4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

[Warwick7]

Maybe, but that's all supposition based on no known information that I've seen, whereas we know for a fact that BF said to DM that Xana was wearing all black. Her being dressed in black is a reasonable (and, I'd argue, factual) explanation for why blood on her may not have been immediately spotted by the victims/their friends without relying on just thoughts of what else might have happened.

In other words, we don't really need to take it another step in thinking of scenarios out of the blue for why they didn't see her blood. We already have an explanation that's in the record.

MOO.

BBM

Suppositions are speculation.

That is why the original poster said JMO.

Because, that is the joy of being here at WS. We guess, opinion, speculate, M00, chat, chew on and discussing scenarios.

 

[Warwick7]

In Idaho there are three choices
Not Guilty, Guilty and Standing Silent.
It is probably uncommon for most cases because most cases do not involve a quadruple murder. At this point: BK was professing his innocence, AT just took on the case, AT did not have discovery yet and there was intense public interest/focus. It was a stragetic decision by his attorney. IMO, it is not odd for BK to listen to his attorney's advice.
JMO

In M00 is wasn't strategic. In JMO it was ill advised.

 

[Zinn]

Despite BT saying that the 911 call was placed after discovering X,

In the case at bar, most of the declarations made were present sense impressions. H.J. located the unresponsive body of Xana Kernodle and informed B.F. and D.M. to call 911.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-REDACTED-Motion-inLimine-RE-911-Call.pdf

The audio captures HJ discovering E and X on the 911 call.
JMO

When they are checking on X and E, you can hear someone ask:
Do you know where Kaylee is?
Not included in the transcript, but GH pointed it out.

GH transcript and audio

JMO

DM sent a txt to and MM (10:23) and KG (11:29).
No txts/calls to E or X after the sleep break.
JMO

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-States+Reply+to+Defendants+Objection+to+Motion+In+Limine+RE+Text+Messages+and+Testimony.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/031725-Defendants-Obj-States-MiL-Text-Messages-Testimony.pdf

JMO

To me it sounds like 3 maybe 4 people.
HJ, BF, DM plus?
JMO

IMO DM listened to the dispatcher.
Then the group went to check on X.
JMO

Additional information:
Declaration of J Roloff

7. As President of Roloff Digital Forensics, I lead a team of digital forensics examiners and support staff who specialize in investigating alleged internet-related crimes and digital evidence obtained from electronic sources. Since founding the firm, we have examined thousands of computer hard drives, mobile devices, and electronic datasets. We regularly advise attorneys on our findings and compare those findings against law enforcement and third-party forensic reports.

8. I’ve been retained as a Digital Forensic Examiner (DFE) to assist Ms. Anne Taylor, Esq. and the defense team in the Idaho vs. Bryan Kohberger case.

9. I have reviewed the documents titled “DM 11.13 Bubble Format” and “BM 11.13 Bubble Format”, which contain data extracted from mobile devices used by individuals identified as “DM” and “BM,” respectively. These documents reflect periods of activity on the mobile devices that would require user interaction with the device for them to occur, specifically for the date of November 13, 2022.

10. The documents include artifacts and content demonstrating a variety of user interactions, including:
• Incoming and outgoing native text messages
• Incoming and outgoing Snapchat message artifacts, indicated by the application identifier “com.toyopagroup.picaboo”
• Voice and video calls conducted via Snapchat and the native phone dialer
• Creation, modification, and deletion of multimedia files such as images and videos
• Application usage logs showing when specific apps were opened and closed
• Internet browsing artifacts and “cookie” data showing access to particular websites or internet-based services

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/033125+Defendants+Amended+Notice+of+Filing+Dec+iso+Defs+Obj+to+States+MIL+RE+Text+Messages+Testimony.pdf

All JMO

I agree that HJ discovered Xana was dead (or at least “not breathing”) during the 911 call. That’s why he responded “no” when asked if she was breathing. When the call was placed, EA reported Xana had passed out and was not waking up. A recent document indicates DM and BF learned of this due to HJ’s presence, immediately prior to the 911 call (will find this doc and edit post to add shortly). So we’re talking about two different points in time. Initially, HJ/EA believe Xana is passed out, then a few minutes later HJ recognizes she is not breathing.

“Do you know where Kaylee is” was asked after the group had come back downstairs, presumably in the parking area outside the house. I have wondered if that might have been EA since she might have been unfamiliar with Kaylee’s new vehicle and therefore might have assumed she was not at the residence. That’s just speculation though.

Screenshot from recent document drop (sometime around 3/27; searching for doc now):



Friend = EA, previously identified as the additional reporting female on the 911 call.

Edit to add source doc:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-States+Reply+to+Defendants+Objection+to+States+Motion+in+Limine+RE+911+Call.pdf

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

BBM

Suppositions are speculation.

That is why the original poster said JMO.

Because, that is the joy of being here at WS. We guess, opinion, speculate, M00, chat, chew on and discussing scenarios.

I understand that. My point is that the poster asked why blood may have been overlooked on Xana. A very clear explanation, supported by the facts we know, is that Xana was wearing black.

So yes, we can speculate, she then came home, changed, then had a robe on. But whether she did or not, we just don't know. It's certainly fair game to speculate. But what we do know, is that BF saw her in all black. So that's a clear A->Z answer without any extra steps necessary.

Also, just to be clear, I wasn't saying that speculation isn't good. I was just saying that's speculation that isn't based on anything we know. We can speculate forever, of course.

MOO.

 

[Boxer]

In Idaho there are three choices
Not Guilty, Guilty and Standing Silent.
It is probably uncommon for most cases because most cases do not involve a quadruple murder. At this point: BK was professing his innocence, AT just took on the case, AT did not have discovery yet and there was intense public interest/focus. It was a stragetic decision by his attorney. IMO, it is not odd for BK to listen to his attorney's advice.
JMO

True.
But it is not a common plea.

 

[sunshineray]

"...prosecutors said the defense has not fully disclosed the data behind two expert mental health evaluations of Kohberger."

"The state requested additional materials, including test results and the facts supporting the experts’ conclusions, to allow their own experts time to review and prepare a rebuttal. The supplemental discovery request specifically refers to evaluations by forensic psychiatrist Dr. Eileen Ryan and neuropsychologist Rachel Orr."

Former U.S. attorney to represent State of Idaho in case against Bryan Kohberger

Special Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Joshua D. Hurwit is going to represent the State of Idaho in the case against defendant Bryan Kohberger.

www.kivitv.com

The defense turned in a psych report with no dates of evaluation, the report noted no facts for their conclusions and provided no individual test results either!? What did they just sit and shoot the breeze for a few minutes, here and there? Or maybe they just used some old reports from BK's school years to draw conclusions? MO

 

[Balthazar]

Are you are suggesting this is Aryan gang killing. Not a murder the man who's DNA is on the sheath?

My post is about Hurwit. I'm just pointing out what kind of cases Hurwit has prosecuted. He's had quite an interesting career thus far. With him having been a US Attorney, I will be interested to see how he handles himself on this case.

 

[Sachi]

So eerie, disturbing. Ten minutes with a kbar and defenseless victims is actually a lot of time. Awful.

He had that house mapped or he thinks he has super powers.

He. Is. Terrifying.

JMO

With u. His effort over in a blink and he was there while the life left them and

then his signature selfy- his evil , vampire moist or sweaty pale, pink looking emotionally vacuous forced, scrubbed self and that thumb. I can’t

I second
He. Is. Terrifying

My stuff

 

[Zinn]

I agree that HJ discovered Xana was dead (or at least “not breathing”) during the 911 call. That’s why he responded “no” when asked if she was breathing. When the call was placed, EA reported Xana had passed out and was not waking up. A recent document indicates DM and BF learned of this due to HJ’s presence, immediately prior to the 911 call (will find this doc and edit post to add shortly). So we’re talking about two different points in time. Initially, HJ/EA believe Xana is passed out, then a few minutes later HJ recognizes she is not breathing.

“Do you know where Kaylee is” was asked after the group had come back downstairs, presumably in the parking area outside the house. I have wondered if that might have been EA since she might have been unfamiliar with Kaylee’s new vehicle and therefore might have assumed she was not at the residence. That’s just speculation though.

Screenshot from recent document drop (sometime around 3/27; searching for doc now):

View attachment 576809

Friend = EA, previously identified as the additional reporting female on the 911 call.

Edit to add source doc:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-States+Reply+to+Defendants+Objection+to+States+Motion+in+Limine+RE+911+Call.pdf

Page 2 indicates HJ instructed the roommates to call 911. BF and DM are described as learning Xana was passed out and not waking up moments prior to the 911 call placed by BF.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-States+Reply+to+Defendants+Objection+to+States+Motion+in+Limine+RE+911+Call.pdf

 

[Ghostwheel]

In the texts between the survivors that were released a few weeks ago, BF says that Xana was wearing black.

Wasn't that referring to the night before? That was the impression I got. I'm open to interpretation.

 

[EyeCandy]

Wasn't that referring to the night before? That was the impression I got. I'm open to interpretation.

 

[EyeCandy]

odd remark though that she even mentioned Xana wearing black? Did she even see Xana? Did she maybe get confused and was thinking at first the person in the mask was Xana .. than upon further reflection. That whole part of the conversation seemed weird .. how could she see Xana if Xana had been stabbed and was in the floor?

 

[Ghostwheel]

Maybe, but that's all supposition based on no known information that I've seen, whereas we know for a fact that BF said to DM that Xana was wearing all black. Her being dressed in black is a reasonable (and, I'd argue, factual) explanation for why blood on her may not have been immediately spotted by the victims/their friends without relying on just thoughts of what else might have happened.

In other words, we don't really need to take it another step in thinking of scenarios out of the blue for why they didn't see her blood. We already have an explanation that's in the record.

MOO.

On this I disagree. We have a statement that Xana WAS wearing all black, apparently referencing a person walking about the house in all black. Not IS. That means it is one possible explanation, not THE explanation.

If Xana was eating JITB, and was wearing a robe or blanket to keep warm, and still had it after collapsing, it could explain no at first visible injuries or maybe even readily visible blood. Laying somewhere with a blanket makes sense as to passed out and not waking up as opposed to covered in visible blood and lying on the floor.

I kept wondering why anyone would say passed out and not waking up. A blanket or robe makes that make sense in multiple ways. Though were she wearing anything that covered or hid any blood or wounds, it could also make sense. But having put more than my fair share of blankets over passed out people on the floor, seeing a blanket would make my mind go to passed out.

 

[NCWatcher]

On this I disagree. We have a statement that Xana WAS wearing all black, apparently referencing a person walking about the house in all black. Not IS. That means it is one possible explanation, not THE explanation.

If Xana was eating JITB, and was wearing a robe or blanket to keep warm, and still had it after collapsing, it could explain no at first visible injuries or maybe even readily visible blood. Laying somewhere with a blanket makes sense as to passed out and not waking up as opposed to covered in visible blood and lying on the floor.

I kept wondering why anyone would say passed out and not waking up. A blanket or robe makes that make sense in multiple ways. Though were she wearing anything that covered or hid any blood or wounds, it could also make sense. But having put more than my fair share of blankets over passed out people on the floor, seeing a blanket would make my mind go to passed out.

I suppose a blanket could be the trigger for saying passed out. But I think college students who use alcohol frequently or in larger amounts when they do use it tend to assume people "pass out" more often than is really the case for a non-college student population.
MOO

 

[Zinn]

odd remark though that she even mentioned Xana wearing black? Did she even see Xana? Did she maybe get confused and was thinking at first the person in the mask was Xana .. than upon further reflection. That whole part of the conversation seemed weird .. how could she see Xana if Xana had been stabbed and was in the floor?

DM described seeing an unfamiliar man in black on a phone call with BF. They texted soon after. BF likely (IMO) mentioned Xana wearing all black as a potential alternate explanation for what DM had witnessed. DM dismissed that possibility and shared info about the man’s mask.

 

[Zinn]

I kept wondering why anyone would say passed out and not waking up. A blanket or robe makes that make sense in multiple ways. Though were she wearing anything that covered or hid any blood or wounds, it could also make sense. But having put more than my fair share of blankets over passed out people on the floor, seeing a blanket would make my mind go to passed out.

It’s possible Xana’s bedroom door was not open or was ajar but obstructed from the inside when an assessment was made that she had passed out and was not waking up. We don’t know exactly how that assessment was made. Could be due to concern that she was not responding to verbal commands, could be HJ/EA tried calling and heard her phone going off through the door, could be some part of her body was visible, indicating she was on the floor. JMO.

 

[sunshineray]

I think we all realized that AJ would be going on maternity leave soon and therefore the prosecution would need to be bolstered with a new player.

This is just intended as general information: Hurwit has extensive expertise in prosecuting the AK's which are the drug distributors for Mexican Drug Cartels in Idaho. He has also prosecuted financial crimes, hate crimes and child exploitation crimes. Further he has an extensive background in drug prosecutions:

U.S. Attorney Josh Hurwit Concludes Service as Top Federal Law Enforcement Official for Idaho

Josh Hurwit, 44, of Boise, concluded his service today as United States Attorney for the District of Idaho, the top federal law enforcement position in the state. It is customary for political appointees to depart at the start of a new presidential administration. Hurwit thanked President...

www.justice.gov

The final quote from Hurwit stated by the female newscaster in this video is very interesting about 2:45:

2:36
Male newscaster: "US attorneys cases involving AK also involve allegations and convictions of extortion, violent assaults, gambling in prison and drug smuggling. As you just heard like many gangs, Hurwit says AK has a hierarchy and sometimes leaders pull people in involuntarily."

Female newscaster: "Yeah, they do. Hurwit says it's surprising how many people outside prison walls, in fact, who've never even served time or met
these gang members will develop relationships, support and commit crimes for inmates."

I'm of a mind that people are not randomly chosen for jobs, particularly in a major criminal case such as this and there is likely some nexus between the Idaho 4 case/specifically BK and Mr. Hurwit's areas of expertise as a prosecutor.

All JMO.

Nah, he just very recently concluded his service as US Attorney for Idaho and decided to take a new gig. He probably lives close to Boise, was asked and accepted. His credentials dealing with violent assaults and murder are many. There's no drug business involved with the murders of these kids. Most likely just extreme obsession and definitely, IMO, the sociopathic behavior of one individual. Above is AJMO

 

[smamda]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1908296683827634387

I hate youtubes, but I needed this! He's such a creep omg. Thanks for posting.

 

[DizzyB]

It’s possible Xana’s bedroom door was not open or was ajar but obstructed from the inside when an assessment was made that she had passed out and was not waking up. We don’t know exactly how that assessment was made. Could be due to concern that she was not responding to verbal commands, could be HJ/EA tried calling and heard her phone going off through the door, could be some part of her body was visible, indicating she was on the floor. JMO.

Early talk was that the friends had to force the bedroom door open. If Xana was against the door, they may have only gotten a glimpse in the beginning, and then realized.

 

[Chimera]

And someone of similar build and matching brybrows.

The mental gymnastics defy gravity.

Did this twin also steal coveralls, a balaclava from BK? Or BK tossed his purchases because.....?

There's no credible way to construct a SODDI because the SODDI winds up looking just like BK. Timing. Description. Attire. Elantra. Phone hole.

Unless he's an actual twin... with whom he was in lockstep.... and that makes no sense.

It remains that BK has no alibi for 4:09-4:20. His phone was off. His car isn't captured on any cameras anywhere, where previously and later it is.

And somehow the sheath to the Kbar he purchased 8 months prior winds up under the body of one of four victims who were slaughtered. How did it get there? Magic carpet ride? There's no imagination stretch. It was hand delivered, at some point between 4:09 an 4:20, having been couriered there by Elantra from Pullman.

Inventing a third party creates explanation difficulties that aren't supported by the evidence.

JMO

Bbm.
Agreed 100 %.
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