4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

[Megnut]

AT really likes those 7 minutes. In Pullman. Claims it's exculpatory somehow.

Before 3am? She can't even show relevance.

JMO

 

[gremlin444]

Also from the self authentication of records filing:

pg 23 ATT COULD NOT provide Timing Advance Records for BK DESPITE the defense claiming the FBI had it but had not used in phone location mapping and hadn't provided it in discovery
View attachment 573991
pg 56 TMobile did provide Timing Advance Records for 2 people
pg 63 BK's car had 115,000 miles on it on Nov 18, 2022

Also, note the presence of multiple certificates of authentication that the defense claimed they never got...some of which were provided to them in during early investigations at the end of 2022 as well as in 2023.

 

[Warwick7]

Defendant's Reply to State's Response, MIL, RE Vague and Undisclosed Expert Testimony

Whoa.

State's expert has BK in Moscow (utilizing a certain tower) between July 9, 2022 and November 7th, between 10 pm and 4am -- 23 separate times

jmo

o.m.g!!!!!!

 

[Megnut]

Here we go.

• ewOrder Sealing Defendants Proposed Jury Questionnaire
• NewOrder Sealing Defendants Reply
• NewOrder Sealing States Proposed Jury Questionnaire
• NewOrder Sealing States Supplemental Exhibits Expert Disclosures
• NewOrder Sealing States Supplemental Exhibits Regarding Rebuttal Expert Disclosures
• NewNotice of Appearance Allen
• NewStates List of Supplemental Exhibits for Expert Disclosures
• NewStates List of Supplemental Exhibits for Rebuttal Expert Disclosures
• NewStates Motion to Seal Proposed Jury Questionnaire
• NewStates Motion to Seal Supplemental Exhibits For Expert Disclosures
• NewStates Motion to Seal Supplemental Exhibits Regarding Rebuttal Expert Disclosures
• NewStates Reply to Defendants Objection to MIL RE Admissibility of Demonstrative Exhibits
• NewStates Reply to Defendants Objection to MIL RE Self Authentication of Records
• NewStates Reply to Defendants Objection to Motion In Limine RE Text Messages and Testimony
• NewStates Reply to Defendants Objection to States Motion in Limine RE 911 Call
• NewStates Reply to Defendants Objection to the States MIL RE ATT Timing Advance Records
• NewStates Reply to Defendants Response to MIL RE Neuropsychological and Psychiatric Evidence
• NewDefendants Motion to File Reply Under Seal
• NewDefendants Motion to Seal Proposed Jury Questionnaire
• NewDefendants Reply to States Objection to Defendants Motion in Limine 6 RE Nowlin and Touch and Contact DNA
• NewDefendants Reply to States Response to Motion to Preclude the Death Penalty RE Disclosure Violations
• NewDefendants Reply to States Response to Motion to Strike Death Penalty RE Autism Spectrum Disorder
• NewDefendants Reply to States Response to Motion in Limine 13 RE Conditions as Aggravator
• NewDefendants Reply to States Response to Motion in Limine 12 RE Make and Model of Suspect Vehicle
• NewDefendants Reply to States Response to Motion in Limine 9 RE Excluding Amazon Click Activity Evidence at Trial
• NewDefendants Reply to States Response to Motion in Limine 8 RE Unnoticed 404b Evidence
• NewDefendants Reply to States Response to Motion in Limine 7 RE Witness Identification by Bushy Eyebrows
• NewDefendants Reply States Objection Motion in Limine 5 RE Inconclusive Data (Redacted)
• NewDefendants Reply to States Response to Motion in Limine 4 RE Use of the Terms Psychopath or Sociopath
• NewDefendants Reply to States Response to Motion in Limine 3 RE Use of the Term Murder
• NewDefendants Reply to States Response to Motion in Limine 2 RE Vague and Undisclosed Expert Testimony
• NewDefendants Reply to States Response to Motion in Limine 1 RE Inflammatory Evidence

DP/Disclosure Violations

Stop the Irony Bus

AT drafts a 34 page response to argue that the State gave them just too too much discovery, so much they can't get through it all.

Whiny.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

o.m.g!!!!!!

And he was ordering another knife. Lucky he is getting caught now.

 

[Warwick7]

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-Defendants-Reply-States-Resp-Defs-Motion-Strike-Death-Penalty-RE-Autism-Spectrum-Disorder.pdf

He has an inability to assist with mitigation evidence and understand the magnitude of his case. By way of example, when he was arrested in his home, with a full swat team, doors broken, and parents zip tied, he made small talk with the detective in the back of the car during the ride to the police station. He asked the officer about his education and suggested that they get coffee at a later date. He did not perceive the profoundly serious nature of the moment and exhibited no perception of what was happening.

Another o.m.g!!

 

[Diddian]

DP/Disclosure Violations

Stop the Irony Bus

AT drafts a 34 page response to argue that the State gave them just too too much discovery, so much they can't get through it all.

Whiny.

JMO

Didn't she want the trial in early summer?

 

[gremlin444]

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-Defendants-Reply-States-Resp-Defs-Motion-Strike-Death-Penalty-RE-Autism-Spectrum-Disorder.pdf

Well, I guess we can see where the defense is going to go if all their filings are ruled against:

"By way of example, when he was arrested in his home, with a full swat team, doors broken, and parents zip tied, he made small talk with the detective in the back of the car during the ride to the police station. He asked the officer about his education and suggested that they get coffee at a later date. He did not perceive the profoundly serious nature of the moment and exhibited no perception of what was happening. While competency has not been raised in this case, at this time, Mr. Kohberger’s team and assisting experts are constantly analyzing this issue. "

 

[Chloegirl]

The list of items to include when going to a crime scene for his education made me immediately think about people who are crime-scene curious (possibly because of perceived issues not getting the opportunity to join the crime-solvers team) decide they must see for themselves.

THIS is where, a student denied of opportunity to finish a program they began (because the cracks and fissures in their approach became more obvious to the higher-ups for various reasons) might decide to take matters into their own hands, literally. Stress fueling an escalation of behaviors.

They then cross the line to perpetrator, because the original interest was always an underlying quirk that they didn't have an appropriate outlet to explore. In another life, BK might have made an excellent medical examiner, corner, mortician, etc. I don't have anything but smoke and mirrors here but this sounds like motive to me. JMOO

Even that selfie looks like he's trying to belong to the serial killer club. Many folks struggle with how to style themselves but this seems vampiric and completely intentional. Always JMOO.

 

[Tealgrove]

Also:

The knife/sheath/sharpener purchases, appears to have been made on a family member’s account. How "dumb" is that.

Sounds like a family member is now a witnesses to verify the purchase was made, and BK made it.

Sounds like LE has:
Amazon activity
Items he viewed
Put into his cart
His debit card info
How "dumb: is that.

Then there is dna on the sheath.
Left it behind at the crime scene. Purchase of the matching knife. Attempted purchase of another knife after the murders.

Out driving at a time consistent with the murderer, in the same type of car and...oh yeah which happened to be missing a front license plate.

Turns off his phone minutes into his drive, which is then is off the entire murder slot.

Then there is a dozen late night trips to the area, yet none after his last trip that morning at 9:02am.

10:31am picture is in chronological order. It isn't taken at 9:13 or 9:15 (because he's sitting and watching outside that house).

That’s a great point. After that 9:02 drive by he never went back and yet he had been driving in the area multiple times prior to the murders.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-Defendants-Reply-States-Resp-Defs-Motion-Strike-Death-Penalty-RE-Autism-Spectrum-Disorder.pdf

He has an inability to assist with mitigation evidence and understand the magnitude of his case. By way of example, when he was arrested in his home, with a full swat team, doors broken, and parents zip tied, he made small talk with the detective in the back of the car during the ride to the police station. He asked the officer about his education and suggested that they get coffee at a later date. He did not perceive the profoundly serious nature of the moment and exhibited no perception of what was happening.

I just read this response and if BK’s Asperger’s restricts him in the way his defense lawyers claim, he would not have in a doctorate program at WSU no matter his intelligence. He would have not in any way been able to teach or interact with colleagues. His views and research would be warped and questionable because of his inability to discern in any way how regular people feel things and react to things.
The sources from the defense may have legitimate points concerning Aspergers, but their trying to paint BK as so disabled by it is bogus in my opinion.
I’ll add, I’d be fine if they ditched the death penalty personally, but BK is guilty, and this argument is silly.

 

[Chloegirl]

Defendant's Reply, MIL, Use of the Term Murder


AT is still jammering -- doesn't want the State to use 'murder' in any form in reference to BK because he's "presumed innocent".

Never mind that he's on trial for murder.

JMO

Could this be that he's convinced himself he didn't do that so it's not "murder" and he's making it difficult on his defense team to represent him making these types of statements? My guess is he talks in circles and they make sure that they represent some of what he said even if it is nonsensical (so as to not have a problem in appeals). Kind of makes you feel for the defense. JMOO

I am referring to his circular logic that he used when he was pulled over for being jutted out in the middle of a intersection. That alone was a roundabout discussion and likely is an example of his debating style. Meticulous over stupid details (instead of okay you're right give me the ticket). JMOO

 

[gremlin444]

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-Defendants-Reply-States-Objection-Defendants-MIL6-RE-Nowlin-Touch-Contact-DNA.pdf

"It is possible the DNA detected on M2022-4843 Item 1.1 resulted from secondary transfer; however, based on Nowlin’s training and experience it is her opinion given the quantity of DNA detected on M2022-4843 Item 1.1 (0.168ng/μl) and given the DNA profile obtained is single source it is more likely the result of a direct transfer. "

Will poke into this quantity later.

 

[Warwick7]

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-Defendants-Reply-States-Objection-Defendants-MIL6-RE-Nowlin-Touch-Contact-DNA.pdf

"It is possible the DNA detected on M2022-4843 Item 1.1 resulted from secondary transfer; however, based on Nowlin’s training and experience it is her opinion given the quantity of DNA detected on M2022-4843 Item 1.1 (0.168ng/μl) and given the DNA profile obtained is single source it is more likely the result of a direct transfer. "

Will poke into this quantity later.

...the quantity of the dna....

 

[NCWatcher]

I just read this response and if BK’s Asperger’s restricts him in the way his defense lawyers claim, he would not have in a doctorate program at WSU no matter his intelligence. He would have not in any way been able to teach or interact with colleagues. His views and research would be warped and questionable because of his inability to discern in any way how regular people feel things and react to things.
The sources from the defense may have legitimate points concerning Aspergers, but their trying to paint BK as so disabled by it is bogus in my opinion.
I’ll add, I’d be fine if they ditched the death penalty personally, but BK is guilty, and this argument is silly.

But the things you list that might accompany Asperger's are things that did give him trouble in his doctoral program. For example, interacting with colleages, performing TA duties, and so on.

I don't think what we know about his grad school performance rules out the diagnosis. And the effect of COVID made lots of grad programs weird during the time he was doing master's work.

MOO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-Defendants-Reply-States-Resp-Defs-Motion-Strike-Death-Penalty-RE-Autism-Spectrum-Disorder.pdf

Well, I guess we can see where the defense is going to go if all their filings are ruled against:

"By way of example, when he was arrested in his home, with a full swat team, doors broken, and parents zip tied, he made small talk with the detective in the back of the car during the ride to the police station. He asked the officer about his education and suggested that they get coffee at a later date. He did not perceive the profoundly serious nature of the moment and exhibited no perception of what was happening. While competency has not been raised in this case, at this time, Mr. Kohberger’s team and assisting experts are constantly analyzing this issue. "

Thank you for sharing this latest from the defense @gremlin444 …..

I think there is an easier way the defense could state this? Perhaps IMO?

This seems nothing more than the old ‘the suspect thinks they are the smartest individual in the room’?

SMH at these filings and pleadings from the defense. For a client who just might be in a case where the DP is invoked? MOO

 

[detectivewannab]

But the things you list that might accompany Asperger's are things that did give him trouble in his doctoral program. For example, interacting with colleages, performing TA duties, and so on.

I don't think what we know about his grad school performance rules out the diagnosis. And the effect of COVID made lots of grad programs weird during the time he was doing master's work.

MO

Most did not go out and kill 4 people.

 

[Arkay]

From Defense reply to Vague and Undisclosed Expert Testimony:

“Latah County began prosecuting Mr. Kohberger in December of 2022. Discovery was
filtered to Mr. Kohberger in a slow, disorganized and tedious fashion.”

Which is it then, Defense? Is BK not neurotypical and needs time to process, as you repeatedly suggest, or is he being penalized by the prosecution going too slowly for him?

In education, one of the modifications made for students with special needs is, in fact, to give them extra time so they can digest information at a slower pace. Sometimes referred to as “chunking.”

Which way do you want to land, Defense? He’s too slow to pick up on cues, but the prosecution went too slowly, so that’s no bueno, either?


Jmo and experience.

 

[SteveP]

D Response to MIL Make and Model

D doesn't want the State's expert to identify two images as the same Elantra because, here's the argument, it's not continuous cctv.

As if there were all kinds of Elantras driving around RIGHT THERE.

Hey, it could happen. There were probably white Elantras parked in practically every driveway between camera shots. And likely with owners that were up and about to begin driving the neighborhood around 3:30 am. Absolutely no reason to believe it was BK in his white Elantra in any of the shots, but especially not in all of them, and it is mere coincidence that all of the shots, taken together, of the multiple Elantras, form almost a perfect circular route to 1122 KIng Rd, that was repeated multiple times. JMO

 

[Boxer]

Hey, it could happen. There were probably white Elantras parked in practically every driveway between camera shots. And likely with owners that were up and about to begin driving the neighborhood around 3:30 am. Absolutely no reason to believe it was BK in his white Elantra in any of the shots, but especially not in all of them, and it is mere coincidence that all of the shots, taken together, of the multiple Elantras, form almost a perfect circular route to 1122 KIng Rd, that was repeated multiple times. JMO

And timing of the shots from one camera to the next.