4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #102

[Gemmie]

Tacky to reply to myself, but I just literally had another thought about the sliding glass door.

It has been theorized from the beginning that there's a good chance that BK had popped the sliding glass door off its track to gain entry. If so, trying to put it completely back in place and close it all the way before heading upstairs would risk being even noisier. So perhaps he left it still partially off the tracks and just mostly closed. With the temps that night, it would have noticeable to Xana as she walked through the doorway and that might have been what first drew her eyes over to the door.

IMHO, etc.

If you do it right the door doesn't come off the track. It just pops the lock and allows entrance. It takes all of 1 second, and is pretty much soundless.

 

[Ghostwheel]

If you do it right the door doesn't come off the track. It just pops the lock and allows entrance. It takes all of 1 second, and is pretty much soundless.

Does anyone have a good picture of the slider? It always looked like in inside slider, not an outside slider Door slides on the outside, easy popping. Door slides on the inside, not so easy.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Ah, here is one. Inside slider. Not so easy to pop, unless there is something wrong with it. ETA, it all depends on the base track. You can't get a screwdriver in mine like the one in the video above.

Blueprints show where each Idaho student was found stabbed to death

Unearthed blueprints and layout plans of the off-campus house where four Idaho college students were brutally stabbed to death reveal where each of the friends were found slain earlier this month.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[schooling]

I think this statement from a filling we got yesterday indicates that Ethan had not gotten out of the bed.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01...-MiL-2-Vague-Undisclosed-Expert-Testimony.pdf

State's witness Gary Dawson: The Defendant disclosed expert opinions claiming that more than one assailant was necessary in order to accomplish the homicides in the suggested timeframe offered by the State. Dr. Dawson will opine that the victim’s intoxication levels would have impaired their ability to resist, and for certain victims (as detailed in his report) it would have prevented them from putting up any resistance.

If that statement literally means plural victims, then the ones who wouldn't have been able to resist at all would be Maddie and Ethan, since we know both Kaylee and Xana fought back.

I believe that KG was alert when BK entered the room (probably heard her dog scrambling in her room, the same thing Dylan heard) and MM was not. Making MM the only one who fit the ME's initial account. Again, these are just my opinions.

Also, I'm not sure if Xana made it into the hallway or not. I think she was working her way towards it and the loud 'thud' we heard on the camera might have been BK grabbing Xana and bringing her back into the room or further back into the room.

At 4:17am a camera captured a whimper (which lines up with the crying), followed by the thud. A minute or two later DM thought it was safe enough to start making phone calls and BK was speeding out of the neighborhood.

This could of course been the entire Xana and Ethan encounter but it's just my theory that its not. I believe that it was his second encounter with Xana. Hence the "I'm here to help" which doesn't make very much sense in any other context than BK coming back down the stairs to a crying Xana.

The last thing that does it for me is DM and BF's communications.

In the text messages BF is coming off as someone who is trying to make sense of what she's hearing but is mostly unaware of what's going on. She's clearly (IMO) placed non-nefarious context. Which tends to make me think that the Xana and Ethan murders did not happen in the minutes before. I think BF likely slept through most of that and woke up to it. If it had only happened a minute or two before her texts with DM I think we would be seeing a very different reaciton. It was right above her. And everything we know about that house is that you hear everything. I know we are missing text messages but there's no additional context that alters that interpretation.

All MOO, of course. Time will tell.

 

[Warwick7]

 

[wendy44]

My own personal theory is that BK's target was MM and he fully intended to get in and out without waking anyone else. He liked the added terror that would be to the roommates. But KG being there threw the whole plan into chaos. Maybe one day when he's hopefully been convicted and all his appeals are exhausted he'll let Katherine Ramsland write a book about it and tell the whole story.
JMO

 

[gremlin444]

In the text messages BF is coming off as someone who is trying to make sense of what she's hearing but is mostly unaware of what's going on. She's clearly (IMO) placed non-nefarious context. Which tends to make me think that the Xana and Ethan murders did not happen in the minutes before. I think BF likely slept through most of that and woke up to it. If it had only happened a minute or two before her texts with DM I think we would be seeing a very different reaciton. It was right above her. And everything we know about that house is that you hear everything. I know we are missing text messages but there's no additional context that alters that interpretation.

All MOO, of course. Time will tell.

It depends on what you mean by right above her. BF's room was the room to the left of the front door. She was under the living room. XK's bedroom was on the right hand side of the second floor (when you are looking at the front door) and was over the empty 1st floor bedroom.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I'm pretty sure this has been addressed multiple times.

Many people with visual snow can drive at night and navigate at night. For some people, bright lights and sunlight actually make their visual snow worse. My young adult with visual snow is better at night and even prefers to keep just a string of fairy lights on red as his main lighting in his room in the evenings.

You can look on reddit for personal accounts of this, I'll only post medical/health sites for now. I wish all the handouts the neuro-ophthalmologist gave us were available online:

The level of visual impairment varies significantly among people with visual snow syndrome. Many people can continue to drive if visual snow isn’t impairing their ability to see.

What To Know About Visual Snow Syndrome

Learn about visual snow syndrome, a rare neurological disorder that affects your entire visual field.

www.healthline.com

The severity of symptoms can vary from person to person, and in some cases, it may be possible for a person with visual snow syndrome to drive.

What Causes Visual Snow? Symptoms, Mental Disorder, Risks, Treatment

Visual snow is a symptom of an underlying condition and not a disease itself. Learn the causes, symptoms, risk factors, diagnosis, and treatment of visual snow.

www.medicinenet.com

I didn't say BK couldn't drive at night, he seems to be a pretty lousy driver in general.

 

[girlhasnoname]

MOO i think the slider simply was not locked, it's basically the back door.

Agree, plus we know Kaylee (and Maddie?) had taken Murphy outside to potty when they got home from the bar and food truck. If they were a little tipsy they could have definitely forgotten to lock it.

JMO

 

[Orange Tabby]

Sparing y'all from having to look at his ugly mug again.

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SBM

I think the selfie does show BK’s left hand and that the photo has not been reversed or mirrored.

This is because the picture as published has buttons of the shirt on the right, the “man’s side”, and not on the left. This is not incontrovertible as BK might prefer lady’s shirts. (Ha ha.)

I’m not replying to Gemmie but using using their photo because I love that they have symbolically guillotined BK.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Thanks for that. This really shows how determined BK was to get into that house on that night. He drove back and forth around that area basically for 30 minutes.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

Ding ding ding. A person may have problems with fine motor dexterity but I really wouldn't categorize holding a 7" sharp blade and making slashing/stabbing motions to require fine motor dexterity. And I'd say his training in boxing and running were great physical therapy for any issues in his motor issues. But we are to believe that he wouldn't have been able to walk quickly through the house, climb stairs, attack unsuspecting/asleep people in small spaces with a long sharp blade, or quickly unzip a baggie coverall.

Not buying it.

He has motor deficiencies and poor muscle control and dexterity----but yet he felt comfortable enough powering down his phone at 2 am, on a freezing winter night, and walking alone into a closed federal park, to star gaze for an hour or more. On a cloudy foggy night no less.

 

[katydid23]

Yeah, such a very specific symptom that can be used to explain why his shower curtain was missing when he went home for break.

Can't wait to hear how he couldn't have possibly murdered 4 people because of contamination issues.

1) I don't think he intended to kill 4 people when he went in
2) people with OCD are often able to overcome/deal with one of their obsessions/compulsions if they have another obsession/compulsion or desire/need that is stronger in the moment. They then just end up needing to over perform their soothing ritual that is their coping strategy for the obsession that they just had to cope with. I have two older teen/young adult children who have had OCD their entire lives, so I've seen this in action and even seen it with some of the same OCD issues AT is saying BK has.

oversimplified example of this: person with OCD has issues around contamination (for example, in regards to urine). Their phone falls in the unflushed toilet. Now, when my kids were younger, they would not have been able to get the phone out if there was no one home to help them. But by the time they were early teens, they valued their phones so much that they would grab dishwashing gloves or a pair of kitchen tongs and use that to retrieve their phones. And then they'd likely spend the next 20 minutes washing their hands after throwing away the gloves and then consult me or the internet on how to decontaminate their phone once it had dried out.

There are indeed some people with such crippling levels of contamination OCD that they would not be able to retrieve the phone if there was no one else there to help them. But people with that level of OCD about a specific thing would be noticeable to their friends and acquaintances.

Not to mention, by the time you are BK's age you have usually gained enough coping strategies from therapy that you can deal with the issue in the moment or not have as severe of an aversion (such as my young adult who had a major contamination issue regarding the dishwasher now having that issue reduced enough that he unload it when needed...he just did this five minutes ago and then went and washed his hands).

3) Contamination issues don't usually encompass ALL substances considered to be icky. When my kids had urine contamination issues, they didn't freak out if they hurt themselves and were bleeding. The dishwasher aversion kid can work a dog walker and pick up doggy doo. It varies per person, but the definition of what is contaminating is specific to the person and is generally not all encompassing.

*sigh* If the defense team want to make these broad generalizations then they better be prepared to back it up with therapy/doctor records from his childhood/teenage time/young adult time that document the specific details and timing of his OCD symptoms....and had better be able to show that an OCD issue that was severe and present at a younger age was still that severe and unable to reduced using CBT and/or exposure therapy. I want to see records showing psych meds that help OCD.

A broad label diagnosis isn't irrefutable proof against a specific situation and time in a person's life, nor can symptoms and severity be assumed to be static.

And how would someone with severe OCD issues decide to get a PHD in criminology and forensics? Isn't that pretty messy and icky for someone who couldn't deal with ICK?

 

[Megnut]

I remain disturbed by the selfie.

Six hours after a quadruple slaughter.

I wonder if his cellphone history will indicate when he last slept.

Reflecting on what I've learned from MSM about BK and his interactions with females, with police officers, with female police officers, with classmates and students, in particular female classmates and students, his superiors, his family, and that unsettling selfie, I suspect that BK has one of those insufferable personalities where he isn't wrong, can't be wrong, has never been wrong, and doesn't let facts get in the way of even ordinary disputes. He's not wrong; women are. He's not wrong, the road stripes are. He's not wrong, he's just tickling.

I'll go further. Yesterday I suggested his brain is in backwards. Frankly, I hope it gets donated to science to be studied. Regardless, his moral compass is upside down. His due north is scary.

For 28 years he managed to avoid serious trouble, though it appears he may have been shuffled plenty. He managed well enough. He got into college, his Master's and PhD programs. He knows how to dress the part.

We don't know how BK spent his day on November 12, but at a point, he was likely dressed in PhD TA attire. Then, if he's guilty as charged, he transformed himself into a nighttime ninja, all in black with the face mask, entered a dark residence and didn't leave until four young people were slaughtered, return to his stark apartment where he transformed back into his PhD TA attire. And apparently found it worthy of memorializing.

And not just a selfie but a thumbs up selfie.

Was that a trophy photo?

Did he send it to anyone?

What's the thumbs up for? Mission completed? Transformation completed -- scholar-ninja-scholar? Thumbs up to himself? Self-congratulatory? Who does that? It's so awkward.

JMO

 

[pseudo_hum]

It has crossed my mind he left it as a calling card. Maybe.

IMO, he may have intentionally left it since he had cleaned it so well. Or he heard voices that diverted his attention and inadvertently left it. Either way I believe that photo depicts a person who thought they were in the clear. And now a member of the club. Something he could share with BTK.

 

[GA_Peach]

IMO, he may have intentionally left it since he had cleaned it so well. Or he heard voices that diverted his attention and inadvertently left it. Either way I believe that photo depicts a person who thought they were in the clear. And know a member of the club. Something he could share with BTK.

Pappa Rogers speculated that the sheath was left behind because it wasn't snapped/attached as well as it should have been. It's quite possible that the sheath wasn't fully secured and just came off in the "struggle" in MM's room.. maybe he had to lean up against the bed to reach KG, maybe KG actually fought back, etc. I suspect he didn't realize that the sheath wasn't on him until there were 4 victims or until he got back to the car. By that point, it was too late to retrieve it, especially if he wasn't sure where it was lost.

 

[pseudo_hum]

Pappa Rogers speculated that the sheath was left behind because it wasn't snapped/attached as well as it should have been. It's quite possible that the sheath wasn't fully secured and just came off in the "struggle" in MM's room.. maybe he had to lean up against the bed to reach KG, maybe KG actually fought back, etc. I suspect he didn't realize that the sheath wasn't on him until there were 4 victims or until he got back to the car. By that point, it was too late to retrieve it, especially if he wasn't sure where it was lost.

IMO, yes I could see it either way.

 

[Justice101]

SBM

I think the selfie does show BK’s left hand and that the photo has not been reversed or mirrored.

This is because the picture as published has buttons of the shirt on the right, the “man’s side”, and not on the left. This is not incontrovertible as BK might prefer lady’s shirts. (Ha ha.)

I’m not replying to Gemmie but using using their photo because I love that they have symbolically guillotined BK.

Good observation.

Do we know if BK was left handed or right handed?

 

[iamshadow21]

Pappa Rogers speculated that the sheath was left behind because it wasn't snapped/attached as well as it should have been. It's quite possible that the sheath wasn't fully secured and just came off in the "struggle" in MM's room.. maybe he had to lean up against the bed to reach KG, maybe KG actually fought back, etc. I suspect he didn't realize that the sheath wasn't on him until there were 4 victims or until he got back to the car. By that point, it was too late to retrieve it, especially if he wasn't sure where it was lost.

That 'attachment' in question is a continuous loop of leather designed for a belt to thread through. Unless he took off a belt, there's nothing it realistically could have been attached to to come free from. The snap isn't anything to do with attaching it to your person, it's to hold the hilt secure when the knife is sheathed.

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MOO

 

[Justice101]

I remain disturbed by the selfie.

Six hours after a quadruple slaughter.

I wonder if his cellphone history will indicate when he last slept.

Reflecting on what I've learned from MSM about BK and his interactions with females, with police officers, with female police officers, with classmates and students, in particular female classmates and students, his superiors, his family, and that unsettling selfie, I suspect that BK has one of those insufferable personalities where he isn't wrong, can't be wrong, has never been wrong, and doesn't let facts get in the way of even ordinary disputes. He's not wrong; women are. He's not wrong, the road stripes are. He's not wrong, he's just tickling.

I'll go further. Yesterday I suggested his brain is in backwards. Frankly, I hope it gets donated to science to be studied. Regardless, his moral compass is upside down. His due north is scary.

For 28 years he managed to avoid serious trouble, though it appears he may have been shuffled plenty. He managed well enough. He got into college, his Master's and PhD programs. He knows how to dress the part.

We don't know how BK spent his day on November 12, but at a point, he was likely dressed in PhD TA attire. Then, if he's guilty as charged, he transformed himself into a nighttime ninja, all in black with the face mask, entered a dark residence and didn't leave until four young people were slaughtered, return to his stark apartment where he transformed back into his PhD TA attire. And apparently found it worthy of memorializing.

And not just a selfie but a thumbs up selfie.

Was that a trophy photo?

Did he send it to anyone?

What's the thumbs up for? Mission completed? Transformation completed -- scholar-ninja-scholar? Thumbs up to himself? Self-congratulatory? Who does that? It's so awkward.

JMO

Yeh, I am with you.

Alone in a bathroom and thumbs up at 10am? (Unknown) mission accomplished?

He looks picid like he hasn't been to sleep.

Just very weird looking.