's timeline.

But moo speaking in court in the presence of the accused will likely be a confronting experience. I hope she is offered as much victim support as possible. Imo the best she can do is tell her truth, no matter how defense decides to approach cross examination including questioning her credibility (ugh).. I wish her strength to get through what's coming. Jmo

I’m right there with you @jepop, and I agree, victim support is so, so important and I too hope DM is offered lots of it.
It sends chills down my spine to imagine BK’s lifeless eyes/cold gaze staring DM down in court.

I too wish her strength for what’s coming, which is sure to be very hard and re-traumatizing.
Bless her.

IMHOO

 

[AislingGray18]

Where did I say that it was suspicious? I said they are afraid. Two completely different things. Please do not misquote me or make up things I have said.

BF went to California. Her family is in Reno. DM went home and then to a different school.

I said their behavior indicates they are afraid. How is being afraid questionable behavior considering what they endured? Again, you are attempting to change what I wrote into something it is not. Please go back and reread my post. It is very sympathetic towards BF and DM. Why try to turn something nice I've said about them into something bad? I don't understand your motivation here?

Ummm...It is a BIG deal to do that. The cost would be around $28,494 per semester. So total of $56,988 to retake classes. That is as much as some people make in a year. So don't act like it's no big deal to change schools. They also lost their places in their sororities and would have to pay to go through rush again which is also very expensive $4,000 - $8,500 plus $15,000 for the first year. The motivation to do all of this had to be that they are scared. I can't blame them.

I'm certain that their sororities would have helped to protect them. They would have walked them to class, made sure they weren't alone, etc...and they would have been with friends who they had known from before as opposed to going to a new school and having to start over making friends.

BK was arrested in December 2022. If they were confident he did this, I don't see any reason they should not have continued school with their friends and saved themselves from the expense and trouble of having to retake a bunch of classes unless they are afraid for some reason.

Neither survivor was from Moscow. They went home. To their families and community. Their support system. Parents,siblings, family, lifelong friends, possibly church, people, places and things that they would need. I would never return to the town either. They. Went. Home.

Scared or not scared. They went home.

And their sorority and other friends, you really should not be speaking for them, what you are sure they would do...it really is not our business. Both ladies chose to not return.

With all respect, please rethink your wording here. These ladies are victims and deserve respect, none of this is relevant.

Why is them missing credits, moving schools, and any cost that may or may not incur them, bothering you so much? Regardless of the cost-that you do not bear, regardless of how much :some people make in a year" None of which is your business, nor does it cause any change in your personal life.

 

[Balthazar]

Whether DM is 5’7”, 5’9”, or 5’10” (I’ve seen all three reported as her height and assume one of them is accurate), I really don’t see an issue with her description. IOW, 6’ (BK’s height) makes sense with her “or taller” statement i.e., 6’ is taller than 5’7”-5’10”.

At any rate, she was trying to recall and describe someone she saw in an instant after the fact of a traumatic event having lost 3 of her roommates/friends and one of their boyfriend’s in an absolute horrific brutal manner. Considering the context of the circumstances, I’m sure she did the best she could after such a harrowing experience.
My God I cannot even imagine and will not judge her (or BF).

DM is a victim and also one brave young lady, I admire and applaud her.

IMHOO

I think you are confused due to other posters putting all manner false assumptions here and muddying the waters. My post was originally about how DM and BF must feel given that DM doesn't recognize BK. These two women were friends and I would think that they have talked since Nov. 13, 2022. I don't know when BF found out DM doesn't recognize BK but it may have been shortly after BK's arrest. If that happened, I would think these women would be scared because DM allegedly saw the man, but she doesn't recognize BK as the man she saw which would likely make them think the man DM saw is still out there. That's my point. They both are acting like they are afraid to go to or be in Moscow and have even changed schools at significant financial and personal cost to themselves and their families. If they are not certain BK is the one, who could blame them for being afraid and not wanting to return to Moscow? Certainly not me.

 

[LinasK]

Neither survivor was from Moscow. They went home. To their families and community. Their support system. Parents,siblings, family, lifelong friends, possibly church, people, places and things that they would need. I would never return to the town either. They. Went. Home.

Scared or not scared. They went home.

And their sorority and other friends, you really should not be speaking for them, what you are sure they would do...it really is not our business. Both ladies chose to not return.

With all respect, please rethink your wording here. These ladies are victims and deserve respect, none of this is relevant.

Why is them missing credits, moving schools, and any cost that may or may not incur them, bothering you so much? Regardless of the cost-that you do not bear, regardless of how much :some people make in a year" None of which is your business, nor does it cause any change in your personal life.

Bingo! The trauma of knowing that 4 of my roommates were murdered and I may have seen the murderer and escaped with my life would easily outweigh any inconvenience of moving away from the area and the cost of changing schools and losing credits. I wouldn't think that my sorority sisters-even in a new home could keep me safe. I'd feel this way whether or not I wasn't sure that BK was the killer and behind bars.

 

[Boxer]

DM had details of what she saw.
Thats it, trying to say she could identify the intruder is just a technique by the defense of putting something out just so they can knock it down.

 

[Balthazar]

I do not agree. As an adult I would of moved. They got him and that why AT grasping at anything.GUILTY

My post has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with AT or the defense case. I'm simply observing these women moved away and stayed away despite the fact that BK was arrested and I think the reason is because they are/were scared. In light of the fact DM couldn't recognize/identify BK, I would think they were both scared that the man DM saw was still free.

 

[AislingGray18]

My post has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with AT or the defense case. I'm simply observing these women moved away and stayed away despite the fact that BK was arrested and I think the reason is because they are/were scared. In light of the fact DM couldn't recognize/identify BK, I would think they were both scared that the man DM saw was still free.

Yes we can all agree they were probably scared, can we please move on from this?

 

[MassGuy]

I think you are confused due to other posters putting all manner false assumptions here and muddying the waters. My post was originally about how DM and BF must feel given that DM doesn't recognize BK. These two women were friends and I would think that they have talked since Nov. 13, 2022. I don't know when BF found out DM doesn't recognize BK but it may have been shortly after BK's arrest. If that happened, I would think these women would be scared because DM allegedly saw the man, but she doesn't recognize BK as the man she saw which would likely make them think the man DM saw is still out there. That's my point. They both are acting like they are afraid to go to or be in Moscow and have even changed schools at significant financial and personal cost to themselves and their families. If they are not certain BK is the one, who could blame them for being afraid and not wanting to return to Moscow? Certainly not me.

When I read the AA, it was clear that there was no way she would be able to identify BK; she saw a moving man's masked face in the dark. So when we later heard that DM could not in fact identify BK from photos, <modsnip>

Because there was no way in hell she would have been able to do that.

That does not matter at all here. What matters is she saw a man consistent with BK, and it solidifies the close of the timeline.

The car was seen arriving at around 2:05, he would probably have entered at around 2:07 or so, committed the murders, and left at around 2:17, which is supported by the dog barking and those text messages minutes later. Then the white car is seen speeding away at around 2:20.

The DNA on the sheath tells us who the man she saw was. And if anyone says "well touch DNA can easily be transferred," all one has to do is laugh, and say:

Kohberger was driving the same make, model, and color car they were looking for.
He happened to go out for a drive in the dead of night, at a time totally consistent with him being the killer.
His phone damningly goes dark for a two hour period, to include the entirety of the murder window.
He's seen returning to his apartment at a time consistent with him being the killer.

His alibi is non existent, in that every single thing he did he would have to do if he was the killer.
A killer that DM saw.

 

[Balthazar]

DM had details of what she saw.
Thats it, trying to say she could identify the intruder is just a technique by the defense of putting something out just so they can knock it down.

LE said that DM looked up BK's photo as soon as she heard he was arrested and she told LE that she didn't recognize him. BTW, this information came from Ashley Jennings - the prosecutor, not AT. This was in the Jan 23 hearing. <modsnip>

 

[MassGuy]

My post has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with AT or the defense case. I'm simply observing these women moved away and stayed away despite the fact that BK was arrested and I think the reason is because they are/were scared. In light of the fact DM couldn't recognize/identify BK, I would think they were both scared that the man DM saw was still free.

You're taking completely normal behavior, something that almost everyone in this situation would do, and then creating some false narrative that these two victims bizarrely believe they got the wrong guy, because the witness who saw his eyes couldn't pick him out of a lineup.

That works on no level.