4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

[Megnut]

I get your point about BK's length of incarceration so far, and of course that is going to affect his appearance, however a shrinking body due to lack of meaningful exercise doesn't preclude the defence supplying him with a smaller shirt. One would think that a smart presentation would be the best impression their client could give, afterall they made a big thing about him being allowed to wear a suit to hearings and all. I'm sure the budget could stretch to a better fitting shirt. JMO

Oh, the irony.

Right before our eyes, BK has gone from a professional, business-formal, doctoral scholar, far and above murder, to an overgrown -- but still diminutive -- kindergartener who still can't tie his shoelaces or (my addition) cut his own sammich.

AT is well aware of human nature. People form impressions, often subconsciously. Of course jurors are charged differently, taxed with evaluating only the evidence, ridding themselves of non-evidentiary judgments, but these are hearings, ones AT argued to be public -- remember BK's supposed right to have people know....

Toward this end, for trial, she wanted to give (unsupported testimony as) evidence to help the jury evaluate nonevidence (namely, how BK appears at defense table)! While at the same time intentionally manipulating how BK appears, in order to further enfeeble him. Attempting to play both sides of the argument to her advantage. Let us help you make sense of what you see (of his weirdness) so you don't make subconscious, subjective judgments about his guilt but also please process your subconscious, subjective judgments about his appearance (as he shrinks into a harmless toddler in oversized Carter's) to render him innocent.

I actually have to hand it to AT. She's trying everything. There'll be no ineffective counsel here.

It's just an indefensible case.

Jmo

 

[NCWatcher]

Oh, the irony.

Right before our eyes, BK has gone from a professional, business-formal, doctoral scholar, far and above murder, to an overgrown -- but still diminutive -- kindergartener who still can't tie his shoelaces or (my addition) cut his own sammich.

AT is well aware of human nature. People form impressions, often subconsciously. Of course jurors are charged differently, taxed with evaluating only the evidence, ridding themselves of non-evidentiary judgments, but these are hearings, ones AT argued to be public -- remember BK's supposed right to have people know....

Toward this end, for trial, she wanted to give (unsupported testimony as) evidence to help the jury evaluate nonevidence (namely, how BK appears at defense table)! While at the same time intentionally manipulating how BK appears, in order to further enfeeble him. Attempting to play both sides of the argument to her advantage. Let us help you make sense of what you see (of his weirdness) do you don't make subconscious, subjective judgments about his guilt but also please process your subconscious, subjective judgment about his appearance (as he shrinks into a harmless toddler in oversized Carter's) to render him innocent.

I actually have to hand it to AT. She's trying everything. There'll be no ineffective counsel here.

Just an indefensible case.

Jmo

Maybe. But in my mind, there was no question that early on either he was wearing either a jacket with very padded shoulders and/or he was wearing a bullet proof vest. (We do have pictures of him wearing a suicide vest under orange and that does look bulky.) Certainly he didn't look like anything like a slim not muscular athlete in that suit getup, an advantage for the defense too.
MOO

 

[Megnut]

Having re-read the Judge's order, I am even more impressed with DM's statements. Not only does she provide a compelling description of the intruder that perfectly comports to BK's defining features, she absolutely nails the haze of alcohol/sleep and her thought processes as she processed reality through the fog.

It was surely a confusing morning for her at 4am, scary yet surreal, tentative, but stone cold accurate in all the ways that matter.

My heart goes out to her because the survivor's guilt must be beyond measure, but the stark truth, had she somehow intervened that night, she'd be dead, too. Had she called 911 early, no lives would have been saved. BK brought a deadly weapon that he used fully.

One day, may she take comfort in knowing that, by opening her door, by being able to describe what she saw, by texting her roommates thus locking in an undisputable timeline, she did right by MM, KG, XK and EC. Ultimately may her testimony put BK away for good so that he can do no more harm.

May the rude and unkind element of social media fade away and the kinder, gentler one endure.

The stuff of nightmares, she faced a murderer in the dark of night, and she will have to face him again, in the light of court. He brought her four friends down with a knife. She will bring him down with the truth.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

Bringing this forward as I wasn't in time to reply on the last thread (I got distracted with softball lol).

I think maybe DM slightly misheard, and it's possible that she heard Xana say "Is someone here?" Rather than making the statement "Someone is here", as a result of seeing the sliding door open. Especially if she had just closed it after receiving her delivery?

I don't know..... hmmm....

 

[Warwick7]

Maybe. But in my mind, there was no question that early on either he was wearing either a jacket with very padded shoulders and/or he was wearing a bullet proof vest. (We do have pictures of him wearing a suicide vest under orange and that does look bulky.) Certainly he didn't look like anything like a slim not muscular athlete in that suit getup, an advantage for the defense too.
MOO

Oh but he does...
In M00 he looks exactly like a slim not muscular athlete in that suit.

 

[Arkay]

All that about intentionally baggy clothes and lowered chairs in the last thread may be true. But BK has been jailed for nearly 1 1/2 years and it's not surprising some clothes might start to fit differently. And while the "bodybuilding prisoner" is a common image, not everyone in jail fits that stereotype, especially if an incarcerated person prefers bodybuilding through running.

Perhaps.

But why no tie? That would obviously fit him, no matter his body type.

He previously appeared in court with suit and tie. Then no jacket and no tie.

IMO that is all a studied ploy to diminish his affect, from an athletic man to a weakling child. A boy without the strength to harm anyone.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

Having re-read the Judge's order, I am even more impressed with DM's statements. Not only does she provide a compelling description of the intruder that perfectly comports to BK's defining features, she absolutely nails the haze of alcohol/sleep and her thought processes as she processed reality through the fog.

It was surely a confusing morning for her at 4am, scary yet surreal, tentative, but stone cold accurate in all the ways that matter.

My heart goes out to her because the survivor's guilt must be beyond measure, but the stark truth, had she somehow intervened that night, she'd be dead, too. Had she called 911 early, no lives would have been saved. BK brought a deadly weapon that he used fully.

One day, may she take comfort in knowing that, by opening her door, by being able to describe what she saw, by texting her roommates thus locking in an undisputable timeline, she did right by MM, KG, XK and EC. Ultimately may her testimony put BK away for good so that he can do no more harm.

May the rude and unkind element of social media fade away and the kinder, gentler one endure.

The stuff of nightmares, she faced a murderer in the dark of night, and she will have to face him again, in the light of court. He brought her four friends down with a knife. She will bring him down with the truth.

JMO

B e a u tifully said...

 

[Warwick7]

Last time AT complained about not being able to get through all the discovery JH told her to hire 5 or 6 more paralegals. lol I don't see him granting any more 'extensions" ~ hopefully not anyhow!! moo!

Cough cough. I wonder if she got them hired?

 

[Cool Cats]

Having re-read the Judge's order, I am even more impressed with DM's statements. Not only does she provide a compelling description of the intruder that perfectly comports to BK's defining features, she absolutely nails the haze of alcohol/sleep and her thought processes as she processed reality through the fog.

It was surely a confusing morning for her at 4am, scary yet surreal, tentative, but stone cold accurate in all the ways that matter.

My heart goes out to her because the survivor's guilt must be beyond measure, but the stark truth, had she somehow intervened that night, she'd be dead, too. Had she called 911 early, no lives would have been saved. BK brought a deadly weapon that he used fully.

One day, may she take comfort in knowing that, by opening her door, by being able to describe what she saw, by texting her roommates thus locking in an undisputable timeline, she did right by MM, KG, XK and EC. Ultimately may her testimony put BK away for good so that he can do no more harm.

May the rude and unkind element of social media fade away and the kinder, gentler one endure.

The stuff of nightmares, she faced a murderer in the dark of night, and she will have to face him again, in the light of court. He brought her four friends down with a knife. She will bring him down with the truth.

JMO

B e a u tifully said...

Yes. Said very well.

 

[Warwick7]

I gather from this that Aug 21, 2022 was one of the twenty-three times that BK's cell-phone was consistent with being in the area of 1122 King Road, between July 9, 2022 and Nov 7, 2022, and the video of the night-time traffic stop helps to corroborate some of that expected testimony. If there is a time stamp on the video, and it is later at night, after 10 pm, that will be even stronger corroboration. JMO

If I remember right the time stamp is 11:40pm....yep even stronger corroboration!

 

[Warwick7]

Yes, what is the date of this traffic stop? The way that Footnote is worded almost had me wondering if it was after the charged crime. I had to read it more than once. Bit confusing. I like the bolded sentence before the Footnote.

Eta: SteveP and I must have been typing at the same time.

Check with the others, but I think it was August 21st or 22nd and by using his phone they could tell that he had just left from sitting outside of their home. I had posted earlier, that's what he deserves for possible voyeurism...lol!

 

[Warwick7]

Perhaps.

But why no tie? That would obviously fit him, no matter his body type.

He previously appeared in court with suit and tie. Then no jacket and no tie.

IMO that is all a studied ploy to diminish his affect, from an athletic man to a weakling child. A boy without the strength to harm anyone.

JMO

Oh you nailed this! And this diminished affect has transpired over time bit by bit.

 

[NCWatcher]

Oh but he does...
In M00 he looks exactly like a slim not muscular athlete in that suit.

We'll have to disagree on that one. He looks quite "broad" to me in pics taken in the unbuttoned suit jacket..At me he sort of looks like a "slimmer" offensive lineman in football, not a slim athlete.
MOO

 

[Warwick7]

That photo, of JH... with his L shaped hand/fingers positioned ever so exhaustedly (from listening to AT's woes? lol) on his chin makes me smile every time I see him do that . He's attentive and has so many endearing expressions, so down to earth and 'business' leaving no legal stones unturned. This will end in favor of the 4 Angels and their families imo.. I'm very glad JH is the judge now in this case.

His expressions are the bomb! He is real and honest. Annnnd he has no qualms interrupting an atty to make a point. Love it!

 

[Warwick7]

expanding one of the quotes from the same document:

Regarding November 13, 2022, D.M. testified she woke up around 4:00 a.m. to noises. She testified she opened her door and heard a man's voice say, "It's okay, I'm going to help you. And I didn't know who the man's voice was." D.M. testified she opened her door again and saw "a figure in all black, which I believe was a person.

In order to have more context, you have to look the PCA:

D.M. stated she was awoken at approximately 4:00 a.m. by what she stated sounded like Goncalves playing with her dog in one of the upstairs bedrooms, which were located on the third floor. A short time later, D.M. said she heard who she thought was Goncalves say something to the effect of "there's someone here." A review of records obtained from a forensic download of Kemodle's phone showed this could also have been Kemodle as her cellular phone indicated she was likely awake and using the TikTok app at approximately 4:12 a.m. D.M. stated she looked out of her bedroom but did not see anything when she heard the comment about someone being in the house. D.M. stated she opened her door a second time when she heard what she thought was crying coming from Kemodle's room. D.M. then said she heard a male voice say something to the effect of "it's ok, I'm going to help you." At approximately 4:17 a.m., a security camera located at 1112 King Road, a residence immediately to the northwest of 1122 King Road, picked up distorted audio of what sounded like voices or a whimper followed by a loud thud. A dog can also be heard barking numerous times starting at 4:17 a-m. The security camera is less than fifty feet from the west wall of Kernodle's bedroom. D.M. stated she opened her door for the third time after she heard the crying and saw a figure clad in black clothing and a mask that covered the person's mouth and nose walking towards her. D.M. described the figure as 5' 10" or taller, male, not very muscular, but athletically built with bushy eyebrows. The male walked past D.M. as she stood in a "frozen shock phase." The male walked towards the back sliding glass door.

opened door 1st time: after hearing "there's someone here," looked out, didn't see anything
opened door 2nd time: after hearing crying coming from X's room, then heard "it's okay, I'm going to help you."
opened door 3rd time: doesn't state here what was the reason for opening the door the third time

So, she believed she heard crying from X's room, then opened the door and heard the "it's okay" part. IMHO, at the point at which he said that, he would have already interacted with X/gained control over her due to 1) DM had already heard what she thought was a whimper from X's room and 2) with her door open, she would have heard if BK was then actively subduing Xana...and she doesn't report that. X was already in her room when that was said....and I believe the reason DM then didn't hear any sounds of attack is because Xana had already been severely attacked, then Ethan, and then upon hearing Xana make noises that indicated she wasn't dead yet but had no ability to struggle significantly (at which point DM then opened her door), the killer went back to Xana for a final time while saying those words, and proceeded to deal her some final wounds.

I'm going to have to re-read this several times to process this. By the way good work!

You wrote:
"D.M. stated she opened her door a second time when she heard what she thought was crying coming from Kemodle's room. D.M. THEN said she heard a male voice say something to the effect of "it's ok, I'm going to help you."

Just so I have this straight, she heard crying, opened her door again, and that's when she heard a male voice say "It's ok, I'm going to help you."?
 

 

[Warwick7]

I don't believe it for a second, but at least Door Dash man gives BK and AT something to work with, ie another person who was definitely at the house. I'm surprised the Defence hasn't made more of it.

My guess? His tracks and timing can be traced. Forgive me, I can't remember which Gray Hughes video I watched, but he said that the Door Dash pinged his key fob when he got out and when he entered his car again. So those time stamps along with the timestamp of the food delivery, and possible timestamps over the next few hours and hours of him delivering food would be his alibi.

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1913391114754666813

I'd have to watch it again to get the time stamp, and right now I'm too lazy to do that, but at one point GH brings out that the new documents state that at 4:19am is when BK walked past DM. That would have been a minute and a half or possibly 2 minutes after the thud was heard at 4:17.

 

[Warwick7]

I wonder what he told the officer that he was doing or where he was coming from? Don't cops usually ask drivers that as a starting place in the convo during a traffic stop?

Cop: Hello sir, can I see your ID and Ins card, and where are ya headed tonight?

Yes, I have been asked this very thing. Oh boy I would love to know what BK said to him.

 

[Warwick7]

If XK was outside her bedroom when first encountering/seeing him, she could have scooted into her bedroom and he said at the doorway, " It's okay. I'm here to help you" to both EC (could have just been woken by XK) and XK. EC could have been killed very quickly at the door area and then XK manage to fight back enough to have defensive injuries but he overpowered her, pushing her across the room to that outside wall. Could be why the neighbor's camera picked up the sounds it did?

I agree with you. Except I believe EC was found on the bed. I don't think he ever stood a chance. Once BK saw that he was there he had to eliminate him quickly.

I think the whole reason he chased Xana was because he feared she'd dial 911 so he had to get rid of her.

And then once he got rid of Ethan I do agree with you I think he went back to finish Xana off. I do think at that point she managed to stand back up, and yes either the thud was that she was thrown against a wall or the thud was that she hit the floor.

 

[sunshineray]

I agree with you. Except I believe EC was found on the bed. I don't think he ever stood a chance. Once BK saw that he was there he had to eliminate him quickly.

I think the whole reason he chased Xana was because he feared she'd dial 911 so he had to get rid of her.

And then once he got rid of Ethan I do agree with you I think he went back to finish Xana off. I do think at that point she managed to stand back up, and yes either the thud was that she was thrown against a wall or the thud was that she hit the floor.

This says both found on the floor.

"Police arrived to find Kernodle and Chapin dead on the floor of the second floor. Upstairs, Goncalves and Mogen were dead in one of the beds with visible stab wounds."

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