4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

[pittsburghgirl]

There are project-based, coursework-only, and thesis-based master's degrees. Sometimes students who can't do the track they were on can switch to another track they can graduate from. Sometimes they leave without graduating and go to a different school. Basis: MOO, I work at university graduate school. BK started a thesis/research based degree but ran into trouble with data and switched to another track to finish.

Fleur, you got it right. This was from the Daily Mail, after the arrest:

I was one of the professors who helped Bryan with his proposal on his graduate thesis, his capstone project. He did put out a routine questionnaire for his thesis. It looks weird, I understand from the public view. But in criminology it's normal.'

'It's a criminology theory called script theory, it's a normal theory on how and why criminals commit their crime, etc.'

Bolger said, Bryan didn't even end up using any of the data he gleaned from the questionnaire, 'you aren't going to find it anywhere.'

Instead, she said, because he ran out of time, 'his graduate thesis was a narrative one based on the information.'

The data was from that weird questionnaire he posted on Reddit, but "he ran out of time" and wrote a "narrative" thesis instead of a research study based on data.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I agree, and again, I do not think his plans were for committing four murders. Had he only committed one, as, I believe the plan may have been, perhaps he assumed the crime investigation would stay local. JMO

I agree, and again, I do not think his plans were for committing four murders. Had he only committed one, as, I believe the plan may have been, perhaps he assumed the crime investigation would stay local. JMO

I've always thought he went in to murder as many women as he could but who knows?

 

[Megnut]

Fleur, you got it right. This was from the Daily Mail, after the arrest:

The data was from that weird questionnaire he posted on Reddit, but "he ran out of time" and wrote a "narrative" thesis instead of a research study based on data.

He skated.

Didn't do the work. Probably had no data. Just anecdotal answers he plucked from his own brain and ascribed to people he probably never talked to. Probably sold a we-don't-have-crosswalks sort of prisons-are-on-pandemic-lockdown-so....

Didn't do the work but got the credit anyway.

Too busy playing with his new knife.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

Drawing on this discussion, if there's merit, it would have been taken from XK's room. (I wonder if any blood dripped on the upper staircase.) When he left MM's room, he was aware a female was awake (if he heard DM), so he'd descended IMO with sword drawn.

Once he left XK's room, IMO he was hellbent on getting the hell out, might have grabbed a shirt to contain the blood. He may have attempted to wipe his shoes off too. Maybe the shirt or shirts XK and/or EC were verified to have been wearing were missing from the crime scene.

JMO

Very very interesting
I still feel he came down the steps and startled XK going to the kitchen or coming back from the kitchen. If it was the latter then she could have easily said "hey someone is here" and ran for her bedroom.

MM, it sounds like, she drown in her own blood. With KG, unless there was a spray of blood, I'm not sure he left there super bloody.

However, with Xana, that's a different story. It does sound like she fought him hard. It could very well be BK grabbed a shirt off a dresser or a chair of some sort after XA hit the floor in a thud.

And yes to DM it could look like a hand held vacuum. My guess he would have known his sheath was gone, well maybe.

 

[katydid23]

Bryan Kohberger's new mugshot tantalizes his twisted fans

Bryan Kohberger's twisted fans, who are infatuated by quadruple murder suspect, have descended into a frenzy after his new mugshot was published by Ada County Sheriff's Office this week.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In case anyone missed this from last September - New mugshot

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The expression on his face is so odd, imo.

If I was incarcerated, waiting for my DP trial, falsely accused of brutally killing 4 students, that^^^ is not the expression on my face.

I think I'd look sad, sullen, fearful, depressed, angry? But he looks almost satisfied, smiling slightly, calm?

 

[Megnut]

Very very interesting
I still feel he came down the steps and startled XK going to the kitchen or coming back from the kitchen. If it was the latter then she could have easily said "hey someone is here" and ran for her bedroom.

MM, it sounds like, she drown in her own blood. With KG, unless there was a spray of blood, I'm not sure he left there super bloody.

However, with Xana, that's a different story. It does sound like she fought him hard. It could very well be BK grabbed a shirt off a dresser or a chair of some sort after XA hit the floor in a thud.

And yes to DM it could look like a hand held vacuum. My guess he would have known his sheath was gone, well maybe.

I think we're circling the truth.

No one puts a bloody knife in a sheath. I mean, maybe you do if you know you're going to bury it...

IMO he left the third floor fully intending to use the knife on whoever was awake below. It wasn't until he left XK that he might have realized he didn't want to drip blood all over...

Realistically, it's like the sheath served its purpose, it got him in the door, blade protected.

I wonder if someone could re-enact that hand placement. One victim. One assailant. Pulls the knife out of the sheath, that hand goes to the bed for leverage, the other hand has the knife, thrusts/plunges, but suddenly there's a second victim, hand comes up leaving the sheath on the bed.

FWIW I don't think he ever planned to put a bloody knife back in the sheath.

Doubt it bothered him. He thought he'd cleaned it.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

He probably needed to stay home and sleep. Would be interesting to know, and we may learn, how much time he spent at home between midnight Friday night and 8 am Monday morning. I think the day before, kept him awake, anticipating what he was going to do, maybe even doing a trial run, the excitement of it all, like a kid who can't sleep on Christmas Eve. I bet there was very little time at home, for sleep that weekend, either before or after the killings, and when he was home, he was probably glued to a tv or computer/phone, trying to find any and all coverage of the murders. That missing sheath probably kept him awake too. JMO

By 9 am on the 14th, he was doing a drive-by of the crime scene. Then he returned home, took the selfie, and headed out again for coffee and to buy groceries and supplies around noonish. Busy Busy Bee...

 

[Warwick7]

I think we're circling the truth.

No one puts a bloody knife in a sheath. I mean, maybe you do if you know you're going to bury it...

IMO he left the third floor fully intending to use the knife on whoever was awake below. It wasn't until he left XK that he might have realized he didn't want to drip blood all over...

Realistically, it's like the sheath served its purpose, it got him in the door, blade protected.

I wonder if someone could re-enact that hand placement. One victim. One assailant. Pulls the knife out of the sheath, that hand goes to the bed for leverage, the other hand has the knife, thrusts/plunges, but suddenly there's a second victim, hand comes up leaving the sheath on the bed.

FWIW I don't think he ever planned to put a bloody knife back in the sheath.

Doubt it bothered him. He thought he'd cleaned it.

JMO

I now wonder if KG woke up, starting kicking him and the knife fell. He had to get control of the situation so he punched her in the face. He then grabs his knife and stabs her.

Was he angry and that's why she had many many stab wounds??

 

[MassGuy]

I now wonder if KG woke up, starting kicking him and the knife fell. He had to get control of the situation so he punched her in the face. He then grabs his knife and stabs her.

Was he angry and that's why she had many many stab wounds??

I could see him being angry. He had this all planned out, intending to kill just MM. Her presence threw a huge wrench in his plan. The latest filing talked about him being quite regimented, "fixated on the routine or timing of breaks." Perhaps he's not one to take well to deviation in plans.

It's also entirely possible that this was practical, and she struggled a bit (punches to gain control, and more stab wounds because they weren't well placed due to her movement).

I found something else interesting when I went back to look at what the psychologist said. She talked about him being highly distracted by sounds or activity occurring around him, and as a result she had to repeat instructions to him.

This may factor in to him leaving the sheath behind (distracted by KG's presence, or noises he heard downstairs).

 

[INfisherman]

I think that's entirely possible. Had he realized he left the sheath behind, I think that morning trip back to the crime scene doesn't happen. If he's returning to the area to watch/get off on the law enforcement response, you'd think he didn't have any concern about the sheath at the time. I'd expect some level of panic if he knew it was missing, and he'd want nothing to do with that area.

Who knows though. He's a super weird dude, and the usual rules may not apply.

100% yes, super weird, creep, rules of the norm likely don’t apply.

MOO - He either returned to gloat/observe his carnage or hope to look for the sheath.

 

[Warwick7]

I could see him being angry. He had this all planned out, intending to kill just MM. Her presence threw a huge wrench in his plan. The latest filing talked about him being quite regimented, "fixated on the routine or timing of breaks." Perhaps he's not one to take well to deviation in plans.

It's also entirely possible that this was practical, and she struggled a bit (punches to gain control, and more stab wounds because they weren't well placed due to her movement).

I found something else interesting when I went back to look at what the psychologist said. She talked about him being highly distracted by sounds or activity occurring around him, and as a result she had to repeat instructions to him.

This may factor in to him leaving the sheath behind (distracted by KG's presence, or noises he heard downstairs).

Well then, it makes it all the more worse when coming down the stairs he catches site of Xana. As she runs to her room he has to eliminate her. ONLY to find out now he has to attack the guy in the room.

Everything went wonky....

 

[INfisherman]

He skated.

Didn't do the work. Probably had no data. Just anecdotal answers he plucked from his own brain and ascribed to people he probably never talked to. Probably sold a we-don't-have-crosswalks sort of prisons-are-on-pandemic-lockdown-so....

Didn't do the work but got the credit anyway.

Too busy playing with his new knife.

JMO

Excuse my potentially insensitive wording.

He wasn’t studying course materials or writing a true thesis, that was secondary. He was studying how to kill people based on the information he was gathering & playing perpetrator with his new USMC backup weapon.

Going forward, I’m thinking out loud a bit. This whole t-shirt around the knife thing. If he’s already planned to strip off the outerwear, no point in picking something up which could be potential evidence in a victim’s shirt is there? He’d have to know he was going to get messy - just wipe the blade on a leg or sleeve or chest. Much easier & no wasting time looking for this wrapping. If I’m carrying a knife to stab people who are likely asleep, the knife is going to be in stabbing position, downward & along my forearm, not pointing up as if I’m preparing a fine vegan meal with a chef’s knife or stab upwards or forward - I’m in a house where occupants should be asleep. I’m stabbing down. Maybe that vacuum looking attachment was just the knife?

Here’s something to ponder from a selfie I just took. What does this vacuum cleaner attachment look like when carried as shown (or in "chef" position for that matter)? A little short but the profile is strikingly similar to Brybry’s new toy from Amazon.



Spitballing, JMO.

 

[INfisherman]

I could see him being angry. He had this all planned out, intending to kill just MM. Her presence threw a huge wrench in his plan. The latest filing talked about him being quite regimented, "fixated on the routine or timing of breaks." Perhaps he's not one to take well to deviation in plans.

It's also entirely possible that this was practical, and she struggled a bit (punches to gain control, and more stab wounds because they weren't well placed due to her movement).

I found something else interesting when I went back to look at what the psychologist said. She talked about him being highly distracted by sounds or activity occurring around him, and as a result she had to repeat instructions to him.

This may factor in to him leaving the sheath behind (distracted by KG's presence, or noises he heard downstairs).

…or he was angry another occupant was in bed with his girl?

MOO

 

[crhedBngr]

100% yes, super weird, creep, rules of the norm likely don’t apply.

MOO - He either returned to gloat/observe his carnage or hope to look for the sheath.

RBBM

I'm thinking it was the former.

With all that driving around, burying things, star-gazing at overcast skies, when did he have time to miss the knife sheath?

IMO, he was running high on adrenaline (as evidenced by the lovely "thumbs-up" selfie by the wrinkly shower curtain) and had had no sleep. I'm thinking he thought he'd gotten away with it.

Obviously, I could be wrong. Time will tell; hopefully we'll find out at trial.

JMVHO.

 

[MassGuy]

Excuse my potentially insensitive wording.

He wasn’t studying course materials or writing a true thesis, that was secondary. He was studying how to kill people based on the information he was gathering & playing perpetrator with his new USMC backup weapon.

Going forward, I’m thinking out loud a bit. This whole t-shirt around the knife thing. If he’s already planned to strip off the outerwear, no point in picking something up which could be potential evidence in a victim’s shirt is there? He’d have to know he was going to get messy - just wipe the blade on a leg or sleeve or chest. Much easier & no wasting time looking for this wrapping. If I’m carrying a knife to stab people who are likely asleep, the knife is going to be in stabbing position, downward & along my forearm, not pointing up as if I’m preparing a fine vegan meal with a chef’s knife or stab upwards or forward - I’m in a house where occupants should be asleep. I’m stabbing down. Maybe that vacuum looking attachment was just the knife?

Here’s something to ponder from a selfie I just took. What does this vacuum cleaner attachment look like when carried as shown (or in "chef" position for that matter)? A little short but the profile is strikingly similar to Brybry’s new toy from Amazon.

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Spitballing, JMO.

Yup, I believe he was simply carrying the knife, and DM's brain didn't process it (dark, drunk, tired, context).

Wipe the blood on his coveralls, walk out of the house, and throw knife, clothes, gloves, etc in a bag.

 

[INfisherman]

Yup, I believe he was simply carrying the knife, and DM's brain didn't process it (dark, drunk, tired, context).

Wipe the blood on his coveralls, walk out of the house, and throw knife, clothes, gloves, etc in a bag.

That & potentially confusing if held in a position for combat, which is in many cases along the forearm, edge outward (backhanded). That’s not the traditional image many might think of a knife being carried/held. Probably a bit more common if combat/fighting is on the menu, IMO.

 

[INfisherman]

RBBM

I'm thinking it was the former.

Did the selfie give it away?

 

[crhedBngr]

Did the selfie give it away?

LOL!

Yes, indeedy!


JMVHO.

 

[Boxer]

He skated.

Didn't do the work. Probably had no data. Just anecdotal answers he plucked from his own brain and ascribed to people he probably never talked to. Probably sold a we-don't-have-crosswalks sort of prisons-are-on-pandemic-lockdown-so....

Didn't do the work but got the credit anyway.

Too busy playing with his new knife.

JMO

And then at WSU real work was required. Real grading, real class management real filling the role as expected. A far cry from a carefully cultivated Zoom presence a few hours a week and skating on final projects.
He was not prepared.

 

[katydid23]

And then at WSU real work was required. Real grading, real class management real filling the role as expected. A far cry from a carefully cultivated Zoom presence a few hours a week and skating on final projects.
He was not prepared.

Yes, and being a TA is just not in his wheelhouse.

TA's need to be perceptive, self aware, understanding and open in order to do a competent job. And they will always be criticised, assessed , judged and appraised by the students.
Fairly or unfairly.