4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #102

[gremlin444]

Sadly there are differences that an immediate emergency call could / would have made.

A dying victim could have had their life saved, possibly.

The perpetrator could have been apprehended 'red handed' and in his crime evidence riddled vehicle and this whole court case would be a very different creature.

However, there is no reason to blame or shame or accuse the living victims of something they didn't do - they didn't wilfully fail to inform emergency services for nefarious reasons. They had no way of knowing the magnitude of what had happened and they were in their own form of victimization which could mean denial / shock / trauma responses and all manner of psychological issues.

JMO MOO

I disagree, and not just in a knee jerk "those girls are blameless" kind of way.

I know Steve Goncalves is known at times to over exaggerate things, but when he specifically says in his note that "Had the 911 call been made the moment the accused left that house; it would not have saved anyone. Nothing would have changed," I believe him. He has far more information on the injuries that all of the victims suffered than most people. Sure, he could be saying that to be kind to DM & BF but I really don't think it's just that.

All four were murdered with what was likely a very large Kabar knife. It is a weapon that is meant to be lethal. With its design and sharpness, it would be very hard to just sort of hurt someone with it--powerful stabs are going to go deep and slashes would be wide and deep as well. IMHO, MOO, etc.

So after the guy leaves, DM hears no more sounds from the others' rooms. I think that goes a long way to indicate just how far past help they were immediately after they were attacked.

I suspect that if she had called right away, she would have been very hard for dispatch to understand. If what dispatch got from her at that point was that she thought she saw a man in the house, dispatch would have prioritized sending out police before ambulance. But even if they had sent ambulance as well, it would likely have been just one...which would not be sufficient to save four victims with severe knife wounds.

As for catching him red handed, DM would have had to call 911 the first time she woke up and thought Kaylee was playing with the dog. But she would have had no real cause to call 911 until after she saw the strange man. He was heading out the door at that point and would have been speeding away before dispatch could get police there. And DM & BF didn't see his car, so all police would have had to go by is a description of a man dressed all in black, masked. They wouldn't have been able to get neighbors' security footage right away, and by the time they did, BK would be long gone.

 

[Bahshudc]

I recently watched a grey Hughe’s video with a visual timeline on the 7 minutes he was in that house. I realised how long 2 minutes actually was. I’m starting to think that the timeline on the individual events was a lot more messy than I initially thought.

My theory is that Xana saw BK the second he entered the house, whether she was walking out of the kitchen or into it. She silently panics and runs away, towards her bedroom. This is when BK incapacitates her and Ethan quickly. I think this disturbance sets Murphy off and he starts barking. My dog would start barking immediately if he smelled or heard a new person in the home, especially at 4am.

Something that always sticks in my mind is that the PCA claims DM heard Kaylee say “someone’s here.” From what I’ve seen on tiktok, Xana and Kaylee have different voices. I don’t think they would state it was likely KG unless they were pretty sure it was her - for example, the “i’m going to help you” comment is assigned to “a male voice.” I’ve always been pretty sure that if DM didn’t know who said “someone’s here”, they would have assigned to “a woman’s voice.” I think she would recognise her friend’s voices pretty well. So, it’s hard for me to say it was definitely Xana who said it.

I think BK attacked Ethan and Xana, stirring Murphy who then barked and woke Kaylee / Maddie. DM is then awoken by the sounds of “Kaylee playing with her dog.” Then, KG goes downstairs to see who’s in the home - she either says “someone’s here” which subsequently distracts BK, or BK is already arriving to the stairs, which is why she says it.

Either way, BK finds his way to the bedroom where KG & MM are on the bed. I think he chases KG upstairs which is what DM references when she says she hears someone running. BK wouldn’t need to run upstairs unless he was chasing somebody. It’s added noise he wouldn’t want.

After leaving the girls bedroom, he goes back to EC & XK to ensure they’re gone. This is when DM hears Xana crying and the “I’m going to help you” comment. I think she had the most defensive wounds because she was alive the longest.

This would explain Murphy barking closer to the end of the 7 minute period, as opposed to the start, but also why DM sees him walk away from Xana’s room and outside the house. I think it would also maybe contribute to the “mixed sample” on the sheath - if there IS male blood on it, this is how Ethan’s DNA is on there (if that is the case.) The running up the stairs, KG’s voice being heard also makes sense for me in this theory. Also why the sheath would have been left behind, as after BK has attacked Xana and Ethan, he’s in a panicked rush to leave.

This is all MOO, and I apologise as I know it’s probably frustrating to keep repeating new theories and possibilities - none of this is going to be confirmed until the trial. I just thought it’s an interesting avenue for discussion and ties up a few loose ends in my mind.

 

[arielilane]

@BrianEntin


"It's like we are slowly drowning."That is how Idaho victim Kaylee Goncalves's dad Steve says the family feels listening to the 911 call.


10:18 PM · Mar 14, 2025


The male voice you hear in the Idaho murders 911 call is Ethan Chapin's best friend, according to Steve Goncalves.“He told me I found my best friend dead.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1900736883170099572

 

[Arkay]

IMO that statement from the Goncalves family is very compassionate, gallant and understanding of what the survivors and HJ had to face.

It’s also true that had they called 911 immediately, it would not have saved their already dead friends.

Of course they SHOULD have called 911, just to get the ball rolling and to have officials on hand ASAP, but it does seem like they really could not fathom the actual scenario.

As they get older and more mature, I hope they don’t beat themselves up out of survivor's guilt. This was a very hard lesson, learned most tragically.

JMO

 

[browneyes]

@BrianEntin


"It's like we are slowly drowning."That is how Idaho victim Kaylee Goncalves's dad Steve says the family feels listening to the 911 call.


10:18 PM · Mar 14, 2025


The male voice you hear in the Idaho murders 911 call is Ethan Chapin's best friend, according to Steve Goncalves.“He told me I found my best friend dead.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1900736883170099572

Who alerted Ethan’s best friend?

 

[girlhasnoname]

I agree. This dispatcher kept cutting them off when they tried to share extra details. If they are passing the phone, there is probably a reason for it.

I love the Goncalves family. <3

Pure chaos and pandemonium IMO. They were all trying to give info to the 911 operator which I get completely, but the operator's main concern at that moment was of the unconscious female.

Thank goodness HJ had the wherewithal to keep his wits about himself and usher the others out of the house. I bet his mind was not even comprehending what he was seeing. It simply defies logic or reasoning that is something you would stumble upon midday at an off campus college house.

I feel for the Goncalves family, just like the the other victim's families. They were thrust info a complete and utter nightmare that I'm sure they still cannot wake from. Their dear son and daughters are gone in brutal fashion. They want Justice and the Truth and by all that's good in this world, that is what they'll get when the murderer (BK) goes on trial. Sad that it will be re-victimizing for everyone, families, witnesses, LE, CSI all over again.

Except one...I think BK will enjoy the trial. He'll be famous for something after all.

JMO

 

[Missyrocks5]

That 911 call is heart stopping and heartbreaking. Those poor girls realizing something bad happened when they couldn’t get the others on the phone that morning, and then the 2 neighbors/EC’s best friend & girlfriend. who came to help. Hearing that scream after HJ knocked on the door calling for X & E. What a brave young man to keep it together after he saw what he saw to tell the girls to get out, get out. As awful as what the girls went through, he is the one who saw enough to know at least part of what happened.

I thought this would end the unhinged posts on social media about the roommates, but it has not. Revictimizing those girls all over again. I pray for their well-being.

 

[Missyrocks5]

Kaylee’s family’s statement is perfect. So true on all counts. Nothing would’ve changed what happened even if DM had called when she opened the door the first time. They were all dead so quickly if you realize the damage that knife can do and how little time it takes. He would’ve been gone by the time there was a response. A sleepy, small town like that would never have the tools in place at 4:30 am to have an immediate response to a real life Michael Meyers. The girls thought it was alcohol, etc related. How would they ever have thought this.

Praying for justice for all the families and friends of the victims and all impacted from the trauma,

 

[girlhasnoname]

That 911 call is heart stopping and heartbreaking. Those poor girls realizing something bad happened when they couldn’t get the others on the phone that morning, and then the 2 neighbors/EC’s best friend & girlfriend. who came to help. Hearing that scream after HJ knocked on the door calling for X & E. What a brave young man to keep it together after he saw what he saw to tell the girls to get out, get out. As awful as what the girls went through, he is the one who saw enough to know at least part of what happened.

I thought this would end the unhinged posts on social media about the roommates, but it has not. Revictimizing those girls all over again. I pray for their well-being.

I couldn't listen to the 911 tape, too triggering for me. Cannot imagine the utter disbelief and shock.

Unfortunately SM and the unhinged posts will continue up until the trial and probably well after. It happens in a lot of cases from those who cannot or will not accept what is reasonable beyond a doubt.

I guess a good conspiracy makes for a better SM and TC experience for some. These are real victims with families, loved ones and friends suffering through the whole process. It's beyond sad.

JMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Pure chaos and pandemonium IMO. They were all trying to give info to the 911 operator which I get completely, but the operator's main concern at that moment was of the unconscious female.

SBMFF.

These things aren't mutually exclusive. Some trauma-informed care training would serve her very well.

MOO.

 

[Missyrocks5]

I couldn't listen to the 911 tape, too triggering for me. Cannot imagine the utter disbelief and shock.

Unfortunately SM and the unhinged posts will continue up until the trial and probably well after. It happens in a lot of cases from those who cannot or will not accept what is reasonable beyond a doubt.

I guess a good conspiracy makes for a better SM and TC experience for some. These are real victims with families, loved ones and friends suffering through the whole process. It's beyond sad.

JMO

You’re right. I hesitated to listen, but followed this case from the beginning and did. I felt sick. Those kids all I hope have had and will continue to have therapy. I also vacillate between hoping that he tells them where the knife is, and then maybe he spends the rest of his life in jail so he gets to talk about himself, which he would love, and between going to trial to get the firing squad, but all those kids will have to testify and have that defense attorney try to paint them as culprits like these unhinged people supporting him post online. Praying none of those types get on the potential jury.

The tragedy continues.

 

[Cool Cats]

You’re right. I hesitated to listen, but followed this case from the beginning and did. I felt sick. Those kids all I hope have had and will continue to have therapy. I also vacillate between hoping that he tells them where the knife is, and then maybe he spends the rest of his life in jail so he gets to talk about himself, which he would love, and between going to trial to get the firing squad, but all those kids will have to testify and have that defense attorney try to paint them as culprits like these unhinged people supporting him post online. Praying none of those types get on the potential jury.

The tragedy continues.

Don't worry, the prosecution will clean up any negative statements the defense brings out against any prosecution witness. I have just seen this happen. Defense tries to put the prosecution witness in a negative light and then the prosecutor himself gets to cross examine the witness and clears up any doubt the defense tries to cast. The prosecution puts out the whole picture and the whole truth and isn't cherry picking. Witness looks good in juror's minds.

I am not worried. Prosecutors will support the witnesses on the stand and also prep them and have their original interview statements. Prosecutors will mitigate anything the defense tries to put in a negative light.

2 Cents

 

[SteveP]

For anyone who still believes that lives could have been saved if 9-1-1 had been called as soon as the assailant left the house, here is a reminder of the type weapon that was used, in the event anyone has either forgotten what it looks like, or never really took a look. Not exactly a pocketknife. Total length, just under 12 inches, rugged steel blade, 7 inches long, more than an inch wide. It is made for killing. I think we can agree that, regardless of what part of the chest or neck area the killer attacked, the attack likely would have been almost instantly fatal, and I am pretty sure that the killer made certain of that before leaving through the sliding door. JMO

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[imstilla.grandma]

'I always wanted it to make more sense. Your brain wants to gravitate to "make this make more sense."

'But the truth is, murder never makes sense. This is a psychopathic person who does something that breaks the norm.'

In a post to their Facebook page, the Goncalves family added: 'The 911 call? It is not the neatly rehearsed dialogue of a well-crafted story, not the polished performance you might expect from a Hollywood script.

'No. It is raw. It is jagged. A searing, unvarnished truth that no camera could ever hope to capture. Every breath. Every cry.'

Family of Idaho murders victim speak out after 911 call release

Reacting to the call, Kaylee's father Steve said the family listened to it before it was released and that it didn't give him any clarity.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[fcavanaugh]

That 911 call is heart stopping and heartbreaking. Those poor girls realizing something bad happened when they couldn’t get the others on the phone that morning, and then the 2 neighbors/EC’s best friend & girlfriend. who came to help. Hearing that scream after HJ knocked on the door calling for X & E. What a brave young man to keep it together after he saw what he saw to tell the girls to get out, get out. As awful as what the girls went through, he is the one who saw enough to know at least part of what happened.

I thought this would end the unhinged posts on social media about the roommates, but it has not. Revictimizing those girls all over again. I pray for their well-being.

Yes the SM kooks are out in full force accusing, judging and bashing the roommates DM & BF. Absolutely vile. I really wish they’d leave these poor young ladies’ aka VICTIMS alone but I know they won’t as that’s the nature of the cesspool some of those platforms are.

The SM kooks think they know more and are smarter than LE investigating the case, and how they’d have done everything differently than DM & BF did that early morning when DM got a quick glance at the intruder in the house and after finding out later that morning that their 4 friends had been slaughtered. No.
Unless you’ve been through something so horrifying and traumatizing, you have no idea e how you’d react especially at 19-20 years old.

My God those poor young ladies’ and Ethan’s best friend HJ finding his best friend and girlfriend slaughtered and preventing DM & BF from seeing the horror. HJ’s a hero and also another one of the killers victims. The Collateral damage here is astounding all due to one evil, selfish killer (imo BK). The damage and devastation he caused to so many innocent lives is wide and deep. Awful.

IMHOO

 

[GA_Peach]

SBMFF.

These things aren't mutually exclusive. Some trauma-informed care training would serve her very well.

MOO.

Agreed. My issue is that operator cut off the witness from sharing relevant information. One of the girls started to tell the operator about the person she saw in the house earlier that morning when the 911 operator said that she was not concerned with that. If the operator had listened for a few more seconds, she may have understood why someone was "passed out." Again, I understand that it is easy to Monday morning quarterback, but the operator was overly frustrated on the call. It was really hard for me to listen to the call.

 

[Sachi]

Don't worry, the prosecution will clean up any negative statements the defense brings out against any prosecution witness. I have just seen this happen. Defense tries to put the prosecution witness in a negative light and then the prosecutor himself gets to cross examine the witness and clears up any doubt the defense tries to cast. The prosecution puts out the whole picture and the whole truth and isn't cherry picking. Witness looks good in juror's minds.

I am not worried. Prosecutors will support the witnesses on the stand and also prep them and have their original interview statements. Prosecutors will mitigate anything the defense tries to put in a negative light.

2 Cents

I really like this , the thought of them being prepped and protected by prosecution because, I can not imagine how incredibly difficult it will be for the surviving roommates to take the stand, seeing and listening to evidence ,the accused before them and endure defense questions about their "reaction" and what they did or didn't do relative to this horrific mass murder.

 

[Boxer]

Agreed. My issue is that operator cut off the witness from sharing relevant information. One of the girls started to tell the operator about the person she saw in the house earlier that morning when the 911 operator said that she was not concerned with that. If the operator had listened for a few more seconds, she may have understood why someone was "passed out." Again, I understand that it is easy to Monday morning quarterback, but the operator was overly frustrated by the call. It was really hard for me to listen to the call.

MOO The operator was focused on getting help to an unconscious person where seconds matter.

 

[Gemmie]

Agreed. My issue is that operator cut off the witness from sharing relevant information. One of the girls started to tell the operator about the person she saw in the house earlier that morning when the 911 operator said that she was not concerned with that. If the operator had listened for a few more seconds, she may have understood why someone was "passed out." Again, I understand that it is easy to Monday morning quarterback, but the operator was overly frustrated by the call. It was really hard for me to listen to the call.

I totally agree that DM had a story to tell, and a huge one, but the operator was focused on getting help to who she thought was passed out. That's who needed the most urgent help with the limited info she had. And even now that she knows all the details, I'm guessing she wouldn't do things differently. I'm thinking they train them to focus on what appears to be the most urgent. First things first and all that.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

I totally agree that DM had a story to tell, and a huge one, but the operator was focused on getting help to who she thought was passed out. That's who needed the most urgent help with the limited info she had. And even now that she knows all the details, I'm guessing she wouldn't do things differently. I'm thinking they train them to focus on what appears to be the most urgent. First things first and all that.

JMO

Yeah, the only reason I'm annoyed by her not being able to say what she saw, is that I want to know what she would have said. Of course that was only wasting time as far as the operator was concerned, and that can be the difference in life and death.