4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

[SteveP]

It is the creepiest of his photos. I scroll quickly when it comes up here.

The jail seems to be keeping a lid on how their prisoner is doing. You usually hear snippets-quiet, doesn’t like the food, etc. No info at all-a good thing that shows everyone understands their job.

The thing that I am wondering is whether BK still had that photo on his phone, when he was arrested, or whether he had deleted it, but LE were able to recover it. He had to know, at some point, that he was, at the very least, A suspect, if not THE suspect in the murders, as seems to be borne out by the wearing of gloves at home, and the separation of his trash from that of the family, placing his in a neighbor's bin. As much excitement or arousal as he probably derived from reliving the murders when looking at it, surely he had to know that THAT picture, along with THAT date and time stamp, would act as an exclamation mark on his proclamation of responsibility for the deaths of Maddie, Kaylee, Xana, and Ethan.

Seems like yet another instance of the smartest man in any room, not really being so smart after all. JMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I also suspect this would have not been the last time he did it... just maybe the first. I honestly think he was fascinated with serial killers and wanted to be known as the Knife Sheath Serial Killer.

RSFF

I don't know about the Knife Sheath Killer part, but I agree 100% that he wanted to be a serial killer. That picture to me isn't that much different from those where a hunter has a picture of their first buck. (It makes me sick just typing that but I hope you guys know what I am trying to say.)

Except he could hardly photograph himself with his "kills."

 

[Love Never Fails]

I know, you put it so well describes how so many of us feel. IMO It’s incomprehensible to anyone that has the ability to feel empathy and compassion like us here on WS.
I don’t think a person capable of butchering 4 people in their sleep has an ounce of empathy or compassion for anyone. IMO their minds are so sick and twisted, their acts so evil, no words or legit diagnosis can describe the depths of depravity it takes to do something so brutal and heinous. Four, 4! young college students with their whole lives ahead of them slaughtered in ambush attack in their sleep (the killer imo BK assumed they were all asleep before going in). As you say LNF and I agree, who could do this to them their sweet faces is unconscionable, and my heart too breaks for them and all their families and loved ones, and the community. The collateral damage done here spreads wide and far, it’s so sad.

Just as an aside, I personally don’t consider anti-social PD and/or psychopathy to be mental disorders/illnesses that should be in the DSM-V. IMO need to be taken out of the DSM and put into a category/classification of their own/in some other book so to speak because imo these are the most dangerous that walk amongst us in society. I’d be interested in @BeginnerSleuther expertise and opinion on this because I feel like something more needs to be done to identify/recognize the warning flags but on the other hand, I do understand that many of these offenders usually don’t seek out/
not in treatment and if they are, can be so manipulative it’s hard even for MH practitioners to determine which antisocial psychopathic individuals are at risk/capable of escalating to homicidal maniacs-jmo description.

At any rate, I know it’s not so cut and dried and so many other factors could be involved. I’m not a medical professional or expert it’s just I have no other way to describe people capable of such horror other than sheer Evil which is not a legit MH diagnosis. IMO APD/psychopathy to such a degree needs to be an island of its own/in another book so to speak, if that makes sense.

JMunexpertO

ETA-clarity because posting from phone and once again, fast fingers ugh.

You said it all so well. I’m just a lay person but I have always held the strong opinion of not feeling at all sorry or sympathetic towards a murderer. Doctors can say they are mentally ill all they want but it takes pure evil to murder someone. I’m talking about intentionally taking a life and enjoying it. I can’t even think of killing an innocent animal. So mental illness should never be allowed as a defense.

I’m thinking of the Andrea Yates case in Texas. I grew up there and she didn’t live far away and it was all over the news how she drowned her five (5!) boys in the bathtub. The oldest ran from her as he didn’t want to die. Doctors said she had post partum depression. I get that. But I did not feel sorry for her. Evil overtook her and tough for her but she isn’t dead. Her boys are. Evil is evil and cannot and should not be excused.

 

[Warwick7]

The thing that I am wondering is whether BK still had that photo on his phone, when he was arrested, or whether he had deleted it, but LE were able to recover it. He had to know, at some point, that he was, at the very least, A suspect, if not THE suspect in the murders, as seems to be borne out by the wearing of gloves at home, and the separation of his trash from that of the family, placing his in a neighbor's bin. As much excitement or arousal as he probably derived from reliving the murders when looking at it, surely he had to know that THAT picture, along with THAT date and time stamp, would act as an exclamation mark on his proclamation of responsibility for the deaths of Maddie, Kaylee, Xana, and Ethan.

Seems like yet another instance of the smartest man in any room, not really being so smart after all. JMO

Yes, I agree!
On the other hand, this is a man who at his dad's home wore gloves but left a Walmart receipt on his bathroom shelf.
A man who took off his shower curtain off but left the tag to the Dickies coveralls.

M00...he left that pic on his phone.

 

[Love Never Fails]

@Fleur-de-lis , you are good!

I never thought about the bruise/mark on the inside of his hand coming from digging a hole with a shovel (to presumably bury the knife and coveralls). Thank you for that idea.

The other thought I had about the selfie was that he didn't have any friends, that I think he was "documenting" the process for himself. He is a loner. He wanted a photo of himself after he had killed them. That photo allows him to more vividly RE-LIVE and FANTASIZE about the murders he did. Sort of admiring himself as now a murderer and soon to be "famous" serial killer. I'll bet he viewed that 1 photo on his phone many times every single day after the murders. He may have even had a notebook with his notes (or digital version) but I think we would have heard about that already. I'll bet he was even more proud of himself that he planned to kill one woman, but ended up killing 4 people. He was not just a murderer.. but a man who killed 4 people. He must think he was destined for greatness.

I also suspect this would have not been the last time he did it... just maybe the first. I honestly think he was fascinated with serial killers and wanted to be known as the Knife Sheath Serial Killer. < Yeh, I know that is a stretch but I suspect he (ignorantly) left the sheath there on purpose as his calling card. To be done again and again.

People like this are hard for most of us to understand. We can't imagine someone not feeling guilt or not eventually "chickening out" when planning such an attack on a totally innocent person.

Maybe he planned the selfie for IF he got away with the murders so he could share it with other known serial killers. Just a thought.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Yes, I agree!
On the other hand, this is a man who at his dad's home wore gloves but left a Walmart receipt on his bathroom shelf.
A man who took off his shower curtain off but left the tag to the Dickies coveralls.

M00...he left that pic on his phone.

A brain that is disorganized.

 

[RatFace]

One more remark about the frightening thumbs- up selfie -- knuckles are white when hand is gripping hard, when it's swollen, or skin is dry and tight. I think it's swollen, and the thumb blister (MOO that it's a blister) could be from digging with a shovel. MOO about state of his hand.

The knuckles were strikingly white. No matter how hard I make a fist, I can't get them that white. I agree, there must have been something else going on. Swelling seems most likely. His hand (except for knuckles) looks purplish to me.

 

[Peppery]

Bringing this topic over from the last thread

Trial is expected to last three months. In two phases -- trial and penalty. Original proposed schedule -- starting in JUNE, running/ruining the ENTIRE SUMMER.

Concession, now it'll run in/ ruin the fall. (I vaguely recall that maybe AT DID WANT a split presentation, the first in May, the second in the fall.) Judge split the difference. Back to back phases, pushed back to fall.

JMO


Good breakdown of the timeline for trial, Defense and State deadlines.

"The jury trial will now begin on August 11, 2025 and run through November 7, 2025. It was previously scheduled to begin in June 2025 and last three months."

Kohberger trial moved back to start in August 2025

Bryan Kohberger, the man charged with murdering four University of Idaho students, now has a new trial date.

www.boisestatepublicradio.org

I’ve been here since the beginning but I’m wondering if I’ll be able to follow the trial. I’ll be sending one of my kids off to a huge state university in August and I’m already nervous. He thinks I’m being dramatic and overprotective but that’s how moms are. This is the most terrifying case I’ve ever followed besides Abby and Libby.

 

[iamshadow21]

The knuckles were strikingly white. No matter how hard I make a fist, I can't get them that white. I agree, there must have been something else going on. Swelling seems most likely. His hand (except for knuckles) looks purplish to me.

Reynauds.

One of his early arrest pictures, his cuffed hands are very red.

It's not trauma, it's circulation.

MOO

 

[Cool Cats]

Appreciation for those of you who have the patience to dig up all the case documents.

I, for one, will be very relieved when we no longer have to contend with documents stating “Comes now, Bryan C. Kohberger, by and through his attorneys of record…”

Waiting for the day he’s behind bars for good, and in the rear-view mirror for all of us.

Most particularly for the sake of the families.

JMO

He has been behind bars for good since December 30th 2022.

The bars will change to prison bars but it's the same point ... he is locked up for good.

Only exception is jury acquittal.

 

[SteveP]

You said it all so well. I’m just a lay person but I have always held the strong opinion of not feeling at all sorry or sympathetic towards a murderer. Doctors can say they are mentally ill all they want but it takes pure evil to murder someone. I’m talking about intentionally taking a life and enjoying it. I can’t even think of killing an innocent animal. So mental illness should never be allowed as a defense.

I’m thinking of the Andrea Yates case in Texas. I grew up there and she didn’t live far away and it was all over the news how she drowned her five (5!) boys in the bathtub. The oldest ran from her as he didn’t want to die. Doctors said she had post partum depression. I get that. But I did not feel sorry for her. Evil overtook her and tough for her but she isn’t dead. Her boys are. Evil is evil and cannot and should not be excused.

Probably not a popular opinion, but I largely agree with you. I do recognize that there are very many millions of people in this country who have varying degrees of some sort of mental illness, but learn to cope and live relatively normal, happy lives. I believe that "mentally ill" has become a catch-all way of excusing many extreme, especially violent behaviors. I am not a mental health professional at all, but I believe that research is beginning to validate the belief that we all are born with a sense of right and wrong, of good and bad, a moral code, that is developed as we grow. Do I believe that there are people who are unable to distinguish right from wrong? Yes, I do, but I believe it is only a very miniscule percentage of the people for whom it is used as an excuse for bad behavior. I believe that BK fully knows good from evil, and purposely chose evil JMO

ETA...I do realize that we, as a nation, need to do more to provide help for those with mental health issues, who may not have to resources to get help. I do not think this would apply to BK.

https://www.cnn.com/2014/02/12/us/baby-lab-morals-ac360/index.html

 

[RatFace]

Reynauds.

One of his early arrest pictures, his cuffed hands are very red.

It's not trauma, it's circulation.

MOO

Interesting. From Mayo Clinic: "Experts don't fully understand the cause of Raynaud's attacks. But blood vessels in the hands and feet appear to react too strongly to cold temperatures or stress." There may have been some swelling in addition.

 

[Warwick7]

Yes, I agree!
On the other hand, this is a man who at his dad's home wore gloves but left a Walmart receipt on his bathroom shelf.
A man who took off his shower curtain off but left the tag to the Dickies coveralls.

M00...he left that pic on his phone.

Also:

The knife/sheath/sharpener purchases, appears to have been made on a family member’s account. How "dumb" is that.

Sounds like a family member is now a witnesses to verify the purchase was made, and BK made it.

Sounds like LE has:
Amazon activity
Items he viewed
Put into his cart
His debit card info
How "dumb: is that.

Then there is dna on the sheath.
Left it behind at the crime scene. Purchase of the matching knife. Attempted purchase of another knife after the murders.

Out driving at a time consistent with the murderer, in the same type of car and...oh yeah which happened to be missing a front license plate.

Turns off his phone minutes into his drive, which is then is off the entire murder slot.

Then there is a dozen late night trips to the area, yet none after his last trip that morning at 9:02am.

10:31am picture is in chronological order. It isn't taken at 9:13 or 9:15 (because he's sitting and watching outside that house).

 

[Love Never Fails]

Probably not a popular opinion, but I agree with you. I do recognize that there are very many millions of people in this country who have varying degrees of some sort of mental illness, but learn to cope and live normal, happy lives. I believe that "mentally ill" has become a catch-all way of excusing any extreme, especially violent behavior. I am not a mental health professional at all, but I believe that research is beginning to validate the belief that we all are born with a sense of right and wrong, of good and bad, a moral code, that is developed as we grow. Do I believe that there are people who are unable to distinguish right from wrong? Yes, I do, but I believe it is only a very miniscule percentage of the people for whom it used as an excuse for bad behavior. I believe that BK fully knows good from evil, and purposely chose evil JMO

https://www.cnn.com/2014/02/12/us/baby-lab-morals-ac360/index.html

Yes I agree. Pure evil is upon us. I knew from a young age right from wrong. I do not believe I was taught that at a very early age. I just knew. And when I lied, I knew better. I only remember two spankings in my life. One from each parent. And I very much deserved both spankings. And I didn’t do those things again. As a teen, I would be “grounded” for talking back or doing something I knew I shouldn’t. But I always knew.
It is my opinion that people who try getting away with something know what they did. BL knew it and planned it. Evil monster.

 

[Warwick7]

Yes I agree. Pure evil is upon us. I knew from a young age right from wrong. I do not believe I was taught that at a very early age. I just knew. And when I lied, I knew better. I only remember two spankings in my life. One from each parent. And I very much deserved both spankings. And I didn’t do those things again. As a teen, I would be “grounded” for talking back or doing something I knew I shouldn’t. But I always knew.
It is my opinion that people who try getting away with something know what they did. BL knew it and planned it. Evil monster.

And as for the planning, he bought that knife 8 months prior.

 

[Sundog]

dbm

 

[Sundog]

dbm

 

[Kalaby]

Apologies if what I ask below has been long established, but I’m just jumping back to posting about this case after a 2-year hiatus.

Has it been confirmed where BK parked immediately before he entered the house a little after 4 a.m.? I saw one recent case video that seems to indicate that he was up behind the house (at least when he was circling/passing by the house in the hour or so prior to the murders), but not sure if it implied that was also his final parking spot before entering the house.

I guess that I assumed that he parked at the front of the house and walked to the rear of the house and through the slider. If he was parked up behind/above the house, would’ve he scrambled down the hill to get directly into the rear yard and then through the back slider and into the house?

Thank you.

 

[Warwick7]

Apologies if what I ask below has been long established, but I’m just jumping back to posting about this case after a 2-year hiatus.

Has it been confirmed where BK parked immediately before he entered the house a little after 4 a.m.? I saw one recent case video that seems to indicate that he was up behind the house (at least when he was circling/passing by the house in the hour or so prior to the murders), but not sure if it implied that was also his final parking spot before entering the house.

I guess that I assumed that he parked at the front of the house and walked to the rear of the house and through the slider. If he was parked up behind/above the house, would’ve he scrambled down the hill to get directly into the rear yard and then through the back slider and into the house?

Thank you.

Gray Hughes first suggest it was right behind the house. Later, by using the doc dump he changes it to being parked on the side then BK slips into the back sliding glass door.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1902483590212091940

https://twitter.com/x/status/1902793107705565315

https://twitter.com/x/status/1903556085971386473

 

[browneyes]

This evil creature is why I always lock my bedroom door at night since my husband died. Not that I am armed or anything, but I won’t be ambushed while I sleep.