4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

[Auntie Cipation]

odd remark though that she even mentioned Xana wearing black? Did she even see Xana? Did she maybe get confused and was thinking at first the person in the mask was Xana .. than upon further reflection. That whole part of the conversation seemed weird .. how could she see Xana if Xana had been stabbed and was in the floor?

Although the text apparently said "Xana was wearing all black" I think that was a mistake in her text. From the context of the rest of the posted text exchange, I think it's clear she was referring to the man she saw in the ski mask as who was wearing all black.

Whether she had started to say something about Xana and changed her mind but didn't erase the word before typing the rest of her sentence, or whether it was an autocorrect mistake or some other lack of punctuation issue, I don't think the text was referring to what Xana was wearing. The surviving girls were obviously stressed and not about to proofread their messages before hitting 'send'.

MOO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Wasn't that referring to the night before? That was the impression I got. I'm open to interpretation.

No. The remark was said to imply that the person in "all black" could have been Xana since she was wearing black.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

On this I disagree. We have a statement that Xana WAS wearing all black, apparently referencing a person walking about the house in all black. Not IS. That means it is one possible explanation, not THE explanation.

I never said it was "the" explanation. I said "Her being dressed in black is a reasonable (and, I'd argue, factual) explanation for why blood on her may not have been immediately spotted" and "We already have an explanation that's in the record."

If Xana was eating JITB, and was wearing a robe or blanket to keep warm, and still had it after collapsing, it could explain no at first visible injuries or maybe even readily visible blood. Laying somewhere with a blanket makes sense as to passed out and not waking up as opposed to covered in visible blood and lying on the floor.

And someone wearing all black would also explain it. We can all believe what we want. I'm just going by what's already factually stated in the record.

 

[Sachi]

Kaylee was known for her kind and outgoing personality, her ability to make people laugh, and her love for her friends and family

Madison was described as a gentle and caring person who brought positivity and kindness to those around her.
She had a sunny personality and lived her life with optimism, drawing people
She greeted people with a hug and always made sure they knew they were loved.

Madison was known for her offbeat and hilarious sense of humor, making people laugh.
She was a strong-willed person who enjoyed her independent life in college

Xana was lighthearted — the kind of person who always lifted up a room, her older sister Jazzmin Kernodle said.
"You rarely get to meet someone like Xana," her sister said via text message. "She was so positive, funny and was loved by everyone who met her."

Ethan was happy, kind, generous, and wise beyond his years. He was that person who made everyone around him feel good.


No intention of saying more about one than another, just grabbed what I could find quickly.

 

[sunshineray]

In M00 is wasn't strategic. In JMO it was ill advised.

I think it was strictly a negotiation tactic. If they got him as good as I believe they do, not having a "not guilty" plea to recant may help with possibly getting the DP dropped when he pleas. JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

No. The remark was said to imply that the person in "all black" could have been Xana since she was wearing black.

MOO.

Right. The person walking around at night was wearing all black. Not Xana lying on the floor. What she was wearing, not wearing, had on or over her when anyone might have been looking at her and assumed she was passed out rather than deceased has not been specified yet.

 

[katydid23]

Not irrelevant.
The motion was to limit testimony.
JMO

MIL regarding inconclusive

The plain and clear understanding of the word “inconclusive” is that one cannot draw a conclusion. Here, the State apparently intends to proffer the undisclosed opinion that despite this testimony and the language of the report, that Miller has concluded that Mr. Kohberger cannot be excluded. The State has proffered no scientific basis for such an opinion. This testimony would lead to jury confusion, is misleading and would prejudice Mr. Kohberger, especially in light of the very late disclosure of this new opinion. As Miller testified there simply is not enough information to conclude either way if any of the individuals who fell in the inconclusive range, could be a contributor. There is a reason that the lab has an inconclusive range, which is that the data does not allow interpretation.

Mr. Kohberger’s motion to limit the testimony of Miller regarding Item Q13.1. should be granted. Allowing the State to proffer at this late date a brand new opinion that contradicts not only the written report but Miller’s grand jury testimony would violate Mr. Kohberger’s right to due process and right to competent counsel. The Court should limit this testimony to avoid prejudice to Mr. Kohberger.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-Defendants-Reply-States-Objection-MIL5-RE-Inconclusive-Data-Redacted.pdf

jmo

So the D wants to limit the discussion on the DNA 3/part mixture under mm's fingernails...and yet:

as we see below, the D claims they have expert testimony concluding that BK was EXCLUDED from that DNA mixture.

It makes me doubt their faith or confidence in their forensics expert. Why suppress that discussion if you can confidently tell the jury that BK was excluded?

SBMFF

The D did do further testing.

MIL 5 Inconclusive data
More importantly, Mr. Kohberger has disclosed that through further independent laboratory testing, he is eliminated as a contributor to Item 13.1.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-Motion-inLimine5-RE-Inconclusive-Data.pdf

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

Anybody download BK's defense investigator richard bitonti affidavit about getting BF to testify at BK's hearing? A copy of that affidavit where page 8 is visible?

 

[katydid23]

odd remark though that she even mentioned Xana wearing black? Did she even see Xana? Did she maybe get confused and was thinking at first the person in the mask was Xana .. than upon further reflection. That whole part of the conversation seemed weird .. how could she see Xana if Xana had been stabbed and was in the floor?

Here is how I interpreted it----

We know now that BF and DM had a short phone call or voice message between them BEFORE this convo,
So I think DM had just told BF about seeing a tall person all in black in the house, and she was scared----
And that could be why BF then said 'Xana was wearing all black' ---as a way to try to explain the scary incident away?

4:23:28 BF to DM “Xana was wearing all black”
4:23:33 DM to BF “I’m freaking out rn”
4:23:42 DM to BF “No it’s like ski mask almost”

So then^^^ DM corrects BF, explaining it couldn't have been Xana because the person was wearing a weird mask..

4:23:48 BF to DM “Stfu”
4:23:51 BF to DM “Actually”
4:23:52 DM to BF “Like he had soemtbinf over is for head and little nd mouth”

 

[sunshineray]

Wasn't that referring to the night before? That was the impression I got. I'm open to interpretation.

Yes the other part of it was, DM describing the balaclava, which I don't think XK was wearing one of those with her black outfit. DM was telling BF, I saw a guy in black and BF was saying, IMO and my words, well XK was wearing black, could you have seen her? To which DM describes his head covering and BF texts her back a slang abbreviation of great surprise. MO, there's no mixing it up as far as who DM saw and what she was describing, and it wasn't XK.

 

[Arkay]

I never said it was "the" explanation. I said "Her being dressed in black is a reasonable (and, I'd argue, factual) explanation for why blood on her may not have been immediately spotted" and "We already have an explanation that's in the record."

IMO, remembering back to the early days, we all saw the exterior of the house with blood dripping down.

I recall how shocking that was because there had to be SO MUCH BLOOD for it to be seeping out of the house onto an exterior wall.

That makes me think that whether Xana was dressed in black or not, it would be immaterial. Such a copious amount of blood that it oozed out of the house’s exterior, it would seem to me that even if she were dressed in black, there had to be way too much blood for it to be absorbed into her clothing and hence difficult to spot.

Looking at the picture again, the blood is seeping out from the bottom floor. I don’t even want to think how flooded in blood those bedrooms must have been that gravity pulled it all the way down from the third and second floors.

JMO

University of Idaho murders: blood seen oozing from house amid reports of previous threat

Months before four University of Idaho students were murdered, a man allegedly menaced a group of students on campus with a knife as new photos emerged of the crime scene.

www.foxnews.com

 

[realanastasia]

It’s possible Xana’s bedroom door was not open or was ajar but obstructed from the inside when an assessment was made that she had passed out and was not waking up. We don’t know exactly how that assessment was made. Could be due to concern that she was not responding to verbal commands, could be HJ/EA tried calling and heard her phone going off through the door, could be some part of her body was visible, indicating she was on the floor. JMO.

The PCA released early on stated XK was visible to the officer as he proceeded down the hall towards her bedroom. EC was “also in the room” which could mean he was not immediately visible to the responding officer in the same way I believe the PCA indicates XK was. So DM or BF might’ve been able to view part of XA’s prone body on the floor and might’ve made a pretty logical (albeit incorrect) guess that she was passed out or unconscious due to having been drinking the previous night.

 

[PinkParis2052]

In Idaho there are three choices
Not Guilty, Guilty and Standing Silent.
It is probably uncommon for most cases because most cases do not involve a quadruple murder. At this point: BK was professing his innocence, AT just took on the case, AT did not have discovery yet and there was intense public interest/focus. It was a stragetic decision by his attorney. IMO, it is not odd for BK to listen to his attorney's advice.
JMO

I really think that it was a smart move on the defense team. IIMO.
source: Here's why the Idaho student murder suspect may have chosen to 'stand silent' in court, experts say

 

[Warwick7]

The PCA released early on stated XK was visible to the officer as he proceeded down the hall towards her bedroom. EC was “also in the room” which could mean he was not immediately visible to the responding officer in the same way I believe the PCA indicates XK was. So DM or BF might’ve been able to view part of XA’s prone body on the floor and might’ve made a pretty logical (albeit incorrect) guess that she was passed out or unconscious due to having been drinking the previous night.

BBM
The door was in M00 pushed open because (HJ?) was calling out their names and trying to check on them. He was able to push open the door, step in, see what had happen, then turns around and says: "Get out! Get out! Get out!"

I don't believe DM or BF saw Xana's body. Thus, this is why LE early on stated XK was visible to the officer as he proceeded down the hall towards her bedroom.

 

[Gigiky]

It’s possible Xana’s bedroom door was not open or was ajar but obstructed from the inside when an assessment was made that she had passed out and was not waking up. We don’t know exactly how that assessment was made. Could be due to concern that she was not responding to verbal commands, could be HJ/EA tried calling and heard her phone going off through the door, could be some part of her body was visible, indicating she was on the floor. JMO.

If Xana's bedroom door was not open o even ajar how did the killer exit.?

 

[Boxer]

odd remark though that she even mentioned Xana wearing black? Did she even see Xana? Did she maybe get confused and was thinking at first the person in the mask was Xana .. than upon further reflection. That whole part of the conversation seemed weird .. how could she see Xana if Xana had been stabbed and was in the floor?

MOO She is just looking for an explanation of what DM was saying.

 

[Zinn]

The PCA released early on stated XK was visible to the officer as he proceeded down the hall towards her bedroom. EC was “also in the room” which could mean he was not immediately visible to the responding officer in the same way I believe the PCA indicates XK was. So DM or BF might’ve been able to view part of XA’s prone body on the floor and might’ve made a pretty logical (albeit incorrect) guess that she was passed out or unconscious due to having been drinking the previous night.

No indication BF/DM assessed that Xana was passed out. That was HJ/EA, as far as we know. HJ then directed BF and DM to call 911.

The report of seeing Xana’s body from the hallway at roughly 4:00 PM is not a refection of visibility into Xana’s bedroom at roughly 12:00 PM when HJ discovered Xana not breathing during the 911 call. HJ and/or police might have altered the position of the door hours before the walkthrough detailed in the PCA. We don’t know one way or another. If the door was closed and HJ pushed it open, it’s understandable because the dispatcher was requesting information unavailable otherwise. JMO.

 

[Zinn]

If Xana's bedroom door was not open o even ajar how did the killer exit.?

That Xana was not found in bed indicates it was a fluid situation. She might have fallen after he exited, she might have been wounded at or just inside her bedroom door and attempted to lock her door afterwards, we don’t know.

 

[sunshineray]

If Xana's bedroom door was not open o even ajar how did the killer exit.?

He probably just closed it behind himself when he left. He's a skinny guy too, easy to slip out even if one of the victims were partially blocking the door. He must have had blood on him. He had to have stripped outside before getting in his car and redressed. JMO

 

[Megnut]

It seems that the bedrooms are rather small, dominated by beds.

If XK was murdered near the door and EC was murdered in bed but in a way that resulted in his body falling between the bed and the wall, pushing the bed outward, it may have pushed against XK's body in such a way that it slumped against the door, in the moments after BK exited, a very bad game of dominoes.

I don't think we have any confirmation, outside of a general assumption (which I think might be incorrect) that HJ ever saw EC. I think EC was obscured by the bed and had profuse blood loss, not immediately visible.

It is possible that HJ could see XK under the door, enough to realize she wasn't moving, wasn't responding. If he shouldered the door open, he may not have seen the extent of XK's injuries unless, for example, he started to roll her over, and that would account for his GET OUT, GET OUT. Shock, adrenaline -- he might not have had a free neuron to consider EC, MM, KG in that moment. Seeing any of XK's injuries would overload one's brain. I think he knew it was a crime scene and knew he didn't want DM or BF seeing what he just saw. Protective mode.

That morning had to feel like a nightmare that spawned nightmares, it just kept getting worse.

JMO