4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

[MassGuy]

I have begun to think after 4:12am when she gets off tictok, maybe 4:14 she leaves her bedroom to go to the bathroom (or get a drink) she sees him and yells "someone's here."

He sees her and runs after her to her bedroom...

Yup. I love that idea. She’d probably have trash to throw away at some point too (from her food order).

Several ways they could have bumped into one another.

 

[wendy44]

BBM

The Director of compliance certification, which described the 7 day retention, was referring to the GLDC file in this case.
GLDC FILE NUMBER 3586353
Page 9

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-States+Reply+to+Defendants+Objection+to+the+States+MIL+RE+ATT+Timing+Advance+Records.pdf

SR
page 4
The AT&T Timing Advance data was obtained by the FBI. using an internal source at AT&T. Mr. Boyd Jackson, who is not associated with the GLDC working group. GLDC was not used to obtain this data. A forensic examination of the AT&T Timing Advance records in the State's possession show Mr. Jackson's association with the reports.

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https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032625+Defendants+Notice+of+Filing+Affidavit+iso+Obj+to+the+States+MIL+RE+ATT+Timing+Advance+Records.pdf

JMO

Mr. Gordon may have been the one to respond, and possibly because Timing Advance Records are now under the GLDC, but he specifically was responding to the 22 December 2022 search warrant that Sy Ray is calling out.

I am qualified to authenticate records responsive to the attached Search Warrant dated 12/22/22 because I am familiar with how the records were created, managed, stored, and retrieved.

In his affidavit, Sy Ray omits the part of that sentence, that the CoA is authenticating the records attached to that 22 Dec 2022 search warrant. The CoA says in response to that search warrant, the one Sy Ray is calling out as having produced the missing records, that they did not produce the records for BK's phone and they could not because more than 7 days had elapsed since the time frame specified.

Sy Ray also acknowledges that while Mr. Gordon wrote this CoA, neither he nor the GLDC was involved with the Timing Advance Records. So, while this may be a GLDC file, the CoA is not referencing records obtained under the GLDC--it's referencing the records from that 22 December 2022 search warrant that Sy Ray says contained the missing records. And ATT&T certified they didn't provide BK's records in response to that warrant because more than 7 days had passed since the desired time frame. Sy Ray doesn't say anywhere in his affidavit he knows that 7 day claim to be untrue. He just says he knows it was possible to obtain records and the proof is in the records obtained immediately following the murders.
JMO

 

[wendy44]

I have begun to think after 4:12am when she gets off tictok, maybe 4:14 she leaves her bedroom to go to the bathroom (or get a drink) she sees him and yells "someone's here."

He sees her and runs after her to her bedroom...

DM said in her interviews that she heard KG run down the stairs and heard KG say someone was there. I kind of wonder it was XK. Maybe she heard all the noise upstairs and went up there to check it out. And then ran down the stairs yelling that someone was there.
JMO

 

[Diddian]

I thought saw that it was paid for with a gift card somewhere.

Interesting, if so.

For a recent whole house remodel (now done), I used self storage units at two different locations to store all my household furnishings. Unlike when I’ve used such units before - when I arranged the rental with a person at a front desk onsite, these recent rental transactions were arranged as follows: at one place the rental agreement was made entirely online and payments each month were charged to the credit card with which I made the original arrangements, and at the other place the rental agreement was made at an unmanned kiosk onsite and payments each month were charged to the credit card with which I made the original rental arrangement. Over the course of eight months, I never met face to face with anyone although I did provide an email address and a cellphone number.

I have often wondered if BK rented a small unit in Clarkston, WA or Lewiston, ID (towns large enough not to stand out) using a false name, an email address attributed to that false name, a burner phone, and a prepaid “gift” credit card and then used his long drive after the murders to deliver select pieces of evidence to that storage. As I’ve mentioned before, I suspect BK would hang onto the knife as something dear to him after the murders (and must have been angry to have lost the sheath which he likely also considered dear), so have a hard time imagining him tossing the knife into the river - even as he may have done with bloody clothing items. (ETA: Learning recently that the storage unit available to him at his WSU apartment had been unused made me wonder once again about an offsite storage possibility for those things he’d want not so readily connected to himself. Maybe there is a Pennsylvania license plate also stored at such a facility since shortly after the murders?)

Would LE have done such an extensive search along BK’s driving route as to check storage unit places in those two towns (which must have many)?

 

[MassGuy]

Interesting, if so.

For a recent whole house remodel (now done), I used self storage units at two different locations to store all my household furnishings. Unlike when I’ve used such units before - when I arranged the rental with a person at a front desk onsite, these recent rental transactions were arranged as follows: at one place the rental agreement was made entirely online and payments each month were charged to the credit card with which I made the original arrangements, and at the other place the rental agreement was made at an unmanned kiosk onsite and payments each month were charged to the credit card with which I made the original rental arrangement. Over the course of eight months, I never met face to face with anyone although I did provide an email address and a cellphone number.

I have often wondered if BK rented a small unit in Clarkston, WA or Lewiston, ID (towns large enough not to stand out) using a false name, an email address attributed to that false name, a burner phone, and a prepaid “gift” credit card and then used his long drive after the murders to deliver select pieces of evidence to that storage. As I’ve mentioned before, I suspect BK would hang onto the knife as something dear to him after the murders (and must have been angry to have lost the sheath which he likely also considered dear), so have a hard time imagining him tossing the knife into the river - even as he may have done with bloody clothing items. (ETA: Learning recently that the storage unit available to him at his WSU apartment had been unused made me wonder once again about an offsite storage possibility for those things he’d want not so readily connected to himself. Maybe there is a Pennsylvania license plate also stored at such a facility since shortly after the murders?)

Would LE have done such an extensive search along BK’s driving route as to check storage unit places in those two towns (which must have many)?

I just don't see him being that sophisticated (using false information). If he was reluctant to dispose of the knife, I think he would have buried it. That way he could retrieve it at a later date, once things cooled off.

 

[Diddian]

I just don't see him being that sophisticated (using false information). If he was reluctant to dispose of the knife, I think he would have buried it. That way he could retrieve it at a later date, once things cooled off.

It’s just so odd to me that after taking the long southern and then northern way home to Pullman after the 4 am murders in Moscow, he went south once again around noon or so (after having driven to Moscow again around 9 am and then returning to Pullman). Seems possible he was returning south for a reason important to him (maybe for one more check of the then-stored away duffle bag or backpack for the missing sheath?…) as surely there are Albertson’s stores or equivalents closer to his apartment than Clarkston.

And if he wasn’t so sophisticated as to use false information, then such a storage unit would be easier to find.

 

[jepop]

We did worry, or I did anyway, but neither the state, nor the defense objected to the demolition of the house, and honestly, with trial starting almost three years after the murders, a boarded up, chain-link-fence-enclosed house of horrors would have been a daily reminder that most of the citizens of the town likely did not wish to have to look at, understandably so. Both the state and defense each had access to the house for 2 days before demolition, to prepare for creation of models, take measurements and photos, and trial prep.

And besides, I think we have seen enough in these court filings to know that were 1122 King Rd still there, defense would still find countless things about it to object to. JMO

Hah, exactly. Apologies for late responses. Am trying to catch up a little and reading posts from a few days ago. I would say too that in addition to the model there are surely countless photos, floor plans and so forth.

I recall at the time there was some speculation here on WS about a possible jury visit. But Imo there is no way that a jury would ever have got the go ahead from the court to visit the crime scene /house. And anyway with the change of venue which the defense worked for and got, a jury visit would definately present logistical issues just for starters if the house was still there.

Putting aside some family members' personal feelings about the demolition for the moment, for trial purposes there was no reason to keep the house preserved. Like you say neither d or p objected to the proposed demolition and were given ample opportunity to visit/ take measurements or whatever for modelling purposes. Moo

 

[Warwick7]

DM said in her interviews that she heard KG run down the stairs and heard KG say someone was there. I kind of wonder it was XK. Maybe she heard all the noise upstairs and went up there to check it out. And then ran down the stairs yelling that someone was there.
JMO

Now that you have said that, I wonder if he was running down the steps to get away, saw XK, she yelled "someone is here." And he chased her to her bedroom.

He runs down the stairs and chases XK to her bedroom.

 

[Warwick7]

Wouldn't have been something if KB thought that he could come in and kill MM and leave. Maybe he had hopes that someone else, another roommate, would be blamed for her death.

 

[INfisherman]

I drifted past the Konig stuff and rest is a hoot!
GH and his bro talk computer is a awesome!!

The caterpillars!!


Absolutely priceless!

 

[Warwick7]

Just watched 48 Hours on Idaho. That ME or whatever you call her gave KG's parents alot of information before the gag order took place.

 

[Warwick7]

The caterpillars!!

View attachment 575217
Absolutely priceless!

I know right!!

 

[katydid23]

Mr. Gordon may have been the one to respond, and possibly because Timing Advance Records are now under the GLDC, but he specifically was responding to the 22 December 2022 search warrant that Sy Ray is calling out.

I am qualified to authenticate records responsive to the attached Search Warrant dated 12/22/22 because I am familiar with how the records were created, managed, stored, and retrieved.

In his affidavit, Sy Ray omits the part of that sentence, that the CoA is authenticating the records attached to that 22 Dec 2022 search warrant. The CoA says in response to that search warrant, the one Sy Ray is calling out as having produced the missing records, that they did not produce the records for BK's phone and they could not because more than 7 days had elapsed since the time frame specified.

Sy Ray also acknowledges that while Mr. Gordon wrote this CoA, neither he nor the GLDC was involved with the Timing Advance Records. So, while this may be a GLDC file, the CoA is not referencing records obtained under the GLDC--it's referencing the records from that 22 December 2022 search warrant that Sy Ray says contained the missing records. And ATT&T certified they didn't provide BK's records in response to that warrant because more than 7 days had passed since the desired time frame. Sy Ray doesn't say anywhere in his affidavit he knows that 7 day claim to be untrue. He just says he knows it was possible to obtain records and the proof is in the records obtained immediately following the murders.
JMO

"And ATT&T certified they didn't provide BK's records in response to that warrant because more than 7 days had passed since the desired time frame. Sy Ray doesn't say anywhere in his affidavit he knows that 7 day claim to be untrue. He just says he knows it was possible to obtain records and the proof is in the records obtained immediately following the murders."
JMO

The above^^^ statement from your post is a perfect clarification of this confusing issue between the D and P. I really hope Judge H issues a clarification himself so we can move on from it.

 

[jepop]

I definitely see this case going to trial, but IF it does not, who moves first? Does Kohberger's team approach the state, offering to plead guilty in exchange for LWOP, or does the state approach the defense with an offer to take the DP off the table in exchange for a guilty plea? Do the teams wait almost until time for the trial to begin before talking about a plea deal? Have either already floated the idea?

I still don't know that a plea deal would be offered, or accepted if offered. I think we all believe that the state has a very strong case. The defense and BK must know that the chances of him ever walking away from this, a free man, are slim and none, and with almost every new document dump, slim is running faster to get out of town, if he hasn't already. Does BK really crave the limelight enough to put the families and friends of the murdered kids through the agony of reliving their gruesome murders every day for three months? Does he really think that his team can convince any jury that he is not guilty, while almost surely never allowing them to hear from him on the stand. What do y'all think?

Late again but responding to your questions. I don't think the state will offer a plea deal. The case is too strong.

At one point earlier on I thought there was no way the d would approach the state to try and negotiate a plea. ATM I think there is a chance (after the MIL hearings) the d may try to negotiate a plea. Unlike some others it's just my opinion that BK would take AT's advice and agree to try for a plea if that were to happen. I just think BK does pretty much whatever AT advises. These are just guesses though.

AT may against all odds stick to this innocence narrative and put everything from this point forward into attempting an incompetency argument ( won't fly imo) and when that fails, mitigation at sentencing to avoid the DP. Moo

As to the guilt phase, I personally find it hard to envisage any scenario where BK will be advised to testify if the plan is to continue pursuing the 'my client is innocent your honour' strategy. And what other strategy is there for the d if they don't try to negotiate a plea, or if they do so and are knocked back.

Have no idea what the state would do if defense were to make the first move towards a plea. It's possible prosecutors would consult with the families and I guess it is possible state could decide to nut out LWOP, even if some family members object. These are only random speculative thoughts though. Ultimately I think this will go to trial with BK pleading NG. Jmo.

 

[LinasK]

During COVID I think I paid $27 for a latte from Starbucks when all was said and done.

I hope it was at least a Venti size or larger for that price.

 

[jepop]

THANK YOU for the much needed clarification. I think Sy Ray is making some very bold accusations. It needs to be cleared up. IMO

I'm sure the prosecution will make sure it's cleared up. Sy Ray is heading for a fall imo and the defense will not come out of this well. This is conjecture but moo there is no way the state has been secretly keeping timing advance records from 23 Dec AT&T first warrant from the defense. The state's case is strong, the prosecutor's are not unethical and would not deliberately create a discovery Brady issue. There was no available BK timing advance data for the period specified. Moo

But pretending for a moment that there was, even if the state suffered an inexplicable lapse of ethics and judgement and decided to deliberately withhold timing advance data there would be no self serving rationale for taking such a stupid potentially case changing risk when the evidence of guilt is this good. Moo

IMO: The conclusions Sy Ray draws in his affidavit are unbelievably stupid and will be proved false in good time come the MIL hearings about 10 days from now. Smh in disbelief.

 

[jepop]

DM said in her interviews that she heard KG run down the stairs and heard KG say someone was there. I kind of wonder it was XK. Maybe she heard all the noise upstairs and went up there to check it out. And then ran down the stairs yelling that someone was there.
JMO

Also, depending on when exactly DM heard this, if it was at 4am it may well have been KG hearing door dash get dropped on back porch and perhaps an obligatory knock. KG could have popped down the stairs, saw it was only DD ( maybe saw XK heading out get it if DD dropped at back door as Grey Hughes speculates) and run back up to bed in MM's room. We know from the recent release of camera captures and GH's excellent, detailed rendering that BK isn't entering the house until at the earliest 4.08am. Jmo

In his order re Franks, Judge Hippler mentions this as a possibility, noting there was nothing in the defense proffer that specified when exactly this occurred or even that KG was already murdered at the time. I'll look for the page number and post the link a bit later as I have no more time today!

 

[Warwick7]

Depen

Also, depending on when exactly DM heard this, if it was at 4am it may well have been KG hearing door dash get dropped on back porch and perhaps an obligatory knock. KG could have popped down the stairs, saw it was only DD ( maybe saw XK heading out get it if DD dropped at back door as Grey Hughes speculates) and run back up to bed in MM's room. We know from the recent release of camera captures and GH's excellent, detailed rendering that BK isn't entering the house until at the earliest 4.08am. Jmo

In his order re Franks, Judge Hippler mentions this as a possibility, noting there was nothing in the defense proffer that specified when exactly this occurred or even that KG was already murdered at the time. I'll look for the page number and post the link a bit later as I have no more time today!

BBM
I just finished 48 Hours of the Idaho murder
KG's parents explain it better, but they feel solidly Kaylee fell asleep at 3am.

 

[jepop]

BBM
I just finished 48 Hours of the Idaho murder
KG's parents explain it better, but they feel solidly Kaylee fell asleep at 3am.

Ofcourse it's possible. But moo it's all still speculation. I seem to recall KG and MM were leaving voice mails for MM 's ex Jack ( ?) until around 3.10am. would have to check the PCA though.

 

[jepop]

Ofcourse it's possible. But moo it's all still speculation. I seem to recall KG and MM were leaving voice mails for MM 's ex Jack ( ?) until around 3.10am. would have to check the PCA though.

ETA as a new post (missed edit deadline)

I was mistaken about the late night calls. They're not in the PCA, were reported by msm on the basis of the Goncalves interviews; KG and MM dialed Jack D ( KG's ex, sorry!) about 10 times up until 2.52am ( not 3.10am). That's probably why her folks feel that they were asleep by 3am? I think they were asleep or very drowsy by 4am for sure.

Still think it's possible that KG may have awoken at some point around 4 even if not fully and it may have actually been KG's voice DM heard say 'there's someone here'. The problem with the up and down stairs scenario is that per Hippler the defense did not offer any evidence to support their claim that KG had to have already been killed when the stairs thing happened. I'm assuming it isn't clear from DM's interviews when the stairs thing happened. Was it the same time as there's someone here comment?

Per Hippler, I don't think it's known from DM's statements. DM may have heard KG's voice and not XK's, depending on the timing if KG awoke momentarily around 4am.