4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

[MrsWatson]

Well, since you both have already said what I would have said, I will just chime in with a "me three". He knows that he is almost certainly never going to walk free, but he is going to stay in the limelight as long as he can, before he finally is sentenced to life in a 10x12 cell, if he is lucky., and if the penalty is death, he will likely be tied up in appeals for years and years. JMO

BBM

This is pure speculation on my part, but I think he will go on to become an "expert" prisoner. He'll read law books, write academic papers, maintain a bunch of correspondence, tell his lawyers what to do about his DP appeal. I think he's basking in the attention; nerdy fat Brian the heroin addict is suddenly popular in a certain circle.

This appears to be one of the strongest cases, for the state, that I have ever followed, in my many years here. JMO

Same, my friend, same. I don't see even an iota of a reasonable doubt. In the grand scheme of this case, a drop of unidentified blood in an area not involved in the crime means nothing.

 

[Arkay]

The defense's own DNA expert says that it is BK's DNA on the sheath.

The defense plans to argue that this "fact" does not prove Kohberger was at the crime scene and the knife sheath itself could have been planted by the real perpetrator.

If I were a juror I would reasonably doubt this, because it’s preposterous.

We’ve all said this already once we heard that the D couldn’t get the DNA thrown out, so now they had to change horses midstream.

The brain would have to zigzag in impossible contortions for this to make sense.


JMO and the evidence that has been revealed thus far.

 

[DizzyB]

BBM

This is pure speculation on my part, but I think he will go on to become an "expert" prisoner. He'll read law books, write academic papers, maintain a bunch of correspondence, tell his lawyers what to do about his DP appeal. I think he's basking in the attention; nerdy fat Brian the heroin addict is suddenly popular in a certain circle.

Same, my friend, same. I don't see even an iota of a reasonable doubt. In the grand scheme of this case, a drop of unidentified blood in an area not involved in the crime means nothing.

I think he is dreaming of a collaboration with Katherine Ramsland on a future book.

 

[detectivewannab]

I think he is dreaming of a collaboration with Katherine Ramsland on a future book.

Her book about BK will be interesting after having him as a student.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

If all the vital evidence is suppressed, he would in fact get away with it. Thats the defense's entire game plan.

It’s not just their game plan, it’s all they’ve got.
Sad that they have to try and come up with a plan to try and free a murderer four times over.
He’s not going to get away with it.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

It may be their game plan, but it is a game plan that they surely know is not going to succeed. AT is doing her job, but she has seen all of the evidence, and she knows that she is very unlikely to get enough thrown out that any juror may find reasonable doubt. This appears to be one of the strongest cases, for the state, that I have ever followed, in my many years here. JMO

I think the defense is just trying to save him from the death penalty at this point. That’s not going to be easy either.

 

[Boxer]

I think the defense is just trying to save him from the death penalty at this point. That’s not going to be easy either.

Wonder if he might plead guilty toward the end of his trial, in order to GET the DP by firing squad.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Wonder if he might plead guilty toward the end of his trial, in order to GET the DP by firing squad.

And get famous for being first for firing squad.

 

[NCWatcher]

And get famous for being first for firing squad.

He might be the first in Idaho but hardly the first to be executed by firing squad in modern times. I believe South Carolina executed someone by firing squad just last month. And Utah did in 2010.
MOO

 

[Gigiky]

And someone of similar build and matching brybrows.

The mental gymnastics defy gravity.

Did this twin also steal coveralls, a balaclava from BK? Or BK tossed his purchases because.....?

There's no credible way to construct a SODDI because the SODDI winds up looking just like BK. Timing. Description. Attire. Elantra. Phone hole.

Unless he's an actual twin... with whom he was in lockstep.... and that makes no sense.

It remains that BK has no alibi for 4:09-4:20. His phone was off. His car isn't captured on any cameras anywhere, where previously and later it is.

And somehow the sheath to the Kbar he purchased 8 months prior winds up under the body of one of four victims who were slaughtered. How did it get there? Magic carpet ride? There's no imagination stretch. It was hand delivered, at some point between 4:09 an 4:20, having been couriered there by Elantra from Pullman.

Inventing a third party creates explanation difficulties that aren't supported by the evidence.

JMO

Brybrows

 

[Sachi]

Here for the roommates.

 

[Nila Aella]

Just in relation to the part I bolded in your post above: What's the relevance of BK's number being absent from the 16th/17th Nov 2022 geo fence warrant returns( tower dumps)?
We already know BK's phone was not in the tower dumps for the two hours around the murders, we know it was disconnected from the network. This has been common knowledge since Jan 2023 PCA release.
Just recently it's been confirmed that BK's phone was off (as opposed to out of range or dead battery). Imo this has to have been known to both sides since the forensic analysis of BK's phone was finalised, some time in first half of 2023. Logs very likely showed both turning on and turning off events, just like they did in the Murdaugh trial. Moo

Just showing that the State obtained TARS in 2022.
It may be important when compared to all the drive testing data (270) and TARs.
JMO

Regarding Sy Ray's and the defense's accusations: Imo the x2 AT&T warrants of relevance were issued and returned on 23rd Dec, which is six weeks after 13th Nov. Those warrants sought historical TARs for Nov 14th and earlier. On 23rd Dec 2022 there would have been no TARs for BK earlier than 16th Dec. Imo not retained for more than seven days means not retained for more than seven days. The 23rd Dec warrants did not ask for historical TARs for 16th Dec to 23rd Dec.

BBM

IMO all the Advance timing records are important.

Nov 12-14
any reports of device activity that would include the approximate latitude and longitude of the device at the time of the activity, estimated margin of error, direction and distance from the tower, and other location related information commonly referred to as Real Time Tool (RTT), Timing Advance Information, Location Database ofRecord (LocDBoR). This further includes any other report similar in nature that would provide an estimate of the cellular phone on the Service Provider's network

PTT
Brett Payne, having given me proof, upon oath, this day showing probable cause establishing grounds for issuing a search warrant and probable cause to believe there are records related to the crime(s) of homicide at 1122 King Road, Moscow,
historic call detail records for the telephone number 509-592-8458 with cell sites for all voice, sms, and data connections between June 23, 2022, to present, to include:

Usage and Location Information, including stored and transactional records for all voice, sms and data connections such as inbound and outbound call, message, radio or other communication detail data, together with date and time of each communication; including positioning information such as GPS longitude/latitude or multilateration or precision location, historical and prospective cell site location information (CSLI), or other information tending to reveal the proximate or precise location ofthe device associated with the above-identified target address; E911 data for the target address; and, for internet communications, detail such as IP address, Port, Socket Address, VoIP address, routing information; the address(es) from which the communication is made, conducted, and terminated; non-content text or email, header, IP address; and other non-content information; and

such as cell site positioning information, GPS longitude/latitude or multilateration or precision location (including RTT and LocDBoR reports or similarly generated location information), Timing Advance and/or True Call or other information tending to reveal the proximate or precise location ofthe device associated with the target address

BP
The warrant was served on 12/23/2022, by sending to FBI for service, as FBI hosted the Pen Register and Precision Location response portion ofthis warrant

FBI request

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-States+Reply+to+Defendants+Objection+to+the+States+MIL+RE+ATT+Timing+Advance+Records.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2024/121924-Reply-PAs-Objection-Motion-Suppress-Memo-Pen-Trap-Trace.pdf

ATT March 2023

For the time period of: June 23, 2022, to August 1, 2022
AT&T Wirelus Number: Subscriber Name: Unknown at this time
AT&TWireless Number: Subscriber Name: Unknown at this time
To include both Historical Records and Real Time/Provisional Records

Location information can be inthe form of historical records. This would include any reports of device activity that would include the approximate latitude and longitude of the device at the time of the activity, estimated margin of error, direction and distance from the tower, and other location related information commonly referred to as Real Time Tool (RTT), Timing Advance Information, Location Database of Record (LocDBoR). This further includes any other report similar in nature that would provide an estimate of the cellular phone on the Service Provider’s network.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR29-22-2805/053123+Order+to+Seal++Redact+-+ATT.pdf

JMO

 

[AcerPacer]

Trying to figure this out because I obviously don't have an Amazon account that differentiates who bought what unless it is going to a separate address or using a different card. You say "we know it couldn't have been BKs account". Do we know that? For sure?

Then you mention knowledge of BKs Amazon custom name, email and phone number that places the order. Is there an Amazon type of account that has these separately for a family for purchases on the same account? Mine doesn't, but it's older than dirt. My D has a user account on my account because we were in the same house, but it's only associated with Prime video, music, etc. Not with the purchasing account.

Is there such a thing as a fami

 

[INfisherman]

Brybrows

Woollybergers.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Matthew Mueller DID leave his phone behind at a crime scene and it helped catch and convict him.

Leopold and Loeb
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In 1924 Nathan Leopold accidentally dropped his glasses while he and Richard Loeb were hiding little Bobby Franks body. The hinge on the specs were a new design only carried by one office, and only 3 pairs were sold. The other two had solid alibis. Within days these 2 college students were arrested.

 

[Warwick7]

Leopold and Loeb
​

In 1924 Nathan Leopold accidentally dropped his glasses while he and Richard Loeb were hiding little Bobby Franks body. The hinge on the specs were a new design only carried by one office, and only 3 pairs were sold. The other two had solid alibis. Within days these 2 college students were arrested.

Had never heard of this so I did a bit of research. This is exactly what BK was attempting. M00

Nathan Freudenthal Leopold Jr. and Richard Albert Loeb were two American students at the University of Chicago who kidnapped and murdered 14-year-old Bobby Franks in Chicago, Illinois, United States, on May 21, 1924.

They committed the murder – characterized at the time as "the crime of the century" – hoping to demonstrate superior intellect, which they believed enabled and entitled them to carry out a "perfect crime" without consequences.

 

[Boxer]

But that’s what I say. In the party house there are tons of DNAs. People living in the vicinity are not always the most upstanding citizens. Some were arrested in WA and then case closed, another big question but probably to my state, why it was closed, Surely involves lots of work, pois, maybe suspects. The police has to check everyone’s alibi. Leaving a sheath in that room is the great way to direct the investigation.

And imagine it were not a knife, but an iPhone? Don’t you think the conclusion would have been the same? “A phone with a person’s DNA, probably lost it and didn’t notice, he didn’t belong in that house.”

Anyhow - you explain that the source of the other DNA could have been scratched. Did they look at his scratches after the murder? No, and they were slow with that DNA. But, if the victim could have scratched someone in a bar, someone could have placed that sheath in the room.

Any item found next to a murder victim is top priority.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Any item found next to a murder victim is top priority.

It goes nowhere near reasonable doubt to imagine that somehow someone stole BK's knife sheath and planted it under the body of a knife murder victim. Oh and the knife is missing too...Did BK report a burglary? Did he report his knife and balaclava were stolen? I didn't think so...

 

[jepop]

Just showing that the State obtained TARS in 2022.
It may be important when compared to all the drive testing data (270) and TARs.
JMO

BBM

IMO all the Advance timing records are important.

Nov 12-14
any reports of device activity that would include the approximate latitude and longitude of the device at the time of the activity, estimated margin of error, direction and distance from the tower, and other location related information commonly referred to as Real Time Tool (RTT), Timing Advance Information, Location Database ofRecord (LocDBoR). This further includes any other report similar in nature that would provide an estimate of the cellular phone on the Service Provider's network

PTT
Brett Payne, having given me proof, upon oath, this day showing probable cause establishing grounds for issuing a search warrant and probable cause to believe there are records related to the crime(s) of homicide at 1122 King Road, Moscow,
historic call detail records for the telephone number 509-592-8458 with cell sites for all voice, sms, and data connections between June 23, 2022, to present, to include:

Usage and Location Information, including stored and transactional records for all voice, sms and data connections such as inbound and outbound call, message, radio or other communication detail data, together with date and time of each communication; including positioning information such as GPS longitude/latitude or multilateration or precision location, historical and prospective cell site location information (CSLI), or other information tending to reveal the proximate or precise location ofthe device associated with the above-identified target address; E911 data for the target address; and, for internet communications, detail such as IP address, Port, Socket Address, VoIP address, routing information; the address(es) from which the communication is made, conducted, and terminated; non-content text or email, header, IP address; and other non-content information; and

such as cell site positioning information, GPS longitude/latitude or multilateration or precision location (including RTT and LocDBoR reports or similarly generated location information), Timing Advance and/or True Call or other information tending to reveal the proximate or precise location ofthe device associated with the target address

BP
The warrant was served on 12/23/2022, by sending to FBI for service, as FBI hosted the Pen Register and Precision Location response portion ofthis warrant

FBI request
View attachment 575892

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-States+Reply+to+Defendants+Objection+to+the+States+MIL+RE+ATT+Timing+Advance+Records.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2024/121924-Reply-PAs-Objection-Motion-Suppress-Memo-Pen-Trap-Trace.pdf

ATT March 2023

For the time period of: June 23, 2022, to August 1, 2022
AT&T Wirelus Number: Subscriber Name: Unknown at this time
AT&TWireless Number: Subscriber Name: Unknown at this time
To include both Historical Records and Real Time/Provisional Records

Location information can be inthe form of historical records. This would include any reports of device activity that would include the approximate latitude and longitude of the device at the time of the activity, estimated margin of error, direction and distance from the tower, and other location related information commonly referred to as Real Time Tool (RTT), Timing Advance Information, Location Database of Record (LocDBoR). This further includes any other report similar in nature that would provide an estimate of the cellular phone on the Service Provider’s network.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR29-22-2805/053123+Order+to+Seal++Redact+-+ATT.pdf

JMO

Thanks. I can see that the later AT&T warrant you link to which is dated March 2023, seeks records include timing advance for time period June to Aug 2022. Although it's not clear who's records this warrant may relate to, as the request was made prior to June 2023 and the records sought are for data older than 7 days, the return would not have included timing advance data in my opinion. These are requessts, and don't detail the actual content of the returns.

Anyway we'll find out how little truth or not is in the defense's accusations very soon at the MIL hearing. I think it's looking very bad for Sy Ray and the defense on this matter. My conjecture of course.

 

[browneyes]

If all the vital evidence is suppressed, he would in fact get away with it. Thats the defense's entire game plan.

Not gonna happen. He’s toast. IMO