4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

[Megnut]

Older article, might be re-post but it's gives a really good look at AT's strategy and aim.

"Due to his ASD, Mr. Kohberger simply cannot comport himself in a manner that aligns with societal expectations of normalcy. This creates an unconscionable risk that he will be executed because of his disability rather than his culpability,” his attorneys said.

(Ah, the challenge of defending against the sentencing before the verdict is rendered.)

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/06/us/bryan-kohberger-autism-death-penalty/index.html

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

IMO:
The reason he bought the knife sharpener (along with the knife) was because he DIDN’T KNOW how sharp the knife was.

Also people who use knives for butchering and kitchen work etc often get them professionally sharpened. If he was acquiring his knife for nefarious purposes then stands to reason he wouldn't be using an outside service. JMO

 

[SteveP]

Exactly my thought!
Any receipts for all these new curtains so often AT?

Now, every time that I look at my liner (which is usually when I am IN the shower), I think, man, maybe I should buy shower curtains more often too. JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

Older article, might be re-post but it's gives a really good look at AT's strategy and aim.

"Due to his ASD, Mr. Kohberger simply cannot comport himself in a manner that aligns with societal expectations of normalcy. This creates an unconscionable risk that he will be executed because of his disability rather than his culpability,” his attorneys said.

(Ah, the challenge of defending against the sentencing before the verdict is rendered.)

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/06/us/bryan-kohberger-autism-death-penalty/index.html

As an autistic person, this argument is disgusting to me.

BK knows exactly what is expected of him by society, he just doesn't care.

He isn't a high needs autistic person who requires supervision and guidance to safely navigate the world because he's unaware of dangers, rules, and consequences. That's the kind of person this legal argument is designed to protect from excessive punishment.

Every word BK ever wrote in his university career shows he understands the laws of the land and right and wrong with absolute precision. And choosing to act with violence while in full understanding of the consequences and why it is unacceptable to do so is not a defence. It's premeditation and malice aforethought.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

As an autistic person, this argument is disgusting to me.

BK knows exactly what is expected of him by society, he just doesn't care.

He isn't a high needs autistic person who requires supervision and guidance to safely navigate the world because he's unaware of dangers, rules, and consequences. That's the kind of person this legal argument is designed to protect from excessive punishment.

Every word BK ever wrote in his university career shows he understands the laws of the land and right and wrong with absolute precision. And choosing to act with violence while in full understanding of the consequences and why it is unacceptable to do so is not a defence. It's premeditation and malice aforethought.

MOO

100% this.

It's shameless.

JMO

 

[Arkay]

As an autistic person, this argument is disgusting to me.

BK knows exactly what is expected of him by society, he just doesn't care.

He isn't a high needs autistic person who requires supervision and guidance to safely navigate the world because he's unaware of dangers, rules, and consequences. That's the kind of person this legal argument is designed to protect from excessive punishment.

Every word BK ever wrote in his university career shows he understands the laws of the land and right and wrong with absolute precision. And choosing to act with violence while in full understanding of the consequences and why it is unacceptable to do so is not a defence. It's premeditation and malice aforethought.

MOO

I don’t have autism, and I agree with you 100%.

It appears to me that AT is attempting to enfeeble Bryan as the only option available to getting him exonerated.

As a NYC teacher, once “special ed” students were mainstreamed into our classes, I was able to understand much more about autism, Asperger’s and the very wide spectrum on which someone may fall.

Obviously I don’t know BK, but from the outside looking in he does remind me of some students I can recall. Mostly males; with eye contact issues, standing too close, blurting out something in class, unemotional ——but absolutely knowing right from wrong and with no desire to harm anyone.

I have a dear friend, a professor with a Ph.D in Statistics, and he is just the same as those kids but would never harm a soul.

This notion of autism being an irresistible force propelling BK to murder, with no comprehension of what he felt compelled to do, is just hurting my heart.

In fact, over 25 years of teaching 150 students a year, one did turn out to be involved in a murder about 10 years after he graduated. This was a lovely, sweet little boy whom I always chose to be my monitor on Parent/Teacher Day. (A notorious murder, George Smith on his honeymoon cruise).

I mention this because this narrative that autism=destiny and that it furnishes an “excuse” is so belittling and outrageous. The boy involved in a murder as an adult was a very “normal,” intelligent and seemingly placid kid when I knew him.

If BK was so incompetent in daily life, he could not have plotted all his moves and he wouldn’t have tried to hide the evidence. It seems clear to me that he had a consciousness of guilt when he tried to hide the evidence of his DNA by throwing his trash in the neighbor's bin.

My heart goes out to all those who are not neurotypical and rightfully feel maligned by AT’s Hail Mary pass.

JMO and experience.

 

[SteveP]

I definitely see this case going to trial, but IF it does not, who moves first? Does Kohberger's team approach the state, offering to plead guilty in exchange for LWOP, or does the state approach the defense with an offer to take the DP off the table in exchange for a guilty plea? Do the teams wait almost until time for the trial to begin before talking about a plea deal? Have either already floated the idea?

I still don't know that a plea deal would be offered, or accepted if offered. I think we all believe that the state has a very strong case. The defense and BK must know that the chances of him ever walking away from this, a free man, are slim and none, and with almost every new document dump, slim is running faster to get out of town, if he hasn't already. Does BK really crave the limelight enough to put the families and friends of the murdered kids through the agony of reliving their gruesome murders every day for three months? Does he really think that his team can convince any jury that he is not guilty, while almost surely never allowing them to hear from him on the stand. What do y'all think?

 

[DizzyB]

As an autistic person, this argument is disgusting to me.

BK knows exactly what is expected of him by society, he just doesn't care.

He isn't a high needs autistic person who requires supervision and guidance to safely navigate the world because he's unaware of dangers, rules, and consequences. That's the kind of person this legal argument is designed to protect from excessive punishment.

Every word BK ever wrote in his university career shows he understands the laws of the land and right and wrong with absolute precision. And choosing to act with violence while in full understanding of the consequences and why it is unacceptable to do so is not a defence. It's premeditation and malice aforethought.

MOO

Agreed. He was and is fully aware of the law and consequences, as well as what is morally just. His debate with the officer regarding the local law vs PA law about traffic lights and intersections was a glimpse into his thought process. He used an excuse that was pure BS in order to avoid a ticket, like he had no idea how to drive in a suburban area. He knew, but he figured he was smart enough to get out of it. And he did.

 

[10ofRods]

Wasn't it reported that he was going to lose his TA job because of an altercation with his Professor?

There were meetings set up to by the admins to try and 'help him' understand' what he needed to improve, from what I have read.

And I do think the manager of one of the bars he used to frequent, had notes about BK's creepy behaviour with the waitresses---asking them where they lived and when their shifts were etc, and he'd act miffed if they refused to answer personal questions. If it is true that he is on the spectrum, then that does make some sense. He might just have social miscues and some awkwardness.

He had already been notified of the termination. He had already been given an improvement plan, but a group of grad students was also documenting how he continued to perform behaviors that were deemed problematic (the word "altercation" was definitely used in the complaint by his professor, who was also the mentor for the program he was in).

Apparently, BK responded to undergrad complaints by dramatically changing his grading policy midstream.

That's from memory, it's in the early threads.

 

[KSwizzle]

Why would the prosecution give a plea deal, I think this will be an easy case to get a conviction on, and it'll pad the district attorney's resume MOO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Why would the prosecution give a plea deal, I think this will be an easy case to get a conviction on, and it'll pad the district attorney's resume MOO

JMO but I suspect the purpose of plea deals is multi faceted = to save costs, tax dollars from public funds, to save time and be more economical with the expertise of legal professionals and expert witnesses, so the next case can be tried, and especially to spare all witnesses, jurors the time, effort, inconvenience, costs and emotional suffering.

It is not much for the sake of the defendant I would imagine, except in the percentage of cases where that person is being open and honest about their conduct and crimes and should be maybe given some consideration, especially if rehabilitation is truly possible. MOO

 

[arielilane]

Most recent released document.

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger​

Ada County CR01-24-31665

Current Case Summary

03/28/2025 NewOrder Sealing Defendants Exhibit in Support of Affidavit and Objection

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger

 

[SteveP]

Why would the prosecution give a plea deal, I think this will be an easy case to get a conviction on, and it'll pad the district attorney's resume MOO

I agree that the state has a very strong case, but we all know from cases such as Casey Anthony and OJ Simpson that there really is no sure slam-dunk case. The chances of the state not getting a guilty plea may be miniscule, but they do exist. Prosecuting BK has already cost Latah County and the state of Idaho millions, and the bill increases daily. Time and money. A plea deal would save family and friends/roommates of the 4 victims the pain of hearing and having to relive every gory detail of a 3-month trial. Finally, Bill Thompson has been Latah County DA for 32 years. I think his resume is probably padded as much as it will ever need to be.

I don't really believe that the state will offer a plea deal, but there do seem to be valid reasons to do so, which is why I was interested in hearing what others here feel. JMO

 

[arielilane]

"Protective clothing: boot covers, eyewear, fiber-free overalls, face masks, hair nets, gowns, and anything that will prevent me from contaminating the scene with things I bring in with me."

— Bryan Kohberger

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger penned essay showing he knew how to cover tracks

Idaho prosecutors have unveiled a college essay from student murders suspect Bryan Kohberger that shows he knows his way around a crime scene, new court filings reveal.

www.fox13seattle.com

3/28/2025

 

[Sachi]

Older article, might be re-post but it's gives a really good look at AT's strategy and aim.

"Due to his ASD, Mr. Kohberger simply cannot comport himself in a manner that aligns with societal expectations of normalcy. This creates an unconscionable risk that he will be executed because of his disability rather than his culpability,” his attorneys said.

(Ah, the challenge of defending against the sentencing before the verdict is rendered.)

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/06/us/bryan-kohberger-autism-death-penalty/index.html

Well said.
She’s reaching deep in the convoluted defense bag and throwing the scurf from the bottom- old chapstick, sticky dimes, gum wrapper words.

She has a hard job though, unpopular and difficult.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Older article, might be re-post but it's gives a really good look at AT's strategy and aim.

"Due to his ASD, Mr. Kohberger simply cannot comport himself in a manner that aligns with societal expectations of normalcy. This creates an unconscionable risk that he will be executed because of his disability rather than his culpability,” his attorneys said.

(Ah, the challenge of defending against the sentencing before the verdict is rendered.)

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/06/us/bryan-kohberger-autism-death-penalty/index.html

ah not very sure but this seems more like expecting the worse rather than preparing for it. how much effort has she collectively put into avoiding the dp i wonder?

 

[Boxer]

I agree that the state has a very strong case, but we all know from cases such as Casey Anthony and OJ Simpson that there really is no sure slam-dunk case. The chances of the state not getting a guilty plea may be miniscule, but they do exist. Prosecuting BK has already cost Latah County and the state of Idaho millions, and the bill increases daily. Time and money. A plea deal would save family and friends/roommates of the 4 victims the pain of hearing and having to relive every gory detail of a 3-month trial. Finally, Bill Thompson has been Latah County DA for 32 years. I think his resume is probably padded as much as it will ever need to be.

I don't really believe that the state will offer a plea deal, but there do seem to be valid reasons to do so, which is why I was interested in hearing what others here feel. JMO

MOO BK looking like Chandler Halderson who didnt bother with any actual defense during his trial, he just wanted to see the murder evidence pictures.

 

[Megnut]

I definitely see this case going to trial, but IF it does not, who moves first? Does Kohberger's team approach the state, offering to plead guilty in exchange for LWOP, or does the state approach the defense with an offer to take the DP off the table in exchange for a guilty plea? Do the teams wait almost until time for the trial to begin before talking about a plea deal? Have either already floated the idea?

I still don't know that a plea deal would be offered, or accepted if offered. I think we all believe that the state has a very strong case. The defense and BK must know that the chances of him ever walking away from this, a free man, are slim and none, and with almost every new document dump, slim is running faster to get out of town, if he hasn't already. Does BK really crave the limelight enough to put the families and friends of the murdered kids through the agony of reliving their gruesome murders every day for three months? Does he really think that his team can convince any jury that he is not guilty, while almost surely never allowing them to hear from him on the stand. What do y'all think?

I suspect BK is the force AT can't reckon (reason) with.

He is enjoying himself too much to miss the trial.

JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

Seems to me just the fact of their ages and living at a university, the drug angle for a mass slaughter would always need to be looked at. So I guess looking at all occupant's bank records would be normal. I hadn't considered the drug angle as all these kids, right off the bat, didn't seem the type, IMO. As far as they all had accounts at the same bank, I suppose that might be optimal for renters and landlord for paying rent split 5 or 6 ways?

This was true for when my D rented off campus. They all opened an account at the same bank as the landlord for ease of transactions. In my Ds case,, she came from way out of the area, so being able to push from our local credit union to her, at that time, college local bank meant the rent checks didnt have much hold on them, if any, While this may or may not be the norm, it's not an unheard of practice.

 

[gremlin444]

IMO. I don't think that they are attacking DM. I think that AT is pointing out that Investigators knew some or many of the things that DM was said wasn't true based on their own investigation of the Nov 13, 2022 and other people that LE has interviewed in the case and that DM's story of the events aren't credible and that LE shouldn't have based their investigation on her.

What specific things are you referring to that you believe AT found out that aren't true from DM's testimony?