4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

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Hypothetically, I suppose the defense could prove any shopping expeditions with BK's financials ie bank records, debit card receipts?. But ofcourse it might be argued BK paid cash, lol.

Then maybe defense could pull records of ATM withdrawals, but if they don't match the right times that may be less than useful. A pattern of paying by cash would need to be established imo and State might be able to produce evidence to counter that. Maybe BK is all old school and withdraws a wad of cash for his weekly or fortnightly shopping needs including semi regular 2am visits to Winco in Moscow.... ( Speculation).

Idk, whatever way one approaches it, the shopping angle looks weak to me. Trial should be interesting anyway. Hypothetically if defense was to introduce middle of the night shopping into the equation, I guess BK may have to testify if his defense can't produce receipts. So jmo I have a feeling this may not be part of the strategy. But who knows. Moo
And didn't AT insist that BK did a lot of driving in Moscow, just not "over there" and also with no stopping. So he wasn't shopping...

I wager that he was, some of the time, driving "over there".

jmo
 
That's why I was mentioning Winco specifically.
I believe it was @MassGuy who noted earlier in the thread that the State has, and intends to use, several items including BK receipts from Winco (which obviously will have timestamps) as well as videosurveillance footage of the victims at Winco.
So clearly the State thinks Winco is relevant.
I don’t know if Winco has external cameras that show Pullman Rd/Hwy 8, but it is far enough West in Moscow that pretty much all traffic from Moscow to Pullman is funneled past it. The Walmart super center is a little further west, though, and a Buffalo Wild Wings partially blocking the line of sight. Just a thought.
 
I don’t know if Winco has external cameras that show Pullman Rd/Hwy 8, but it is far enough West in Moscow that pretty much all traffic from Moscow to Pullman is funneled past it. The Walmart super center is a little further west, though, and a Buffalo Wild Wings partially blocking the line of sight. Just a thought.
If one pulls up 1700 Pullman Rd, the address of the WinCo in Moscow, on Google Maps, and goes to street view, there are clearly two wide angle dome type cameras mounted on the front of the building, one on the far left corner, where WinCo and Michaels are attached, and one on the far right corner, which likely shows Farm Rd and maybe parts of Pullman Rd,/Hwy 8. There also appear to be two other cameras, one beside each dome camera, that appear to be pointed directly towards the parking lot. I did not walk around the building, but I bet there are similar cams on the back as well.

ETA...I went back and looked at the back of the store, and I did see one more dome camera on the upper corner, farthest from the street.
 
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If one pulls up 1700 Pullman Rd, the address of the WinCo in Moscow, on Google Maps, and goes to street view, there are clearly two wide angle dome type cameras mounted on the front of the building, one on the far left corner, where WinCo and Michaels are attached, and one on the far right corner, which likely shows Farm Rd and maybe parts of Pullman Rd,/Hwy 8. There also appear to be two other cameras, one beside each dome camera, that appear to be pointed directly towards the parking lot. I did not walk around the building, but I bet there are similar cams on the back as well.

ETA...I went back and looked at the back of the store, and I did see one more dome camera on the upper corner, farthest from the street.
Yes. Maybe since the Elantra came into their frame early, they were able to collect a lot of relevant camera video.
Most people would not erase their security camera footage for Nov 12-13 no matter where around Moscow they lived untill the jury said Guilty.
 
If one pulls up 1700 Pullman Rd, the address of the WinCo in Moscow, on Google Maps, and goes to street view, there are clearly two wide angle dome type cameras mounted on the front of the building, one on the far left corner, where WinCo and Michaels are attached, and one on the far right corner, which likely shows Farm Rd and maybe parts of Pullman Rd,/Hwy 8. There also appear to be two other cameras, one beside each dome camera, that appear to be pointed directly towards the parking lot. I did not walk around the building, but I bet there are similar cams on the back as well.

ETA...I went back and looked at the back of the store, and I did see one more dome camera on the upper corner, farthest from the street.
I see what you are saying. That is a pretty narrow gap between the landscaping trees though, and WinCo is set pretty far back. Just the first thought I had. I can imagine pricing at WinCo would make it pretty attractive to college students
 
LE said that DM looked up BK's photo as soon as she heard he was arrested and she told LE that she didn't recognize him. BTW, this information came from Ashley Jennings - the prosecutor, not AT. This was in the Jan 23 hearing. <modsnip>

I'm not sure this means what you think it means, IMO.

One thought about a witness stating they don’t recognize someone might be that they mean they don’t recall seeing that person in a social setting (like around town, at work, at parties, etc.). Not necessarily that they don’t recognize them as the same person who invaded their home. Context in that case matters. What sort of credence would an investigator give a witness who claims they recognize a person wearing a mask which hid 50% or more of their face?

MOO
^^^^^ yes, this. “I don’t recognize him,” as in “I haven’t seen him around before” or “I don’t know him.”

Sometimes when we are diligently following cases, we end up parsing words in ways they weren’t meant to be parsed.
 
They simply left college and went home like I would do if my roommates were murdered in my dorm and the killer is on the loose. My mom would make me come home. Murderer was still out there, could have come back to get rid of them, get rid of the 2 witnessess

Neither survivor was from Moscow. They went home. To their families and community. Their support system. Parents,siblings, family, lifelong friends, possibly church, people, places and things that they would need. I would never return to the town either. They. Went. Home.

mean…I probably wouldn’t have even gone back to college ANYWHERE yet if I were those girls. I’d be catatonic in my childhood bedroom. If they’ve been able to do much of anything I’m impressed
Yes, yes, yes.

I was 20 when I graduated with a B.A. and already engaged to be married.

Had I survived a quadruple murder of my friends, taking place right above my head, my mother and my father and my fiancé and my sister and all my friends would have been on their way immediately to remove me.

Regardless if the murderer were caught or as yet uncaught. No one who loved me would want or expect me to stick around.

I would need therapy, I would need my family, I would need my fiancé, I would need the comfort of my own home.

If going home after this excruciating ordeal meant grad school would be delayed, then so be it.

Departing from the scene of mayhem and having to lose some credits if I were still an undergrad would be at the bottom of my list for awhile, and I am someone who firmly believes in higher education.

Exactly none of this would imply that I didn’t believe the right suspect was in custody. It would mean instead that I needed to mourn my friends, deal with the trauma, and find a way to feel safe again.

JMO

ETA @NanZDrew I am so sorry this happened to you. I, too, have to sit with my back to the wall, for reasons, and it is so inculcated in me by now I couldn’t sit elsewhere. I hope you have peace.
 
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^^^^^ yes, this. “I don’t recognize him,” as in “I haven’t seen him around before” or “I don’t know him.”

Sometimes when we are diligently following cases, we end up parsing words in ways they weren’t meant to be parsed.
DM was responding to a question about the man she saw in her house:

Franks Order
D.M. was shown Defendant's mug shot and asked by Detective Lake whether Defendant was the person she saw in her house. D.M. responded: I have no clue. From what I remember, I just remember seeing this figure that was .... more of like the skinnier tone build, and some mask on ... I don't know if it was covering his mouth, his nose, or below his mouth and nose. I just remember he was white, but I didn't know how he was white. I just knew he was. And ... I knew he looked at me because of the bushy eyebrows.

 
DM was responding to a question about the man she saw in her house:

Franks Order
D.M. was shown Defendant's mug shot and asked by Detective Lake whether Defendant was the person she saw in her house. D.M. responded: I have no clue. From what I remember, I just remember seeing this figure that was .... more of like the skinnier tone build, and some mask on ... I don't know if it was covering his mouth, his nose, or below his mouth and nose. I just remember he was white, but I didn't know how he was white. I just knew he was. And ... I knew he looked at me because of the bushy eyebrows.

Honest answer.
 
Honest answer.
...and an honest answer that would not exclude BK from possibly being the man she saw, in any way. Skinnier tone build, check. White, check. Bushy eyebrows, check for now, probably non-existent by trial. And before anyone comes back with, "yeah, but that description could match x number of other people who may have been in Moscow that night", I would just say, "Agreed, but how many of them drove a white Hyundai Elantra, like the one seen circling the area of King Rd multiple times before stopping there and speeding away some 20 minutes later, exactly in the time frame of the murders? How many admitted they were out and about in Moscow during that time frame? How many of them have cell phones that were on shortly before and after, but mysteriously off during the murder window? How many of them fled across the country and wore gloves, even in their family's home, and who bagged their personal trash and placed it in a neighbor's bin, to try to avoid identification. Oh, and how many of them left their DNA on a knife sheath found in the bed with a victim who was stabbed to death"? Right, none.
 
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...and an honest answer that would not exclude BK from possibly being the man she saw, in any way. Skinnier tone build, check. White, check. Bushy eyebrows, check for now, probably non-existent by trial. And before anyone comes back with, "yeah, but that description could match x number of other people who may have been in Moscow that night", I would just say, "Agreed, but how many of them drove a white Hyundai Elantra, like the one seen circling the area of King Rd multiple times before stopping there and speeding away some 20 minutes later, exactly in the time frame of the murders? How many admitted they were out and about in Moscow during that time frame? How many of them have cell phones that were on shortly before and after, but mysteriously off during the murder window? How many of them fled across the country and wore gloves, even in their family's home, and who bagged their personal trash and placed it in a neighbor's bin, to try to avoid identification. Oh, and how many of them left their DNA on a knife sheath found in the bed with a victim who was stabbed to death"? Right, none.
this.
 
And didn't AT insist that BK did a lot of driving in Moscow, just not "over there" and also with no stopping. So he wasn't shopping...

I wager that he was, some of the time, driving "over there".

jmo
Yep. Now it's "did not stop".

IMO another reason for using this language is that LE likely has Wifi and/or Bluetooth handshake data on a smart speaker inside of the home (iirc). As reported earlier (as blueooth) and sort-of-kind-of corroborated by KG's Dad (as Wifi). Meaning that BKs phone(s) left a tiny little data packet behind, unbeknownst to him, if true.

I'd imagine, IMO, where going to be hearing testimony about the distance and range of Wifi 5/6 and/or BLE. The defense will likely try to claim it happened as a result of driving by the house.

MOO
 
Yes, yes, yes.

I was 20 when I graduated with a B.A. and already engaged to be married.

Had I survived a quadruple murder of my friends, taking place right above my head, my mother and my father and my fiancé and my sister and all my friends would have been on their way immediately to remove me.

Regardless if the murderer were caught or as yet uncaught. No one who loved me would want or expect me to stick around.

I would need therapy, I would need my family, I would need my fiancé, I would need the comfort of my own home.

If going home after this excruciating ordeal meant grad school would be delayed, then so be it.

Departing from the scene of mayhem and having to lose some credits if I were still an undergrad would be at the bottom of my list for awhile, and I am someone who firmly believes in higher education.

Exactly none of this would imply that I didn’t believe the right suspect was in custody. It would mean instead that I needed to mourn my friends, deal with the trauma, and find a way to feel safe again.

JMO

ETA @NanZDrew I am so sorry this happened to you. I, too, have to sit with my back to the wall, for reasons, and it is so inculcated in me by now I couldn’t sit elsewhere. I hope you have peace.
As a Mother....All of this!!!!!!!! Absolutely!!!
 
DM was responding to a question about the man she saw in her house:

Franks Order
D.M. was shown Defendant's mug shot and asked by Detective Lake whether Defendant was the person she saw in her house. D.M. responded: I have no clue. From what I remember, I just remember seeing this figure that was .... more of like the skinnier tone build, and some mask on ... I don't know if it was covering his mouth, his nose, or below his mouth and nose. I just remember he was white, but I didn't know how he was white. I just knew he was. And ... I knew he looked at me because of the bushy eyebrows.

Judging by the description DM gave about what the intruder (spoiler: BK, IMO) was wearing I'd be more concerned if she was able to definitively identify BK.

It seems like his eyebrows might have been the only things that were clearly visible. Which makes total sense when you consider her focus on them.

I think these answers add to her credibility. IMO
 
March 9, 2025, posted one hour ago


Bryan Kohberger: Inside the Idaho Murders – Episode 2​


A rare interview with Ethan Chapin’s mom, as she shares her concerns about the upcoming trial and how she still manages to keep smiling. Plus: brand new information about Bryan Kohberger’s academic pursuits at DeSales University and we put you in the passenger seat as we drive the way out-of-the-way route cops claim Kohberger took the night of the murders.
After watching this I'm even more intrigued about the amount of miles he put on his car over the course of 6 or 7 months accorrding to the VIN and Carfax that's been reported as being his Elantra's.

In the 6 months prior to his trip to Pullman he put more miles on his car than he ever had in any given year. Enough to go to Pullman and back, plus some.

If his course work was remote, as stated in that video, that must have been A LOT of night driving.

MOO
 
Just a side note. I'm not really digging the new color scheme of the web page. it makes it harder to read. but I'm blind as a bat anyway even with my glasses. Lol
I’m still using the old orange one. Click on your profile name, click preferences, then select style at the top.
 
Yep. Now it's "did not stop".

IMO another reason for using this language is that LE likely has Wifi and/or Bluetooth handshake data on a smart speaker inside of the home (iirc). As reported earlier (as blueooth) and sort-of-kind-of corroborated by KG's Dad (as Wifi). Meaning that BKs phone(s) left a tiny little data packet behind, unbeknownst to him, if true.

I'd imagine, IMO, where going to be hearing testimony about the distance and range of Wifi 5/6 and/or BLE. The defense will likely try to claim it happened as a result of driving by the house.

MOO
So much for AT and her arguments about stalking. If at any one of those 12 trips to Moscow his phone reached out and touched 1122's router, and he's the prime suspect in a quadruple murder there, that's a big problem. Maybe we can't say for certain he was targeting any one victim, but it sure would raise my eyebrows. He sure seemed to know exactly where 1122 was on the night/morning of the murders, as well as having a keen awareness of the neighborhood, including routes in, out and around it.

JMO
 
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