4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

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  • #901
I ran across a GH 3D model that some of you have likely seen, but posting as some may not have. I've cued it up to the start of the animation. Also note that GH was wrong about the empty bedroom to the right of the front door. There wasn't a roommate staying there as we all know. BF was in the 1st floor bedroom to the left of the front door.

I like how he took the 3rd floor and roof off to show us someone walking through the 2nd floor.

 
  • #902
I’m following Maddie Soto’s murder case, too, and so much is being released about alleged CSA/murderer Stephan Stern’s phone calls with parents and his quirky requests for stuff like root beer candy and finding his “gray mouse.” A major point of discussion on that thread is the recordings of numerous jail phone calls between SS and his parents.

I believe we know BK has a tablet in his cell, which I assume has calling capabilities.

I am curious about parallels or non, between the jail experiences of Kohberger and Sterns.
  • Wondering why we don’t know what kind of things BK orders from commissary?
  • Who, if anyone, puts money in BK’s jail commissary account?
  • Are there similar or dissimilar behaviors and/or complaints reported for both SS and BK? Refusing to shower? Special diets?
  • Does Idaho allow BK non-attorney phone calls through his tablet?
  • Does BK talk with his parents? Or sisters?
  • If BK talks to folks outside privileged communication, why aren’t recordings of those calls released.
I am certain BK’s calls would make for interesting discussions. Would love to know if BK craves root beer barrels. Something tells me he doesn’t skip showers. LOL.
You can be sure they've given him a way to talk to whomever he wants and they're recording everything. Do we know, is BK being kept in solitary?
 
  • #903
I ran across a GH 3D model that some of you have likely seen, but posting as some may not have. I've cued it up to the start of the animation. Also note that GH was wrong about the empty bedroom to the right of the front door. There wasn't a roommate staying there as we all know. BF was in the 1st floor bedroom to the left of the front door.

I like how he took the 3rd floor and roof off to show us someone walking through the 2nd floor.

So eerie, disturbing. Ten minutes with a kbar and defenseless victims is actually a lot of time. Awful.

He had that house mapped or he thinks he has super powers.

He. Is. Terrifying.

JMO
 
  • #904
SBMFF

The D did do further testing.

MIL 5 Inconclusive data
More importantly, Mr. Kohberger has disclosed that through further independent laboratory testing, he is eliminated as a contributor to Item 13.1.

JMO
The state truly does not need to even mention MM's fingernail clippings, although even though the defense team claims that their own testing of clippings exclude BK from being a contributor of a three-person unidentified mix, they seem to be the ones most interested in keeping testimony about them from the jury. With all of the evidence the state has pointing to BK, and only BK, being the killer of Maddie, Kaylee, Ethan, and Xana, I think the only thing they could show a jury that might be stronger than what they already have might be another selfie of him, this time, holding the bloody Kabar, while wearing a black balaclava and standing over one of the victims. The evidence they have, in total, is that strong, I believe. JMO
 
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  • #905
I've just realised what that selfie reminds me of.

Derek Rosa.

I wonder if Rosa was aware of this case, and if it featured in his precrime fantasies.

MOO
 
  • #906
I've just realised what that selfie reminds me of.

Derek Rosa.

I wonder if Rosa was aware of this case, and if it featured in his precrime fantasies.

MOO
Wonder if there’s a chance they somehow communicated at any point in time prior to either crime? Not familiar with the DR case other than a quick Google just a moment ago, so just complete speculation on my part.
 
  • #907
New random thought. Though it has not been mentioned in media (that I have seen) might Xana have been covered with something (like a robe or blanket)? It seemed from the 911 call that HJ did not panic until he saw Ethan (guess on my part based on calling for Ethan after Xana, and what I believe was "oh my God" prior to get out.

It's also possible her injuries were such that the injured side was facing away from view, so looked normalish, but I would think HJ would have seen injuries on Xana right away when he approached.

Anyway, random thought.
 
  • #908
Wonder if there’s a chance they somehow communicated at any point in time prior to either crime? Not familiar with the DR case other than a quick Google just a moment ago, so just complete speculation on my part.
I think not. Rosa committed his crime almost a year after this one, when he was only thirteen. But this story was big, international news. If he watched news media or had access to the internet, he couldn't have avoided it entirely. I do believe that certain sorts of crimes, some perpetrators feed off other people's crimes. We saw it with Richard Ramirez. We saw it with the killers of Brianna Ghey. Certain killers are independent, doing their own thing, but for others, they obviously consider themselves a student of earlier killers. They study, they watch, and they learn, and they fantasise about how they would do it.

BK absolutely fits this category. He made his whole tertiary education career path one long study of how others did it, a protracted homicidal fantasy masked in coursework and paper writing.

MOO
 
  • #909
I think not. Rosa committed his crime almost a year after this one, when he was only thirteen. But this story was big, international news. If he watched news media or had access to the internet, he couldn't have avoided it entirely. I do believe that certain sorts of crimes, some perpetrators feed off other people's crimes. We saw it with Richard Ramirez. We saw it with the killers of Brianna Ghey. Certain killers are independent, doing their own thing, but for others, they obviously consider themselves a student of earlier killers. They study, they watch, and they learn, and they fantasise about how they would do it.

BK absolutely fits this category. He made his whole tertiary education career path one long study of how others did it, a protracted homicidal fantasy masked in coursework and paper writing.

MOO
Wasn’t aware of the age discrepancy. It wouldn’t surprise me if at some point 2 different serial murderers are found to be communicating &/or sharing their hunting grounds, "conquests" or trophies at some point.

I seem to recall in the Killing Season doc a long haul trucker alluded to it occurring 8-10 years ago on bulletin boards but I don’t recall the name of the person who made reference to it.

JMO

ETA corrected doc title
 
  • #910
I think we all realized that AJ would be going on maternity leave soon and therefore the prosecution would need to be bolstered with a new player.

This is just intended as general information: Hurwit has extensive expertise in prosecuting the AK's which are the drug distributors for Mexican Drug Cartels in Idaho. He has also prosecuted financial crimes, hate crimes and child exploitation crimes. Further he has an extensive background in drug prosecutions:


The final quote from Hurwit stated by the female newscaster in this video is very interesting about 2:45:


2:36
Male newscaster: "US attorneys cases involving AK also involve allegations and convictions of extortion, violent assaults, gambling in prison and drug smuggling. As you just heard like many gangs, Hurwit says AK has a hierarchy and sometimes leaders pull people in involuntarily."

Female newscaster: "Yeah, they do. Hurwit says it's surprising how many people outside prison walls, in fact, who've never even served time or met
these gang members will develop relationships, support and commit crimes for inmates."

I'm of a mind that people are not randomly chosen for jobs, particularly in a major criminal case such as this and there is likely some nexus between the Idaho 4 case/specifically BK and Mr. Hurwit's areas of expertise as a prosecutor.

All JMO.
 
  • #911
New random thought. Though it has not been mentioned in media (that I have seen) might Xana have been covered with something (like a robe or blanket)? It seemed from the 911 call that HJ did not panic until he saw Ethan (guess on my part based on calling for Ethan after Xana, and what I believe was "oh my God" prior to get out.

It's also possible her injuries were such that the injured side was facing away from view, so looked normalish, but I would think HJ would have seen injuries on Xana right away when he approached.

Anyway, random thought.

In the texts between the survivors that were released a few weeks ago, BF says that Xana was wearing black.
 
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I assume we don't get that info for two reasons. One, there is a gag order from the judge. While it has been narrowed from the initial order, I can imagine jail staff might still be reluctant to speak out. And two, it may not be the usual practice in that county/state to publicize that kind of information. I don't recall getting that info about Lori Vallow, for example. We did hear from people who had been jailed with her after they were released but I don't recall the jail released information. Maybe I missed it though. I didn't follow the case after she was arrested but before she was tried. In fact, I can recall only two instances where jailhouse pre-trial info was extensively reported-- the Casey Anthony case and the Joni Arias case.
MOO
Delphi's Allen too
 
  • #914
In the texts between the survivors that were released a few weeks ago, BF says that Xana was wearing black.
I cannot say for certain, but I got the impression that neither BF nor DM had seen Xana since she returned home, or may have seen her briefly when she first returned, but BF was describing what Xana was wearing earlier in the evening perhaps, when they all went out for the evening. The partial texts were as follows, and were while DM was explaining to BF that she had seen a figure in black.:

4:23:28 BF to DM “Xana was wearing all black”
4:23:33 DM to BF “I’m freaking out rn”
4:23:42 DM to BF “No it’s like ski mask almost”
4:23:48 BF to DM “Stfu”
4:23:51 BF to DM “Actually”
4:23:52 DM to BF “Like he had soemtbinf over is for head and little nd mouth”

Xana may have still had on her same clothes when murdered, but I would not be surprised if she had changed into pajamas, or whatever she usually slept in, when she got home, and may have had a robe or throw blanket around herself. IT was late November, and temps in the upper 20's, IIRC. JMO
 
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  • #915
This is my impression from the 911 call, combined with some information about HJ’s role, noted in recent court documents:

- At the time the 911 call was placed, BF and DM had only just been told by HJ and/or EA that there was an issue with Xana specifically. The call was placed immediately upon learning this information. We don’t know exactly what led HJ and EA to believe Xana was passed out but there is no indication DM and BF were aware of this prior to hearing it from HJ/EA.
Despite BT saying that the 911 call was placed after discovering X,

In the case at bar, most of the declarations made were present sense impressions. H.J. located the unresponsive body of Xana Kernodle and informed B.F. and D.M. to call 911.

The audio captures HJ discovering E and X on the 911 call.
JMO
Additionally, there is no indication HJ/EA were concerned about the status of KG/MM.
When they are checking on X and E, you can hear someone ask:
Do you know where Kaylee is?
Not included in the transcript, but GH pointed it out.

GH transcript and audio
JMO
- During the 911 call, EA reported that Xana had passed out and was not waking up; she attributed this to Xana drinking heavily the night before. DM and BF sounded more focused on something strange having happened in the house and the masked man sighting and did not report anything about any specific individual. DM even said she did not know when asked by the operator if someone was passed out.

- The 911 operator wanted to focus on what EA had reported about an unconscious person and continually redirected the conversation when DM attempted to raise what the operator presumably felt were less urgent or off-topic concerns (such as the man she’d seen in the house). We don’t know if DM might have mentioned growing concern about other roommates being unresponsive, given the opportunity. We do know DM sent a text to KG less than half an hour prior to the 911 call and the context indicated she was still thinking KG was sleeping.
DM sent a txt to and MM (10:23) and KG (11:29).
No txts/calls to E or X after the sleep break.
JMO

JMO
- When the 911 operator asked for details that would require someone to go up to the main floor to assess Xana, DM can be heard having to convince someone (probably BF) to go upstairs together.
To me it sounds like 3 maybe 4 people.
HJ, BF, DM plus?
JMO
I don’t think it would be unreasonable to guess this was due to them being frightened to go upstairs to the main floor, IMO. If they had been afraid to go up to the main level earlier that morning, they would not have had a path to the top level to consult KG/MM in person.
We have not seen anything to suggest DM thought the unfamiliar masked man was ever on the top floor. She heard him in the vicinity of Xana’s room, heard Xana crying, and saw him walk toward the kitchen on the main floor. It might not have crossed her mind that KG/MM had also been at risk.
As others have mentioned, DM and BF were also the youngest roommates (both sophomores) and neither had lived there very long. I would guess they were used to deferring to the older roommates, especially the seniors, MM/KG. They repeatedly called and texted them to try to get ahold of them and didn’t know they could not wake up and take charge in this circumstance. HJ and EA ultimately took charge of the situation instead.
IMO DM listened to the dispatcher.
Then the group went to check on X.
JMO
It’s possible additional information will be revealed at some point that calls some of the info above into question, but my opinion is based on what has been revealed thus far and a few associated inferences.

As always, MOO.
Additional information:
Declaration of J Roloff

7. As President of Roloff Digital Forensics, I lead a team of digital forensics examiners and support staff who specialize in investigating alleged internet-related crimes and digital evidence obtained from electronic sources. Since founding the firm, we have examined thousands of computer hard drives, mobile devices, and electronic datasets. We regularly advise attorneys on our findings and compare those findings against law enforcement and third-party forensic reports.

8. I’ve been retained as a Digital Forensic Examiner (DFE) to assist Ms. Anne Taylor, Esq. and the defense team in the Idaho vs. Bryan Kohberger case.

9. I have reviewed the documents titled “DM 11.13 Bubble Format” and “BM 11.13 Bubble Format”, which contain data extracted from mobile devices used by individuals identified as “DM” and “BM,” respectively. These documents reflect periods of activity on the mobile devices that would require user interaction with the device for them to occur, specifically for the date of November 13, 2022.

10. The documents include artifacts and content demonstrating a variety of user interactions, including:
• Incoming and outgoing native text messages
• Incoming and outgoing Snapchat message artifacts, indicated by the application identifier “com.toyopagroup.picaboo”
• Voice and video calls conducted via Snapchat and the native phone dialer
• Creation, modification, and deletion of multimedia files such as images and videos
• Application usage logs showing when specific apps were opened and closed
• Internet browsing artifacts and “cookie” data showing access to particular websites or internet-based services


All JMO
 
  • #916
I think we all realized that AJ would be going on maternity leave soon and therefore the prosecution would need to be bolstered with a new player.

This is just intended as general information: Hurwit has extensive expertise in prosecuting the AK's which are the drug distributors for Mexican Drug Cartels in Idaho. He has also prosecuted financial crimes, hate crimes and child exploitation crimes. Further he has an extensive background in drug prosecutions:


The final quote from Hurwit stated by the female newscaster in this video is very interesting about 2:45:


2:36
Male newscaster: "US attorneys cases involving AK also involve allegations and convictions of extortion, violent assaults, gambling in prison and drug smuggling. As you just heard like many gangs, Hurwit says AK has a hierarchy and sometimes leaders pull people in involuntarily."

Female newscaster: "Yeah, they do. Hurwit says it's surprising how many people outside prison walls, in fact, who've never even served time or met
these gang members will develop relationships, support and commit crimes for inmates."

I'm of a mind that people are not randomly chosen for jobs, particularly in a major criminal case such as this and there is likely some nexus between the Idaho 4 case/specifically BK and Mr. Hurwit's areas of expertise as a prosecutor.

All JMO.
Are you are suggesting this is Aryan gang killing. Not a murder the man who's DNA is on the sheath?
 
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  • #918
I cannot say for certain, but I got the impression that neither BF nor DM had seen Xana since she returned home, or may have seen her briefly when she first returned, but BF was describing what Xana was wearing earlier in the evening perhaps, when they all went out for the evening. The partial texts were as follows, and were while DM was explaining to BF that she had seen a figure in black.:

4:23:28 BF to DM “Xana was wearing all black”
4:23:33 DM to BF “I’m freaking out rn”
4:23:42 DM to BF “No it’s like ski mask almost”
4:23:48 BF to DM “Stfu”
4:23:51 BF to DM “Actually”
4:23:52 DM to BF “Like he had soemtbinf over is for head and little nd mouth”

Xana may have still had on her same clothes when murdered, but I would not be surprised if she had changed into pajamas, or whatever she usually slept in, when she got home, and may have had a robe or throw blanket around herself. IT was late November, and temps in the upper 20's, IIRC. JMO

Maybe, but that's all supposition based on no known information that I've seen, whereas we know for a fact that BF said to DM that Xana was wearing all black. Her being dressed in black is a reasonable (and, I'd argue, factual) explanation for why blood on her may not have been immediately spotted by the victims/their friends without relying on just thoughts of what else might have happened.

In other words, we don't really need to take it another step in thinking of scenarios out of the blue for why they didn't see her blood. We already have an explanation that's in the record.

MOO.
 
  • #919
Standing silent is an option but it is uncommon.


In Idaho there are three choices
Not Guilty, Guilty and Standing Silent.
It is probably uncommon for most cases because most cases do not involve a quadruple murder. At this point: BK was professing his innocence, AT just took on the case, AT did not have discovery yet and there was intense public interest/focus. It was a stragetic decision by his attorney. IMO, it is not odd for BK to listen to his attorney's advice.
JMO
 
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