4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

[Megnut]

Check with the others, but I think it was August 21st or 22nd and by using his phone they could tell that he had just left from sitting outside of their home. I had posted earlier, that's what he deserves for possible voyeurism...lol!

And hold these revelations up hard against AT's insistence against stalking (which the State confirmed, but for vastly different reasons.

Clearly BK was aware of that house. Fixated, one night argue. 23 times? Plus 4 times in the middle of the night on 11/13 and one more time around 9:30 that same morning. And what was he doing there? Remember how AT said BK was driving around, just "not over there"? And remember her making this point -- he was driving, not stopping.

And yet, it sure looks like the facts prove otherwise. He was driving over there, he was stopping. And why?

To see the stars over 1122? To run in a new neighborhood? To appreciate architecture? I don't for a second think he was admiring window style. He was looking through windows. For what possible other reason?

How did he settle on that house? Was it his first or only obsession? We may never know. We may never know who else might have been in his scope, post Kbar purchase. But it is frightening as hell to think he might have been visiting that house in the middle of the nights dozens of times over a span of as many as five months. How invisible he must have felt, perhaps on many levels, and part of his revenge motive. Punishing innocents for being unknown.

AT calls it "spending excessive time in the dark" and even she can't keep thst con sounding creepy as hell. He IS the monster that lurks in the shadows.

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

All that about intentionally baggy clothes and lowered chairs in the last thread may be true. But BK has been jailed for nearly 1 1/2 years and it's not surprising some clothes might start to fit differently. And while the "bodybuilding prisoner" is a common image, not everyone in jail fits that stereotype, especially if an incarcerated person prefers bodybuilding through running. Also as this article states

Bryan Kohberger fitted with protective helmet after landing in Idaho

Video posted to Twitter shows sheriff’s deputies placing the protective headgear on the high-profile suspect at an airport near Moscow, Idaho, late Wednesday to ensure he was safely transported to …

nypost.com

BK was transported to Idaho in a suicide vest and that would bulk him up. He was also fitted with a protection helmet at the airport. According to the above link "It is unclear why exactly officers decided to fit Kohberger with the protective helmet, but many on Twitter noted that Idaho permits the open carrying of firearms."

That makes me think BK may have worn a bullet proof vest under his suit to some hearings, at least initially. Certainly he would not have been described as slim or athletic but not muscular in the bulked up formal attire he wore early on.

Kaylee's father made a big point about the suits, Wanted to know who paid for them. But he was unsuccessful in getting that info because of the gag order. KG, Kaylee's mom said it made her sick to see BK in a suit. (Honestly that came as a surprise to me. As a family member I'd think seeing the person would be enough.) She said “(I’ve) never seen another murderer or whatever he is at this point in a case not in handcuffs, not in shackles, one or the other, or both, and in orange.” I'm not sure how often she goes to pre-trial hearings or follows cases in the media. I can't say I see prison garb in real life NC hearings I've attended. But she does in Idaho. https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime...aylee-goncalves-mother-sick-seeing-kohberger/

The defense team may have wanted to shut up the Goncalves and based on the Supreme Court decision about prison garb being prejudicial took the opportunity to make a motion that was accepted. This gave the team other ways to dress BK "innocent." Also people have pointed out lawyers on both sides are acting more casual in Ada Co than in Moscow. So some of it may be context.
MOO

Being athletic can take many different avenues.
There's a picture of BK in the below article, he's outside during Winter, looks recent. He looks very fit.

"A former school friend [said] Kohberger started boxing in his senior year of high school and had taken criminal justice classes with a view to potentially becoming a cop.

“He always wanted to fight somebody, he was bullying people. We started cutting him off from our friend group because he was 100 percent a different person,” Nick Mcloughlin told the outlet."

Muscle, while weighing the same as fat, takes up less space making a person look slimmer. Boxing and running can make a slimmer build when weight lifting is not involved. I call it a wiry frame. My brother was 6' and built like that (thanks to aikido) and he was strong as an ox. I think BK had a simular build at the time of the murders. Now it seems his defense team are taking advantage of some muscle weight loss, probably from being an incarcerated vegan.

Just some thoughts and AJMO

Who is Bryan Kohberger? What we know about the Idaho murder suspect

Kohberger’s arrest comes almost two months after Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Madison Mogen, 21, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Ethan Chapin, 20, were stabbed to death in their beds.

nypost.com

 

[FansBlowing]

I think Kohberger's motive was to rape Maddy. Sneak into the house, kill her, and then rape her. He could then have hours with her dead body until sunrise. Why her? Possibly an interaction the two of them had at the restaurant where she worked. I guess we will never know, but he is evil for sure.

He is so similar to Ted Bundy. If there is such a thing as reincarnation, then this is my best guess.

 

[Arkay]

From which document did this piece of nonsense come?

BK manages his symptoms by "spending excessive time in the dark".

AT tries so hard to make her salad (cr)edible, but it's all bowl, no fixings.

JMO

AT calls it "spending excessive time in the dark" and even she can't keep thst con sounding creepy as hell. He IS the monster that lurks in the shadows.

I’m wondering (not really) why, if he allegedly feels soothed by spending “excessive time in the dark,” he didn’t just pick the easier route of lying in bed at night with the lights off? Maybe an eye mask too? Blackout shades?

It would seem to me that if someone purportedly has issues with his fine motor skills, and maybe some lingering issues with visual snow, the most difficult option to “manage his symptoms” would be choosing to drive in circles at night.

You need some manual dexterity to drive a car. You certainly need mastery of fine motor skills to operate a cell phone, as we know he can do (the dreadful selfie, for one).

If you need to find solace in the dark by looking at the stars, he could have done that right outside his own apartment. Or do the stars refuse to shine on Pullman?

This whole excuse is just a crock of manure. The man was where he wanted to be.

At that house, at that time, with those people, at a vulnerable time of night.

He “managed his symptoms” by doing what he was exploding to do to those students.

IMO

 

[Balthazar]

This says both found on the floor.

"Police arrived to find Kernodle and Chapin dead on the floor of the second floor. Upstairs, Goncalves and Mogen were dead in one of the beds with visible stab wounds."

Redirect Notice

There were bloodstains on two different mattresses. IMO, one mattress was from MM's room and the other from XK's room.

Blood-stained mattresses removed from home where Idaho students were slain

Law enforcement officers were seen Friday removing two mattresses that appeared to be stained with blood from the Moscow home where four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death.

nypost.com

Blood-stained mattresses removed from Idaho house where four students were murdered

Police work has been winding down at crime scene

www.the-independent.com

I've read variously that EC was on the floor of XK's room and also that he was on the bed in XK's room. It is unfortunate we don't have the actual discovery so we can know which is true.

 

[NoeticSoul]

FWIW (The DM) This article is paywalled but also turns up in the DM "archives". I found this bit interesting speaking about his D team:

"....But they are in the carefully argued process making it clear that their autistic client is a difficult one.
They've stated he's recalcitrant, often uncooperative, and refuses to provide the information they require to defend him. Specifically, they claim that he refuses to help them establish a reasonable alibi for where he was at the time of the murders. In fact, they assert, he doesn't even fully comprehend the gravity of the charges that have been filed."

https://archive.ph/2025.04.17-063057/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14618245/bryan-kohberger-trial-idaho-murders-mother-sabotage.html#selection-1397.0-1415.103

It goes on to say that it is BK's mother who is encouraging him to plead not guilty.

 

[SteveP]

There were bloodstains on two different mattresses. IMO, one mattress was from MM's room and the other from XK's room.

Blood-stained mattresses removed from home where Idaho students were slain

Law enforcement officers were seen Friday removing two mattresses that appeared to be stained with blood from the Moscow home where four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death.

nypost.com

Blood-stained mattresses removed from Idaho house where four students were murdered

Police work has been winding down at crime scene

www.the-independent.com

I've read variously that EC was on the floor of XK's room and also that he was on the bed in XK's room. It is unfortunate we don't have the actual discovery so we can know which is true.

I agree that it is almost certain that one of the bloody mattresses removed was MM's, and the other, XK's. There could have been blood on a mattress in XK's room, and EC still could have been found on the floor, though there seem to be conflicting reports as to where he was found.. He could have been on the bed when the attack began, and may have fallen onto the floor in an effort to get out of bed and escape the attack, or perhaps in a last futile effort to get up and protect XK, after he had been mortally wounded. Maybe the loud thud heard was EC hitting the floor, and not XK. Perhaps we will learn more at trial. JMO

 

[wendy44]

So I think this is what we have so far (please add to or correct what I've missed):

State's Motions
Demonstrative Evidence--GRANTED
AT&T TARs--GRANTED (qualified regarding very brief voir dire outside presence of jury)
404(b) Traffic Stop--GRANTED (with noted redactions)
Alibi--DENIED (premature at this time)
Improper Death Penalty Comments--DENIED as unnecessary
Alternative Perpetrator--RESERVED (proof by 14 May)
Self-Authentication--RESERVED
Immediate Family Members in Court--GRANTED (family of victims) RESERVED (family of defendant)
Neuropsychological and Psychiatric--GRANTED in part, RESERVED in part

Defendant's Motions
Use of Terms Psychopath and Sociopath--GRANTED
Inflammatory Evidence--DENIED
Use of Term Murder--DENIED as unnecessary
Witness ID by Bushy Eyebrows--DENIED
Unnoticed 404(b) Evidence--DENIED
Amazon Click Activity--DENIED
Make and Model of Vehicle--DENIED
Statistical Analysis--DENIED
RN and Use of Touch/Contact DNA--GRANTED in part/DENIED in part
Conditions as Aggravator--GRANTED in part/DENIED in part
Inconclusive Data--DENIED as moot/GRANTED as applied to question asked before Grand Jury

Both State and Defense made motions regarding IGG Evidence, but for different reasons. Motions were GRANTED.

What else?

JMO

 

[al66pine]

DailyMail Headline. Howard Blum

FWIW (The DM) This article is paywalled but also turns up in the DM "archives". I found this bit interesting speaking about his D team:

https://archive.ph/2025.04.17-063057/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14618245/bryan-kohberger-trial-idaho-murders-mother-sabotage.html#selection-1397.0-1415.103

It goes on to say that it is BK's mother who is encouraging him to plead not guilty.

@NoeticSoul Thx for this DM Ap. 17 link, which includes:

This headline:
"Family insiders tell me how Idaho suspect Bryan Kohberger's mother is secretly SABOTAGING his defense... forcing lawyers to take a wild gamble, writes HOWARD BLUM..."bbm

Headline's "sabotaging his defense" is watered down later in link to what may be imo a sortakinda truthy stmt.
"... sources close to Kohberger's family tell me that Kohberger's mother Maryann is encouraging her son to plead not guilty..." bbm


Reporter's reaction & opinion:
"And while the judge has not yet issued his written opinions on many of the dozens of hotly contested motions that were argued, I, a longtime reporter on the case, listened and reached a startling conclusion.
"One of the defense's primary arguments against the death penalty is, I believe, a ploy."


Startled? A ploy he says?
If any longtime reporter in the case is startled on any level - by parties or attorneys in filings or courtroom behavior - I'm verrry startled myself.

imo

 

[Warwick7]

I think Kohberger's motive was to rape Maddy. Sneak into the house, kill her, and then rape her. He could then have hours with her dead body until sunrise. Why her? Possibly an interaction the two of them had at the restaurant where she worked. I guess we will never know, but he is evil for sure.

He is so similar to Ted Bundy. If there is such a thing as reincarnation, then this is my best guess.

I wondered about this.
But...he took extensive precautions to not leave any dna. That leads me to believe he went there just to violently murder. Just my thoughts.

 

[NoeticSoul]

DailyMail Headline. Howard Blum

@NoeticSoul Thx for this DM Ap. 17 link, which includes:

This headline:
"Family insiders tell me how Idaho suspect Bryan Kohberger's mother is secretly SABOTAGING his defense... forcing lawyers to take a wild gamble, writes HOWARD BLUM..."bbm

Headline's "sabotaging his defense" is watered down later in link to what may be imo a sortakinda truthy stmt.
"... sources close to Kohberger's family tell me that Kohberger's mother Maryann is encouraging her son to plead not guilty..." bbm


Reporter's reaction & opinion:
"And while the judge has not yet issued his written opinions on many of the dozens of hotly contested motions that were argued, I, a longtime reporter on the case, listened and reached a startling conclusion.
"One of the defense's primary arguments against the death penalty is, I believe, a ploy."


Startled? A ploy he says?
If any longtime reporter in the case is startled on any level - by parties or attorneys in filings or courtroom behavior - I'm verrry startled myself.

imo

Ha! Yeah I don't like Blum AT ALL. Nor the Dm really... The title of the article is completely clickbait imo And now they're trying to make ppl pay for the clickbait too!! lol

 

[Warwick7]

This says both found on the floor.

"Police arrived to find Kernodle and Chapin dead on the floor of the second floor. Upstairs, Goncalves and Mogen were dead in one of the beds with visible stab wounds."

Redirect Notice

This article has many many mistakes. EC mother said he was found on the bed.

 

[al66pine]

*****Color-Coded Motions & Rulings Score Card = Post of the Day.*****

So I think this is what we have so far (please add to or correct what I've missed):

State's Motions
Demonstrative Evidence--GRANTED
AT&T TARs--GRANTED (qualified regarding very brief voir dire outside presence of jury)
404(b) Traffic Stop--GRANTED (with noted redactions)
Alibi--DENIED (premature at this time)
Improper Death Penalty Comments--DENIED as unnecessary
Alternative Perpetrator--RESERVED (proof by 14 May)
Self-Authentication--RESERVED
Immediate Family Members in Court--GRANTED (family of victims) RESERVED (family of defendant)
Neuropsychological and Psychiatric--GRANTED in part, RESERVED in part

Defendant's Motions
Use of Terms Psychopath and Sociopath--GRANTED
Inflammatory Evidence--DENIED
Use of Term Murder--DENIED as unnecessary
Witness ID by Bushy Eyebrows--DENIED
Unnoticed 404(b) Evidence--DENIED
Amazon Click Activity--DENIED
Make and Model of Vehicle--DENIED
Statistical Analysis--DENIED
RN and Use of Touch/Contact DNA--GRANTED in part/DENIED in part
Conditions as Aggravator--GRANTED in part/DENIED in part
Inconclusive Data--DENIED as moot/GRANTED as applied to question asked before Grand Jury

Both State and Defense made motions regarding IGG Evidence, but for different reasons. Motions were GRANTED.

What else?

JMO

@wendy44
TYVM for this ^ terrific summary w one line motion / one line ruling.
The color coding makes it easier on the eyes and the brain (well, for me).
And thx for your other posts too.

 

[Megnut]

I think Kohberger's motive was to rape Maddy. Sneak into the house, kill her, and then rape her. He could then have hours with her dead body until sunrise. Why her? Possibly an interaction the two of them had at the restaurant where she worked. I guess we will never know, but he is evil for sure.

He is so similar to Ted Bundy. If there is such a thing as reincarnation, then this is my best guess.

BK, Ted Bundy. I think he's set out to improve upon the crimes of SKs who went before him. And I use improved upon in the most grotesque of ways.

I think this was exclusively a sexual crime. And that the use of a knife was purposeful -- for ease, for silence, for lethality and for penetration. So, not a rape in the traditional sense but an assault that, for BK, was sexual. Had he found MM alone, he may have done as you suggest, incapacitate, then assault; it's just possible that the act of murder was itself sexually gratifying.

It was about dominance and power.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

There were bloodstains on two different mattresses. IMO, one mattress was from MM's room and the other from XK's room.

Blood-stained mattresses removed from home where Idaho students were slain

Law enforcement officers were seen Friday removing two mattresses that appeared to be stained with blood from the Moscow home where four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death.

nypost.com

Blood-stained mattresses removed from Idaho house where four students were murdered

Police work has been winding down at crime scene

www.the-independent.com

I've read variously that EC was on the floor of XK's room and also that he was on the bed in XK's room. It is unfortunate we don't have the actual discovery so we can know which is true.

You are right we don't know have actual discovery. But, at the beginning of each thread there is the PCA link and link to pictures. In the pics below one mattress is a twin bed and the one in the forefront is the double bed, which I feel came from XK's room. You can really see the blood.

 

[Megnut]

I’m wondering (not really) why, if he allegedly feels soothed by spending “excessive time in the dark,” he didn’t just pick the easier route of lying in bed at night with the lights off? Maybe an eye mask too? Blackout shades?

It would seem to me that if someone purportedly has issues with his fine motor skills, and maybe some lingering issues with visual snow, the most difficult option to “manage his symptoms” would be choosing to drive in circles at night.

You need some manual dexterity to drive a car. You certainly need mastery of fine motor skills to operate a cell phone, as we know he can do (the dreadful selfie, for one).

If you need to find solace in the dark by looking at the stars, he could have done that right outside his own apartment. Or do the stars refuse to shine on Pullman?

This whole excuse is just a crock of manure. The man was where he wanted to be.

At that house, at that time, with those people, at a vulnerable time of night.

He “managed his symptoms” by doing what he was exploding to do to those students.

IMO

Only AT could try to spin 'excessive time in the dark' as something medicinal when it's actually the crux of the case.

It would be like describing a peeping Tom as someone who just really likes windows.

Spending time in the dark, in his own apartment, minding his own business, would be one thing, but creeping around town (in his invisible stealthmobile) in the middle of the night, same destination, that not 'managing symptoms', it's predatory and I'm going to guess most people see it correctly that way.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

August traffic stop, 11:40 pm, who wants to guess with me what explanation BK might have given, if the officer who stopped BK asked him what he was going out at that hour?

My money is on: I'm going stargazing.

Two reasons why I think it: AT didn't invent that out of nowhere and it's the perfect cover for what also might look like a kill kit. Dark clothing, dark balaclava, flashlight, binoculars, those sorts of things. Clever, clever.

Shovel? Oh, that? It's for ... snow.

An answer for everything.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

FWIW (The DM) This article is paywalled but also turns up in the DM "archives". I found this bit interesting speaking about his D team:

https://archive.ph/2025.04.17-063057/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14618245/bryan-kohberger-trial-idaho-murders-mother-sabotage.html#selection-1397.0-1415.103

It goes on to say that it is BK's mother who is encouraging him to plead not guilty.

Are you kidding?!
This is probably why AT doesn't sit by him any longer at the hearings. Lol!!
Actually what you wrote is exactly what I expect from BK.

This post tells us many aspects of his personality.

●Their autistic client is a difficult one.
●They've stated he's recalcitrant (having an obstinately uncooperative attitude, troublemaker) toward authority.
●He is often uncooperative.
●He refuses to provide the information they require to defend him.
●He refuses to help them establish a reasonable alibi for where he was at the time of the murders.
●He doesn't even fully comprehend the gravity of the charges that have been filed.

Your post needs to be saved permanently.

 

[Megnut]

Educated guess: EC was both on and off the bed. Murdered on the bed. The bed took up most of the room. His heft and gravity may have rendered him top heavy, forcing the bed away from the wall enough so that he fell partially into that space. And the bed shifting might be what forced the door shut (if it opened inward. XK might have been killed behind the open door, then the bed shifted, the door shut, and XK's body could have fallen across the doorway, the door closed behind her.

Anybody got an interior photo showing which was the bedroom doors open?

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

FWIW (The DM) This article is paywalled but also turns up in the DM "archives". I found this bit interesting speaking about his D team:

https://archive.ph/2025.04.17-063057/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14618245/bryan-kohberger-trial-idaho-murders-mother-sabotage.html#selection-1397.0-1415.103

It goes on to say that it is BK's mother who is encouraging him to plead not guilty.

There is a ton of other stuff in that article. If his mother's wants him to plead not guilty what do the other members of his family feel??! It does sound like the mother is separated off from their feelings. WOWZERS!