4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

[INfisherman]

Oh, I know this one, thanks to all the time I've spent reading on knife forums due to this case. And the answer doesn't necessarily have to do with planning ahead for frequent use.

(And if BK had used the knife before King Road and had actually ever set foot on the 1st to 2nd floor stairs--which is very very unlikely--prior blood from usage would have been dried and highly unlikely to stick to the handrail.)

They come pre-sharpened to some extent and apparently vary in quality.

However, there are tons of discussions on the knife boards (easily googled) by knife geeks extolling the benefits of different sharpening angles and methods.

And from what I'm reading..while the general consumer ones come sharpened only on the normal cutting edge....um....some people, depending on what they intend to use it for....sharpen the first few inches or all of the "top" edge.

Seeing numerous ex military say that their unit sharpened both sides while other units didn't. Those who sharpened both sides mention doing so specifically in order to increase lethality in hand to hand combat. Also seeing hunters mention sharpening the top edge as well.

And with that, I'm staying off the knife boards for another few weeks.

Maybe he thought he may need to sharpen it after some practice sessions, where he’d slashed & stabbed something?

Top edge would be the clip point area or swedge, where the profile of the spine curves down towards the tip. As you said, it’s sharpened on occasion for knife combat or for aiding in field dressing game by hunters so the knife doesn’t have to be turned over (upside down).

MOO

 

[browneyes]

03/07/2023 Order to Seal and Redact (Door Dash)

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger

I’m tired and just don’t understand what this for? Anyone mind helping me? TIA

 

[Ghostwheel]

Each person's computer in the household would have a different IP address. Maybe amazon and/or LE have a way to differentiate down to that level. (?) Or perhaps BK placed an order through his phone or though alexa.

Here's an article (a few years old and for Europe, but Europe has stronger privacy protections) that covers details of data that amazon collects:

All the Ways Amazon Tracks You—and How to Stop It

The retail empire is obsessed with your data. But is the convenience worth your personal information?

www.wired.com

In my house there is one public IP for everything connected to the router, and internal private IPs. My understanding is that the individual private IPs are not visible outside of the internal (home) network, unless you give permission for it. So maybe a phone or tablet, someone might have given permission when installing, but computers not so much. I need to go research that some more.

Apologies for the hijack, what I know of my own account and household was not making sense to the outside world. But I'm the technology person who is really a preferred luddite.

 

[Nichevo]

Yes, they were experiencing "cognitive dissonance" where their brain was refusing to acknowledge or accept the reality of what they saw and seeks to find a rational explanation. It's a very typical human psychological defense mechanism to a traumatic situation. They were probably trying to convince themselves that, for example, the dead roommates had awakened and left the house while BF and the other surviving roomie were asleep.

Poor girls, it's horrific to consider. Same for the friends they called to come help them, who ended up finding the bodies. College kids should be enjoying their fun college years before making the rite of passage to adulthood.

My MIL once told me of her experiences as the wife of a military combat pilot, going with the clergy give other pilots wives the news of their husbands' deaths in combat. People respond in the most irrational ways when they receive that kind of news. From refusing to answer the door to seeing the priest's car arriving and running into the street screaming, falling to their knees in the middle of the road.

Part of your brain seems to just shut down and stops functioning for a while. Everyone handles it differently, but denial of the reality is very common. JMO, the jury will understand what those girls went through.

Oh yeah, now I remember you mentioning this before and it made sense at the time. Therefore things are explained away as “Kaylee playing with her dog”, “ Xana was wearing black”… these explanations seem more “logical” than having an actual horror movie playing out in your own home.

 

[schooling]

In my house there is one public IP for everything connected to the router, and internal private IPs. My understanding is that the individual private IPs are not visible outside of the internal (home) network, unless you give permission for it. So maybe a phone or tablet, someone might have given permission when installing, but computers not so much. I need to go research that some more.

Apologies for the hijack, what I know of my own account and household was not making sense to the outside world. But I'm the technology person who is really a preferred luddite.

You're right, IMO. The only way they'd have individual IP addresses is if the device is off WIFI and using cellular.

And when using cellular Apple's iOS goes out of its way to scramble and conceal anything that will fingerprint (aka identify) you. JMO

 

[Nichevo]

Thanks everyone for the links to the released document with the balaclava image, I.e. the “Bushy eyebrows” document. I had looked at this when it first showed up here on webslueths but must not have made it to the last page

 

[Cool Cats]

I’m tired and just don’t understand what this for? Anyone mind helping me? TIA

On December 9th 2022, a Motion was granted to seal "sensitive" information related to DoorDash such as:

The Search Warrant, related documents, any items seized.

However, this Motion was only granted for 3 months, from 12 - 9 - 2022 until 3 - 8 - 2023. So on March 7th 2023 - one day before this Motion was due to expire - a new Motion was granted to keep DoorDash information sealed.

The affidavit in support of search warrant and the amended affidavit in support of search warrant WILL BE SEALED.

The search warrant, amended search warrant and receipt and inventory (seized items) WILL BE REDACTED.
This Motion will remain indefinitely.

WHY?

Because the documents contain highly intimate facts or statements which would be highly objectionable to a reasonable person.

03/07/2023 Order to Seal and Redact (Door Dash)

 

[PinkParis2052]

where did u hear that? first ive heard of any wounds

‘She’s a tough kid’: Avondale father says University of Idaho student killed fought her attacker
article from Nov 17, 2022

Quote from the article that was linked above. -
"Kernodle says there’s one thing the autopsy shows for certain. Xana, a strong-willed woman, fought her killer to the very end. “Bruises, torn by the knife. She’s a tough kid. Whatever she wanted to do, she could do it,” Kernodle said."

 

[Orange Tabby]

Ok...I had not seen this when it came out.
It is clear, when LE entered BK's apartment he had his own bedroom locked.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654325470551212033

The original post (tweet) quoted here was made almost two years ago. It dates from a time when the defendant had been in custody not quite four months. Rumors and false narratives were absolutely everywhere everyday.

Lots of folks—newsies, podcasters, social media commentators—were jockeying for a position which might make them big bucks and assure them central importance, including Ashleigh Banfield.

I find it shocking that anyone would post this tweet without sharing any of the comments to it. There’s a strong case that BK lived alone in a two bedroom apartment, and the second bedroom (which he was not paying for) was kept locked. The lock having nothing to do with him.

Here are three of the first four comments to Ashleigh “I’m all about the drama” Banfield’s post, with links following:

“The 2nd bedroom is vacant and as per student housing protocol it has to be locked. The police had the key, unlocked it and saw it was not entered. Don’t sensationalize something for the heck of it. It’s deception.”

“at WSU when u live alone in student housing apartments the extra bedroom door is locked. His room wasn't locked”

“It was the spare room that WSU student housing keeps locked since there’s no 2nd roommate occupying it.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654391036452524032

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654338665538023426

https://x.com/Thatblond3chic/status/1654483944727871497

There is a profusion of known evidence that makes it clear BK will be found guilty. It is a disservice to the victims to disseminate bogus evidence to further promote his guilt. The prosecution does not need false narratives to pollute a case which is already incredibly strong.

Of course it is possible that Ashleigh Banfield is right and the randos who challenged her on X are wrong.

But most every day of the week and twice on Sunday I would believe the randos over Banfield.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[Warwick7]

The original post (tweet) quoted here was made almost two years ago. It dates from a time when the defendant had been in custody not quite four months. Rumors and false narratives were absolutely everywhere everyday.

Lots of folks—newsies, podcasters, social media commentators—were jockeying for a position which might make them big bucks and assure them central importance, including Ashleigh Banfield.

I find it shocking that anyone would post this tweet without sharing any of the comments to it. There’s a strong case that BK lived alone in a two bedroom apartment, and the second bedroom (which he was not paying for) was kept locked. The lock having nothing to do with him.

Here are three of the first four comments to Ashleigh “I’m all about the drama” Banfield’s post, with links following:

“The 2nd bedroom is vacant and as per student housing protocol it has to be locked. The police had the key, unlocked it and saw it was not entered. Don’t sensationalize something for the heck of it. It’s deception.”

“at WSU when u live alone in student housing apartments the extra bedroom door is locked. His [BK’s room — Orange Tabby] room wasn't locked”

“It was the spare room that WSU student housing keeps locked since there’s no 2nd roommate occupying it.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654391036452524032

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654338665538023426

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654483944727871497

There is a profusion of known evidence that makes it clear BK will be found guilty. It is a disservice to the victims to disseminate bogus evidence to further promote his guilt. The prosecution does not need false narratives to pollute a case which is already incredibly strong.

Of course it is possible that Ashleigh Banfield is right and the randos who challenged her on X are wrong.

But most every day of the week and twice on Sunday I would believe the randos over Banfield.

Your mileage may vary.

@Orange Tabby you wrote:

"I find it shocking that anyone would post this tweet without sharing any of the comments to it."
"But most every day of the week and twice on Sunday I would believe the randos over Banfield."

I did not share the comments to the MSM tweet because we are asked not to.

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Thread 'Social Media - Facebook, Twitter, etc.' Rules - Social Media - Facebook, Twitter, etc.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I do wonder if someone who was struggling with quite extreme neuro-divergence issues simply threw in the towel and became an enraged incel type when the push back from peers turned into the group confrontation using the full force of the whole group, the hierarchy, superiors and the whole institution itself. Possibly that could have left someone already struggling with nowhere to go, emotionally speaking. In terms of some theories that would leave a person in the suicidal stance. Does it trigger some like BK into the homicidal (and suicidal) stance, hence he's a first time killer who did something so extreme as opposed to an escalating progressive violent offender.

JMO but I imagine he doesn't care for his life any longer and is just playing this case out to the end for the sake of it and the gamble he could be freed on a technicality or random juror. Maybe doesn't care about the DP, also may wish to take his own life but is now being actively prevented from doing so?
JMO MOO

I didn't know BK has extreme neurological-divergence. This may be BK's first time killing, but I believe he has had violent tendencies in the past. If so, I wonder if it will be allowed in under the 404 rule?

<snipped>

(1) Prohibited Uses . Evidence of any other crime, wrong, or act is not admissible to prove a person’s character in order to show that on a particular occasion the person acted in accordance with the character.

(2) Permitted Uses . This evidence may be admissible for another purpose, such as proving motive, opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, absence of mistake, or lack of accident.

(3) Notice in a Criminal Case. In a criminal case, the prosecutor must:

(A) provide reasonable notice of any such evidence that the prosecutor intends to offer at trial, so that the defendant has a fair opportunity to meet it;

(B) articulate in the notice the permitted purpose for which the prosecutor intends to offer the evidence and the reasoning that supports the purpose; and

(C) do so in writing before trial — or in any form during trial if the court, for good cause, excuses lack of pretrial notice.

Rule 404. Character Evidence; Other Crimes, Wrongs, or Acts

It's a tough call for me on what BK is feeling now. Part of me thinks he doesn't care about anyone or anything and is just going through the motions like you said, or maybe he is enjoying the attention and the extreme effort by AT & Co. on his behalf.

I don't believe he's suicidal, but if he is, there are many ways he could pull it off if he really wanted to. Lots of Defendants and those recently convicted do it. (J. Epstein, A. Hernandez, I. Keys, etc.)

JMO

 

[jepop]

The original post (tweet) quoted here was made almost two years ago. It dates from a time when the defendant had been in custody not quite four months. Rumors and false narratives were absolutely everywhere everyday.

Lots of folks—newsies, podcasters, social media commentators—were jockeying for a position which might make them big bucks and assure them central importance, including Ashleigh Banfield.

I find it shocking that anyone would post this tweet without sharing any of the comments to it. There’s a strong case that BK lived alone in a two bedroom apartment, and the second bedroom (which he was not paying for) was kept locked. The lock having nothing to do with him.

Here are three of the first four comments to Ashleigh “I’m all about the drama” Banfield’s post, with links following:

“The 2nd bedroom is vacant and as per student housing protocol it has to be locked. The police had the key, unlocked it and saw it was not entered. Don’t sensationalize something for the heck of it. It’s deception.”

“at WSU when u live alone in student housing apartments the extra bedroom door is locked. His room wasn't locked”

“It was the spare room that WSU student housing keeps locked since there’s no 2nd roommate occupying it.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654391036452524032

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654338665538023426

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654483944727871497

There is a profusion of known evidence that makes it clear BK will be found guilty. It is a disservice to the victims to disseminate bogus evidence to further promote his guilt. The prosecution does not need false narratives to pollute a case which is already incredibly strong.

Of course it is possible that Ashleigh Banfield is right and the randos who challenged her on X are wrong.

But most every day of the week and twice on Sunday I would believe the randos over Banfield.

Your mileage may vary.

Personally I am with you all the way on Banefield who is on my banned list since her repulsive taking advantage of a victim's extremely vulnerable parent (Kernoodle) in the early days when trying to drum up drama and ratings about a non existent conflict of interest on AT's part. This was so bad that the court had to publicly release the minutes from a session in Jan 2023 to show AT had no COI. It's in the docs somewhere in the first quarter of 2023. Maybe Feb or March. Jmo

 

[Auntie Cipation]

When I read about BK browsing for a replacement knife following the crime, my first thought was that he was attempting to set up for if he were to become a suspect, and he could provide the new knife upon request, pretending it's the one he bought months prior, and obviously it would be clean of any evidence of the crime. Of course he could always use it again in another crime but that would come later (in his mind). MOO

 

[Ghostwheel]

The original post (tweet) quoted here was made almost two years ago. It dates from a time when the defendant had been in custody not quite four months. Rumors and false narratives were absolutely everywhere everyday.

Lots of folks—newsies, podcasters, social media commentators—were jockeying for a position which might make them big bucks and assure them central importance, including Ashleigh Banfield.

I find it shocking that anyone would post this tweet without sharing any of the comments to it. There’s a strong case that BK lived alone in a two bedroom apartment, and the second bedroom (which he was not paying for) was kept locked. The lock having nothing to do with him.

Here are three of the first four comments to Ashleigh “I’m all about the drama” Banfield’s post, with links following:

“The 2nd bedroom is vacant and as per student housing protocol it has to be locked. The police had the key, unlocked it and saw it was not entered. Don’t sensationalize something for the heck of it. It’s deception.”

“at WSU when u live alone in student housing apartments the extra bedroom door is locked. His room wasn't locked”

“It was the spare room that WSU student housing keeps locked since there’s no 2nd roommate occupying it.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654391036452524032

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654338665538023426

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654483944727871497

There is a profusion of known evidence that makes it clear BK will be found guilty. It is a disservice to the victims to disseminate bogus evidence to further promote his guilt. The prosecution does not need false narratives to pollute a case which is already incredibly strong.

Of course it is possible that Ashleigh Banfield is right and the randos who challenged her on X are wrong.

But most every day of the week and twice on Sunday I would believe the randos over Banfield.

Your mileage may vary.

If you listen carefully, you can hear them say it is locked because there is only one occupant (I believe). I don't not trust Banfield because of this, I can see why it was interpreted as it was. If you've never lived as a single in a double occupancy where they lock the door, you'd have no idea.

What is a problem is when no one followed up to see if the commenters were correct and made a new video or added a correction to the initial one. IMO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Attacking DM is a huge mistake.

I agree it could come across to the jury negatively if done harshly, but that is one of the very important pieces of evidence against BK, so AT will do everything she can to plant seeds of doubt in the jurors minds of what DM did or did not see. IMO

I feel so bad that DM will have to take the stand and recount this nightmare all over again.

 

[Nichevo]

I was just thinking about the mad dash DM made to BF’s basement room in a presumably dark house.

DM to BF: “I’m not kidding am so freaked out”

BF to DM: “So am I”

Mortensen indicated her phone was about to die, and Funke texted “Come to my room,” which was below on the first floor. “Run,” she said.

DM to BF: “Im scRwd tho”

BF to DM: “Ya IK but it’s better than being alone.”

Her route took her past the 1st floor entry which I’m sure she feared could burst open at any second, then a sprint down a dark hallway of ~13 feet to the door of BF’s room. Chilling!

 

[NCWatcher]

Alot of people who knew him and met him have talked about him and not one person has said he has physical weaknesses. In fact, I believe he boxed and would wrestle around and headlock his friend.

His own defense says he is a runner and hiker. He appears very strong and athletic looking, like a guy who could easily overpower and hurt someone.

Casey Arntz: My brother has since come out to say that even though they were friends, Bryan bullied him.

Casey Arntz: He had said that he would put him in like choke holds and stuff like that.

In this yearbook photo, Bryan Kohberger's caption said he aspired to be an Army Ranger.

Never-before-seen photos and details about the man accused of murdering four Idaho college students

A portrait of Bryan Kolberger from people who were once close to the alleged killer.

www.cbsnews.com

I wasn't saying everything we have read is necessarily false about BK nor was I addressing physical issues as that came up as an issue after I posted. But much of what has been said hasn't been verified.

The story from Casey Arntz didn't happen to him, it happened, assuming it happened, to his brother AND given that it occurred in high school, it happened over a decade earlier.

There have been things said by anonymous sources or by unsourced sources that I'm not ready to accept as truth necessarily. And for example, much has been made by some about his "mandatory" program change in high school revealed by the (IMO) 15-minutes of fame named school counselor. If the story she told was true, it was a definite FERPA violation. If it wasn't and either she made it up or embellished on a school record she had no direct knowledge of, that's a serious professional violation of a different sort, one IMO shared by the teacher and advisor to the online program BK finished to graduate from high school in 2013.

Many of the stories about having trouble with female university students as a TA sounded quite similar. That could mean the stories were describing similar real-life events OR it could mean quite the opposite. Personally I think it's odd none of the reporters who supposedly talked to these students said they saw the questionably graded work or even that the students offered to show the reporter their work. And, as I've said before, the "meeting" the professor supposedly set up between the disgruntled students and BK ("Here, have at him.") is something that never would happen at any doctoral,granting university I know of, especially with an adjunct/teaching or non-tenured/non-tenure track professor. But if it did happen, the professor would not emerge unscathed. The "I didn't do it, he did" is rarely a viable defense for a supervising professor to use. And the later university investigation did not support the idea that women were treated differently by BK. It's possible the university was in crisis/*** covering mode but it's always possible there was nothing to find.

Similarly, much has been made of the work BK did for a fellow grad student in setting up electronic surveillance at her apartment. So far as I know, no evidence has been uncovered that he did the initial snooping that prompted her to have an electronic security system nor that he used an electronic "back door" to snoop undetected later on. But it seems many have accepted the story as 100% true.
MOO

 

[Boxer]

I agree it could come across to the jury negatively if done harshly, but that is one of the very important pieces of evidence against BK, so AT will do everything she can to plant seeds of doubt in the jurors minds of what DM did or did not see. IMO

I feel so bad that DM will have to take the stand and recount this nightmare all over again.

With bushy eyebrows staring at her.

The girls just didnt accept something really really serious was going on. It was literally unbelievabe to them. Very sad there is also all this judgement and conspiracy talk. So unfair to target DM. She made an accurate report to the pokice.

 

[katydid23]

He had to have known that if caught, his purchase records would be requested and received. That tells me he had a very high conviction that he would not be caught. Boy was he wrong, thank goodness.

Yes, in some ways he was kind of lazy. Ordering the knife, sheath and sharpener on Amazon, using his own credit card? It makes much more sense to just go to a hunting show, where he could have bought a knife and sharpener and paid cash, used fake name etc.

He could have thrown away the receipts for the black mask and Dickies coveralls as well. That was just dumb.

Using his own car was dumb as well. Maybe he should have rented one and put stolen plates on it , just until he returned it?

 

[katydid23]

I would have thought that the defence wouldn't be allowed to say something so inflammatory in a court of law in a state that has the death penalty as an unwritten, ot maybe even written, rule? Surely in a death penalty case the prosecution shouldn't have to specifically produce a motion against it?

I would expect wording such as "the state wants to put my client to death" as a possible way around it, but I can't imagine a judge would let council call the DP murder in any circumstance.

I've given myself something to ponder now lol.

I'd like to see exactly what it was that the D said during earlier hearings that angered the P. They may have said 'kill my client' but the State might have asked to suppress any version of that , except for as you noted, 'asking for the death penalty.'