4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #102

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  • #201
Quoting myself because I had a thought.
If that hole was closer to Pullman on a paralell to the Pullman Moscow highway, then IMO that is the trace cell data Sy is looking for.

I hope they walked dogs along all the possible routes those side trips could have been.
Not sure if this is where you're leaning, but wouldn't it be something if Sy and his data points out BK's hidey hole?

All that driving he did, just "not over there" -- do tell us, Sy, where was BK and what was he doing?

Yeah, I don't think AT wants Sy to look at that very closely.

JMO
 
  • #202
Not sure if this is where you're leaning, but wouldn't it be something if Sy and his data points out BK's hidey hole?

All that driving he did, just "not over there" -- do tell us, Sy, where was BK and what was he doing?

Yeah, I don't think AT wants Sy to look at that very closely.

JMO
I don't think there's any risk. If his phone was off, there's no data to be found in the first place. I think he'll make arguments about where he was when his phone went dark, cell reception in that area, and the same for when it came back online.

But he's not going to be able to show a data point that proves Kohberger was in a particular location during the murders.
 
  • #203
I don't mean to be lame, but, on the 911 they found Xana and Ethan right? It must have been LE that found the other two, right?
 
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I don't mean to be lame, but, on the 911 they found Xana and Ethan right? It must have been LE that found the other two, right?
Jmo but from my understanding KG and MM weren't found by roommates/ friend/ neighbour. They were discovered in person by attending LE. Just from memory.
 
  • #205
Jmo but from my understanding KG and MM weren't found by roommates/ friend/ neighbour. They were discovered in person by attending LE. Just from memory.
IIRC, it was LE that discovered MM and KG. I can only speak for myself, but after seeing what HJ did when he went inside and got to Xana's room, there is no way that I could go up the steps to the bedrooms on the third floor. He had to have feared, after finding Xana and Ethan, that there was just more of the same up there, considering that he had surely been told that neither Kaylee or Maddie had responded to messages either. He knew he was in a house of horrors, and understandably wanted to get DM and BF, and himself, out of there as quickly as possible. He will likely forever be scarred by what he saw that morning. MO
 
  • #206
I think it's important to keep in mind that we here have 102 pages, thousands of posts, knowing that those four kids were murdered that night and the magnitude of it.

DM did not know anything other than seeing a guy in black walk past her door early in the morning. She didn't connect the dots that something horrific had occurred.

But now, when listening to the 911 call, you can tell the dots do connect for her; something very, very bad had happened. There really are no words to express the magnitude of what they all went through that morning.

Prayers for them and justice.

MOO.
 
  • #207
I think it's important to keep in mind that we here have 102 pages, thousands of posts, knowing that those four kids were murdered that night and the magnitude of it.

DM did not know anything other than seeing a guy in black walk past her door early in the morning. She didn't connect the dots that something horrific had occurred.

But now, when listening to the 911 call, you can tell the dots do connect for her; something very, very bad had happened. There really are no words to express the magnitude of what they all went through that morning.

Prayers for them and justice.

MOO.
Yes. I have said before because the deteactors just dont have any capacity to imagine what a party house atmosphere is like, and that it was thousands of times more likely to have been a prank or some frat dude being weird than what actually happened.
Basically like a Ranger or Seal, a perpatrator ran an assasination mission on the house in like 9 minutes.
Scary sounds, but what actually happened was not remotely likely.
 
  • #208
I don't mean to be lame, but, on the 911 they found Xana and Ethan right? It must have been LE that found the other two, right?
Yeah, you can hear HJ calling for Xana and Ethan and then there’s roughly 30-40 seconds of muffled sounds as if he’s knocking or trying to get into the room and then right after that comes the frantic “get out get out get out” and from there it’s only about a minute and a half until the police arrive. HJ talks to the dispatcher for just a second after “get out”, she tells him to stop passing the phone around, DM takes the phone back, the dispatcher asks her about the defibrillator and by that point the cops are there. It’s such a short window of time between HJ finding Xana and/or Ethan and the police arriving (and an even shorter window between HJ getting off the phone & police arriving) and there’s nothing to suggest he or anyone else went back inside the house after the “get out”.
 
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I think it's important to keep in mind that we here have 102 pages, thousands of posts, knowing that those four kids were murdered that night and the magnitude of it.

DM did not know anything other than seeing a guy in black walk past her door early in the morning. She didn't connect the dots that something horrific had occurred.

But now, when listening to the 911 call, you can tell the dots do connect for her; something very, very bad had happened. There really are no words to express the magnitude of what they all went through that morning.

Prayers for them and justice.

MOO.
So true! Another thing I always think about when it comes to the surviving roommates- and also the “why didn’t any of the victims scream” thing- is that nobody had any idea just how many intruders were actually in the house. BK made some dumb mistakes but was also (tragically) fairly effective in getting in and out of the house quickly and extremely lethally. If I was Xana and had just been stabbed (at least once) before BK came back I would also be terrified of alerting other potential attackers… same for DM. How was she supposed to know whether it was just a single masked man skulking around the house or a whole team of them? I think multiple attackers is an underrated possibility of concern from all the victims’ point of view that, like you said, is difficult to fully grasp coming from all of us who have been poring over every second of that night for two and half years now.
 
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I think it's important to keep in mind that we here have 102 pages, thousands of posts, knowing that those four kids were murdered that night and the magnitude of it.

DM did not know anything other than seeing a guy in black walk past her door early in the morning. She didn't connect the dots that something horrific had occurred.

But now, when listening to the 911 call, you can tell the dots do connect for her; something very, very bad had happened. There really are no words to express the magnitude of what they all went through that morning.

Prayers for them and justice.

MOO.
This
 
  • #211
"Instead of challenging the conclusion that the DNA on the knife sheath belonged to Defendant, the defense’s expert disclosures reveal that the defense plans to argue the DNA on the knife sheath does not prove Defendant was ever at the crime scene and the knife sheath itself could have been planted by the real perpetrator
 
  • #212
The 911 call is chilling.
 
  • #213
"Instead of challenging the conclusion that the DNA on the knife sheath belonged to Defendant, the defense’s expert disclosures reveal that the defense plans to argue the DNA on the knife sheath does not prove Defendant was ever at the crime scene and the knife sheath itself could have been planted by the real perpetrator
If I were BK, and knew that the best defense that my attorneys could come up with is the suggestion that someone else planted a knife sheath, that matches a knife the state can likely prove that I purchased, and which somehow has my DNA, and only my DNA, on a very key part of the sheath, and it somehow was ;left in a murder victim's bed, in an effort to maybe, frame me or some such crazy notion, and if I knew that the state has other evidence that points to me being in the area of the killings at the time of the killings, well, I would just go ahead and plead guilty, in hopes of saving my life, if not my freedom...

...but he won't. JMO
 
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I think it's important to keep in mind that we here have 102 pages, thousands of posts, knowing that those four kids were murdered that night and the magnitude of it.

DM did not know anything other than seeing a guy in black walk past her door early in the morning. She didn't connect the dots that something horrific had occurred.

Excellent point!

Even more, we actually have 102 threads, not pages, and each thread has probably 60 pages, so thousands upon thousands of posts.

Also of course we heard about this BECAUSE four college kids had been knifed to death. We started out with this horrific knowledge, while DM and BF clearly only realized the next day that something was very wrong, but they did not yet know about the tragic and gruesome quadruple murder of their friends, right in their own home.

JMO
 
  • #215
If I were BK, and knew that the best defense that my attorneys could come up with is the suggestion that someone else planted a knife sheath, that matches a knife the state can likely prove that I purchased, and which somehow has my DNA, and only my DNA, on a very key part of the sheath, and it somehow was ;left in a murder victim's bed, in an effort to maybe, frame me or some such crazy notion, and if I knew that the state has other evidence that points to me being in the area of the killings at the time of the killings, well, I would just go ahead and plead guilty, in hopes of saving my life, if not my freedom...

...but he won't. JMO
No, he won't. He thinks he's too smart for that.

Early on, I thought there was a chance that he would plead guilty. And in exchange for sparing everyone from a trial and a possible death penalty for himself, he would describe his actions in court, much as Dennis Rader did. And I thought that he would also request to be able to spend the rest of his life in a Pennsylvania prison, so he can at least have family visit. Not that PA would necessarily accept him. Anyway, I don't see that happening at all now.

I just wish the families had some sort of answers. They won't ever get them from this guy though.
 
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I think this is all some sort of grand game to him. I don't think he intended to drop the sheath and that threw a wrench in his plans to go on and become an unidentified serial killer. The criminologist as criminal. I don't see him ever admitting anything.

MOO
 
  • #217
"Instead of challenging the conclusion that the DNA on the knife sheath belonged to Defendant, the defense’s expert disclosures reveal that the defense plans to argue the DNA on the knife sheath does not prove Defendant was ever at the crime scene and the knife sheath itself could have been planted by the real perpetrator

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!
Can’t wait for the details on that!
 
  • #218
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!
Can’t wait for the details on that!
Well, we all know that Santa and the tooth fairy are able to slip into homes under the cover of darkness, and they leave things behind., although they usually leave their own calling card, not someone else's....yeah, I can see how that defense strategy may need some work still... JMO
 
  • #219
Well, we all know that Santa and the tooth fairy are able to slip into homes under the cover of darkness, and they leave things behind., although they usually leave their own calling card, not someone else's....yeah, I can see how that defense strategy may need some work still... JMO
Kinda like the midget that killed Maggie and Paul .
 
  • #220
Just remembering BK’s behavior was strange in Penn when he got home, wearing plastic gloves all the time, So much so that one of his sisters thinking he might be involved with the murders , pointed out to the family that he had proximity and a car that matched the description and his behavior at home was strange and suspicious. BK’s father said that there was no way BK would do something like that. ( unfathomable)

There was such concern that the sister and other family members looked through his car however he had already cleaned it with bleach. And , when the raid happened just prior to dawn , he was up , wearing gloves and sealing his trash in plastic baggies! He also put his trash in neighbors bin in wee hours of morning.

Will defense use ASD and associated paranoia to explain his behavior?


 
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