4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

[Ghostwheel]

But that’s what I say. In the party house there are tons of DNAs. People living in the vicinity are not always the most upstanding citizens. Some were arrested in WA and then case closed, another big question but probably to my state, why it was closed, Surely involves lots of work, pois, maybe suspects. The police has to check everyone’s alibi. Leaving a sheath in that room is the great way to direct the investigation.

And imagine it were not a knife, but an iPhone? Don’t you think the conclusion would have been the same? “A phone with a person’s DNA, probably lost it and didn’t notice, he didn’t belong in that house.”

Anyhow - you explain that the source of the other DNA could have been scratched. Did they look at his scratches after the murder? No, and they were slow with that DNA. But, if the victim could have scratched someone in a bar, someone could have placed that sheath in the room.

If it were an iPhone, they would have had the identity of the person who owned it sooner and had the iPhone been found next to a murder victim and the owner had a white Elantra missing a front plate found to be circling around in the neighborhood of the house, that owner would have been on the list to look for other DNA/inconsistencies (like the iPhone user supposedly was never in the house, so how did the phone get left there?). If the iPhone had been turned off, at a time when a car similar to the one identified in the cameras was circling the area and the phone had the owners DNA and the owner owned a car just like the one in the cameras and all of that lined up with the killings, that would have made it more suspicious. If the iphone case was left behind next to a murder victim and the iphone was missing, but the wounds matched being beaten to death with an iPhone, then if the case had DNA, they'd run with that. That is called logic and the basis for most detective work.

If you are trying to say that the spot under the downstairs toilet that no one cleaned in the past year needs to be tested, I don't think there is any CSI who would do that unless some other evidence leads them there. Random testing of every available surface is not a prudent use of resources. TV has a better budget than a lot of labs actually do.

Some things in the media I don't understand, but will wait patiently to see the truth of the matter. Media does not always tell the truth or have the truth. But someone stole my knife and sheath but left only this tiny bit of my DNA on it and placed it next to a murder victim to try and frame me for a mass murder? No. Just no. Had he been in the house previously, maybe. If he had known anyone in the house, maybe. Had he even reported it LOST, maybe. I am fence sitter extra ordinaire. No fence on the sheath DNA for me. Zero reason for it to be exactly as it is except for someone thinking they had gotten ALL the DNA off. If you want to frame someone, you do a better job than that.

And we don't know all of what was checked. Do you think the media has ALL the evidence? I certainly don't. Just more of MOO

 

[mickey2942]

I am just glad that the "Criminal PhD" was so stupid that he left his DNA on the knife sheath, that was found at the scene of the massacre. Not unlike Richard Allen, who left bullet casings with his fingerprints at a murder scene.

We can just have gratitude that BK made this error. Imagine if he was still out.

 

[Bipolar Express]

Just as an aside, I personally don’t consider anti-social PD and/or psychopathy to be mental disorders/illnesses that should be in the DSM-V. IMO need to be taken out of the DSM and put into a category/classification of their own/in some other book so to speak because imo these are the most dangerous that walk amongst us in society. I’d be interested in @BeginnerSleuther expertise and opinion on this because I feel like something more needs to be done to identify/recognize the warning flags but on the other hand, I do understand that many of these offenders usually don’t seek out/
not in treatment and if they are, can be so manipulative it’s hard even for MH practitioners to determine which antisocial psychopathic individuals are at risk/capable of escalating to homicidal maniacs-jmo description.

At any rate, I know it’s not so cut and dried and so many other factors could be involved. I’m not a medical professional or expert it’s just I have no other way to describe people capable of such horror other than sheer Evil which is not a legit MH diagnosis. IMO APD/psychopathy to such a degree needs to be an island of its own/in another book so to speak, if that makes sense.

JMunexpertO

ETA-clarity because posting from phone and once again, fast fingers ugh.

I totally agree with this; separate manuals, seperate everything. I hate to label kids… it doesnt seem fair BUT I believe so many crimes like this may be preventable. when certain behaviors in childhood are noticed, there should be a watch list at the very least. I did a deep dive into Adam Lanza and holy crap I think 26 people would be alive today if someone (other than the parent who made it worse) was keeping track and intervening.

 

[Warwick7]

Lol!!!!!!
Pay backs for voyerism??

From the PCA;

"August 21, 2022, the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources providing coverage to the King Road Residence from approximately 10:34 p.m. to 11:35 p.m. At approximately 11:37 p.m., Kohberger was stopped by Latah County Sheriff's Deputy CPL Duke , as mentioned above . The 8548 Phone was utilizing cellular resources consistent with the location of the traffic stop during this time (Farm Road and Pullman Highway)."

 

[mrjitty]

Thanks. I can see that the later AT&T warrant you link to which is dated March 2023, seeks records include timing advance for time period June to Aug 2022. Although it's not clear who's records this warrant may relate to, as the request was made prior to June 2023 and the records sought are for data older than 7 days, the return would not have included timing advance data in my opinion. These are requessts, and don't detail the actual content of the returns.

Anyway we'll find out how little truth or not is in the defense's accusations very soon at the MIL hearing. I think it's looking very bad for Sy Ray and the defense on this matter. My conjecture of course.

Sy is just trying to pretend that the State is hiding the evidence against the real killer.

But we all know who the real killer is.

 

[Jovi Girl]

When does this trial start ? ( or scheduled to start ? )

 

[Kemug]

MOO he will not plead guilty as that ends the circus, he is cooked and knows it, he wants to see the murder pictures and the family anguish, likes to see police doing their thing.
It would take compassion to plead guilty and MOO he has none. Not for his Dad, not for the families of the victims and not for the victims themselves.

I wonder if BK's family (and friends, etc) can look back over his previous life and recall some (slightly) similar occasions and "emotions", eg the complete lack of compassion for anything (deed or person), even to the extent of seeming to like looking at dead animals or whatever. I'm afraid I haven't expressed myself very well, hopefully you understand!

 

[Kemug]

Woollybergers.
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Ooo, I want some! Can I get them on Amazon?

 

[katydid23]

When does this trial start ? ( or scheduled to start ? )

July 2025, I believe. Pretrial hearings are coming very soon as well.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Ooo, I want some! Can I get them on Amazon?

 

[jepop]

Sy is just trying to pretend that the State is hiding the evidence against the real killer.

But we all know who the real killer is.

Moo, Sy Ray, with the blessing of the defense, has made very dubious accusations in a sworn affidavit. If what you say is truly the strategy the defense is following here, whatever mileage they might gain with potential jury pool in insinuating 'alternate- perp-being-hidden' will be more than sufficiently counteracted once Sy is exposed at the MIL hearing (along with the defense).

This is going to turn out to be a huge miss - step by AT imo and Sy Ray is going to look like a fool in a weeks time. Jmo.

 

[Justice101]

I am just glad that the "Criminal PhD" was so stupid that he left his DNA on the knife sheath, that was found at the scene of the massacre. Not unlike Richard Allen, who left bullet casings with his fingerprints at a murder scene.

We can just have gratitude that BK made this error. Imagine if he was still out.

Good point.

The cliché that you can't perform a perfect murder is very true. RA got lucky but, by his stupidity he SELF REPORTED he was on the trails at the time. Otherwise, LE would never have know who bridge guy was. The ejected bullet was another error on his part.

BK, on the other hand, meticulously planned a murder and was very prepared (mask, body suit, gloves, etc.) BUT, he either accidentally dropped the sheath OR did not clean it well enough if he intentionally left it there. Regardless, errors are made in every murder and BK should have learned that lesson in his studies EARLY ON. But he thought he was smarter. Arrogance got him caught

 

[Justice101]

Defendant's Reply, MIL, Use of the Term Murder


AT is still jammering -- doesn't want the State to use 'murder' in any form in reference to BK because he's "presumed innocent".

Never mind that he's on trial for murder.

JMO

Wow, no prison clothes and now don't call him a murderer. Next, AT will try to change the wording of arrested to "detained".

You know, in a way I get it.... she has very little to work with and apparently BK is hell-bent on not pleading guilty.

 

[Warwick7]

When does this trial start ? ( or scheduled to start ? )

Aug. 11

 

[arielilane]

New: most recent documents filed.​

​

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger​

Ada County CR01-24-31665

Current Case Summary

4/2/2025

• NewOrder Sealing States Response to Defendants Proposed Jury Questionnaire
• NewOrder Sealing Exhibits to Defendants 3rd Supplemental Response RE Expert Witnesses Penalty Phase
• NewOrder Sealing Exhibit C to Defendants 3rd Supplemental Response to Discovery
• NewOrder Sealing Defendants Objections to States Proposed Jury Questionnaire

3/31/2025

• NewStates Motion to Seal States Response to Defendants Proposed Jury Questionnaire
• NewDefendants Motion to Seal Exhibits to 3rd Supplemental Response Request RE Expert Witnesses Penalty Phase
• NewDefendants Motion to Seal Defendants Objections to the States Proposed Jury Questionnaire
• NewDefendants Amended Notice of Filing Dec iso Defendants Objection to States MIL RE Text Messages Testimony
• NewDefendants 3rd Supplemental Response to Request for Discovery RE Expert Witnesses Penalty Phase

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger


JUDGE
Hippler, Steven


COUNTY
Boise, Ada, Elmore, Valley

COURT
District

DISTRICT
4

YOUTUBE CHANNEL
Watch

 

[arielilane]

STATE V. BRYAN C. KOHBERGER​

State v. Bryan C. Kohberger

Information and answers to commonly asked questions about the Vallow Daybell Trial scheduled to take place in Ada County.

adacounty.id.gov

 

[NCWatcher]

Wow, no prison clothes and now don't call him a murderer. Next, AT will try to change the wording of arrested to "detained".

You know, in a way I get it.... she has very little to work with and apparently BK is hell-bent on not pleading guilty.

A defendant can't be forced to wear "jail clothes" to court once a trial starts except under narrow circumstances (e.g., the offense was committed while in jail.) The US Supreme Court spoke on this issue decades ago. Forcing a defendant to wear jail clothes violates the 14th Amendment re: due process. And it is well-known that wearing jail/prison clothes tends to convey guilt. The effects of attire on perceptions of others has been well-researched.

The motion for no jail clothes was definitely NOT a "Hail Mary" effort on AT's part. Any attorney, even a semi-competent one (& IMO AT is more than semi-competent), would do the same if representing a jailed defendant. Further, it is necessary to object to the court if the jail supplies only jail clothes in order to establish a Constitutional violation. Objecting after the fact won't do it.

Estelle v. Williams, 425 U.S. 501 (1976)

MOO

 

[Warwick7]

New: most recent documents filed.​

​

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger​

Ada County CR01-24-31665

Current Case Summary

4/2/2025

• NewOrder Sealing States Response to Defendants Proposed Jury Questionnaire
• NewOrder Sealing Exhibits to Defendants 3rd Supplemental Response RE Expert Witnesses Penalty Phase
• NewOrder Sealing Exhibit C to Defendants 3rd Supplemental Response to Discovery
• NewOrder Sealing Defendants Objections to States Proposed Jury Questionnaire

3/31/2025

• NewStates Motion to Seal States Response to Defendants Proposed Jury Questionnaire
• NewDefendants Motion to Seal Exhibits to 3rd Supplemental Response Request RE Expert Witnesses Penalty Phase
• NewDefendants Motion to Seal Defendants Objections to the States Proposed Jury Questionnaire
• NewDefendants Amended Notice of Filing Dec iso Defendants Objection to States MIL RE Text Messages Testimony
• NewDefendants 3rd Supplemental Response to Request for Discovery RE Expert Witnesses Penalty Phase

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger


JUDGE
Hippler, Steven


COUNTY
Boise, Ada, Elmore, Valley

COURT
District

DISTRICT
4

YOUTUBE CHANNEL
Watch

Thank you!

 

[tlcya]

Wow, no prison clothes and now don't call him a murderer. Next, AT will try to change the wording of arrested to "detained".

You know, in a way I get it.... she has very little to work with and apparently BK is hell-bent on not pleading guilty.

no prison clothes is standard during trial or publicly televised hearings. Not at all an unusual ask IMO. As to the defense fighting the use of the term murder during a murder trial - utterly ridiculous. Her little bushy browed client is on trial for murder. A rose by any other name is still a rose at the end of the day.

Agree, she really has zip to work with, hence her clutching at all the straws.

 

[Warwick7]

STATE V. BRYAN C. KOHBERGER​

State v. Bryan C. Kohberger

Information and answers to commonly asked questions about the Vallow Daybell Trial scheduled to take place in Ada County.

adacounty.id.gov

Thank you