4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #102

[Justice101]

That 'attachment' in question is a continuous loop of leather designed for a belt to thread through. Unless he took off a belt, there's nothing it realistically could have been attached to to come free from. The snap isn't anything to do with attaching it to your person, it's to hold the hilt secure when the knife is sheathed.

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MOO

Yeh, I'm with you. If he had coveralls (or a black nija outfit), there would probably have not been a belt buckle.

I think he had it in a pocket and it fell out in the struggle, or he left it there on purpose.

 

[Justice101]

Referencing the thumbs up photo - did he even realize he left the sheath at this point?! Seemingly would be a bit more panicked and not doing a photo shoot in his bathroom. But maybe he didn't consider DNA being on it, hm.

Yeh, he may have cleaner it carefully so as to leave it there as a signature that wouldn't trace to anyone

 

[Curiousobserver]

Idaho Murder Suspect: What We Know About Bryan Kohberger

While authorities have not revealed if the victims knew Kohberger, the suspect's now-deleted Instagram account — which was reviewed by PEOPLE before it was removed — followed the accounts of Mogen, Goncalves and Kernodle. None of the victims followed him back.

Two weeks before the students were killed, Kohberger sent a series of messages to one of the victims on Instagram, an investigator familiar with the case told PEOPLE.

An account that authorities believe belonged to Kohberger sent a greeting to a female victim in late October. When he didn't get a reply, he sent several more messages to her.

"He slid into one of the girls' DMs several times but she didn't respond," the source told PEOPLE. "Basically, it was just him saying, 'Hey, how are you?' But he did it again and again."

The source added that the victim may not have ever seen the messages, as they went into the message request folder on Instagram.

 

[Justice101]

MOO i think the slider simply was not locked, it's basically the back door.

I might be imagining it, but I thought early on it was mentioned by someone that the back sliding door was rigged in some way to stay closed because it was cheap or damaged.

Anyone remember that or what that just supposition??

 

[iamshadow21]

I might be imagining it, but I thought early on it was mentioned by someone that the back sliding door was rigged in some way to stay closed because it was cheap or damaged.

Anyone remember that or what that just supposition??

It was speculation based on the placement of a kitchen stool in the paparazzi photos.

MOO

 

[Justice101]

It stuns me that he left a Walmart receipt, and the tag of a dickies. For someone who thought they were pulling off the perfect crime, these are stupid mistakes!

Agree.

There is No perfect crime...but he did do several things right...

1) He did not leave any of their DNA in his car or in his apartment. That's astonishing. And is very hard to do to get blood completely out of seatbelt webbing, for example.
2) Successfully disposed of his bloody clothing and murder weapon.
3) He turned his phone off at times, although that just makes him look even more guilty.
4) He covered most of his face. Partial description of bushy eyebrows and height/strength will not exclude him but is not obviously as definitive as his full face.


His mistakes:
1) Not soaking the sheath completely to kill the DNA in the snap. If he had done this, I don't think we have even an arrest. he goes Scott free.
2) Not having 2 license plates on his car as if from Washington or Idaho.
3) Driving back by the murder scene the next day

All in all in my opinion, this case is all about the DNA.

The other circumstantial evidence (purchase of coveralls, purchase of KBAR knife, Elantra video, phone records vs towers, creepy behavior in PA, etc.) will be very helpful in a conviction to buttress the DNA.

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[browneyes]

This house had a lot of bedrooms. I still wonder how he knew exactly which one to go to?

 

[DizzyB]

This house had a lot of bedrooms. I still wonder how he knew exactly which one to go to?

If he followed social media, it was pretty obvious which bedroom was Kaylee’s. Except she wasn’t there, she was sleeping beside Maddie. Maddie’s pink cowboy boots were in her bedroom window, that could have been a tell. So he may have known that the two girls were on the top floor. I doubt he knew where the others slept.

For the longest time, we all thought that there was a vacant bedroom on the second floor, and both DM and BF had first floor bedrooms.

 

[minazoe]

This house had a lot of bedrooms. I still wonder how he knew exactly which one to go to?

prior peeping and maybe even entering the house. mOO

 

[SteveP]

This house had a lot of bedrooms. I still wonder how he knew exactly which one to go to?

I think he knew exactly which bedroom to go to because he had surveilled the house well before entering. Whether or not we believe that any of the individual residents had been stalked prior to the killer's entry that fateful night, it seems apparent that the house itself had been, as a car matching the descriptions of BK's was within sight of 1122 King Road multiple times in the half hour prior to coming to a final stop around 4:05am. The driver clearly knew when and which lights were on and when they were not. I believe he had watched the house enough times, based on evidence of being in the immediate area at least a dozen times prior to that night, that he knew where the bedrooms were that were occupied, and by whom, even if he did not know the names. He did not enter a strange house blindly. I believe he knew where he was going, and his only surprises may have been an extra person in MM's bed, who, I remain convinced, was his main target, and the presence of EC in XK's. JMO

 

[Justice101]

This house had a lot of bedrooms. I still wonder how he knew exactly which one to go to?

He must have stalked it or been there for a party etc.

The other thing is how do you navigate in a dark house at night?

I only saw a few window blinds but not really any curtains... so if there was moonlight that night or light coming in from street lights, that might help.

Also, wasn't there a neon sign in the hallway near the kitchen?

I suspect, his eyes had conditioned to it being dark and when he entered a room, he may have even turned the light on before he started stabbing. He himself would be ready for the huge shocking glare but not the ones in the bed.

Regardless, I cannot imagine the depravity that has to be in your soul to do such a thing to an innocent victim.

 

[minazoe]

he could have turned on the lights. no one knows. mOO

 

[Megnut]

He could be accustomed to night vision.

JMO

 

[Justice101]

I think he knew exactly which bedroom to go to because he had surveilled the house well before entering. Whether or not we believe that any of the individual residents had been stalked prior to the killer's entry that fateful night, it seems apparent that the house itself had been, as a car matching the descriptions of BK's was within sight of 1122 King Road multiple times in the half hour prior to coming to a final stop around 4:05am. The driver clearly knew when and which lights were on and when they were not. I believe he had watched the house enough times, based on evidence of being in the immediate area at least a dozen times prior to that night, that he knew where the bedrooms were that were occupied, and by whom, even if he did not know the names. He did not enter a strange house blindly, I believe he knew where he was going, and his only surprises may have been an extra person in MM's bed, and the presence of EC in XK's. JMO

It just dawned on me that if he was driving around surveilling houses like this, that the location of that back parking area of that special house with college girls all in it (which was eye level with his victim), would have made that house a prime target.

He may have even had 2 or 3 other target houses that he drove around night surveilling.

However, I speculate that that night, all the stars lined up for him. He saw the lights on in that 3rd floor bedroom in previous drive bys earlier that night,,, then the lights going out and so knew his victim was now in bed. Was it discussed in the PCA when MM returned to the house versus when the Elantra was FIRST SEEN in video on the first drive by?

To me, he drove around multiple times to see if the lights were out and to get up the nerve to enter and kill.

 

[Megnut]

It just dawned on me that if he was driving around surveilling houses like this, that the location of that back parking area of that special house with college girls all in it (which was eye level with his victim), would have made that house a prime target.

He may have even had 2 or 3 other target houses that he drove around night surveilling.

However, I speculate that that night, all the stars lined up for him. He saw the lights on in that 3rd floor bedroom in previous drive bys earlier that night,,, then the lights going out and so knew his victim was now in bed. Was it discussed in the PCA when MM returned to the house versus when the Elantra was FIRST SEEN in video on the first drive by?

To me, he drove around multiple times to see if the lights were out and to get up the nerve to enter and kill.

All the housemates (including EC and LG) were home by 2 am. KG and MM got a ride from the Grub Hub food truck at 1:56 am. P. 4.

The Elantra enters the neighborhood at roughly 3:29 and begins looping.... P. 7.

Bryan Kohberger arrest affidavit in Idaho murders

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[Megnut]

Just had a thought, no idea if BK had had it, but I do sometimes wonder if criminals make preemptive moves that are missed and secretly it steams them.

For instance, did BK doctor his license plate in any way? He sure didn't think to use two plates but maybe that's because he knew he was soon going to get new ones. But did he obscure his plate? Did he swap it out? Did he swap it out four separate times? He had to know the world is filled with cameras and his would be captured. Not sure why he didn't park a half mile away and belly crawl there all in black. Did he attempt his own version of a shell game? Hyundai Shellantras. Wasted effort if he swapped in a new plate with each loop because CCTV wasn't able to pick up a license plate number. Did he try? Think he was clever? Make it look like all different white sedans were driving in and around the neighborhood, nothing to see here?

I bet he wishes he could set the State straight, show them all the ways he (thinks he) was/is smarter than them.

Where's the knife, BK? Is it with your coveralls deep in the woods? Deep in the water? All together or did you parcel your pieces into small piles and rid yourself of them in multiple places?

Gave himself the ol' thumbs up.

Blew up my creep meter.

JMO

 

[Justice101]

Just had a thought, no idea if BK had had it, but I do sometimes wonder if criminals make preemptive moves that are missed and secretly it steams them.

For instance, did BK doctor his license plate in any way? He sure didn't think to use two plates but maybe that's because he knew he was soon going to get new ones. But did he obscure his plate? Did he swap it out? Did he swap it out four separate times? He had to know the world is filled with cameras and his would be captured. Not sure why he didn't park a half mile away and belly crawl there all in black. Did he attempt his own version of a shell game? Hyundai Shellantras. Wasted effort if he swapped in a new plate with each loop because CCTV wasn't able to pick up a license plate number. Did he try? Think he was clever? Make it look like all different white sedans were driving in and around the neighborhood, nothing to see here?

I bet he wishes he could set the State straight, show them all the ways he (thinks he) was/is smarter than them.

Where's the knife, BK? Is it with your coveralls deep in the woods? Deep in the water? All together or did you parcel your pieces into small piles and rid yourself of them in multiple places?

Gave himself the ol' thumbs up.

Blew up my creep meter.

JMO

I think he threw the knife into a creek or river when he was south of Moscow that early morning.

I think he buried the coveralls and maybe even face mask out in the boonies

 

[MassGuy]

SG did an interview earlier today when he described witnesses "putting their foot down" in regards to Kohberger attempting to purchase another knife. I believe he is talking about his family members, and do believe this is going to be true.

Because think about it. He's searching Amazon for a knife that is readily available, yet apparently did not make that purchase. Something like this explains it perfectly, and does jibe with Blum's (I know) reporting that members of the family were suspicious.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

It just dawned on me that if he was driving around surveilling houses like this, that the location of that back parking area of that special house with college girls all in it (which was eye level with his victim), would have made that house a prime target.

He may have even had 2 or 3 other target houses that he drove around night surveilling.

Dennis Rader (BTK), the serial killer of whom BK's professor Katherine Ramsland at DeSales University wrote a book, had other victims picked out who were not attacked. I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that BK had other homes chosen as a back-up plan. He worked very hard by repeatedly driving around 1122 King Rd in order to commit his brutality there, but in all his surveilling he undoubtedly came across other homes with female occupants and noted them for future endeavors.

Dennis Rader facts

 

[Megnut]

SG did an interview earlier today when he described witnesses "putting their foot down" in regards to Kohberger attempting to purchase another knife. I believe he is talking about his family members, and do believe this is going to be true.

Because think about it. He's searching Amazon for a knife that is readily available, yet apparently did not make that purchase. Something like this explains it perfectly, and does jibe with Blum's (I know) reporting that members of the family were suspicious.

It defies sensibility that he used a family account to shop for, buy, then shop again for a military grade knife.

Beggars belief.

JMO