4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

[Megnut]

What they could do as they've indicated as a possibility is to request a competency evaluation. But then they'd be screwed if it came back normal or very low on any spectrum or MUCH WORSE!

EXACTLY why they won't.

https://archive.ph/2025.04.17-063057/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14618245/bryan-kohberger-trial-idaho-murders-mother-sabotage.html#selection-1397.0-1415.103

From this article that was posted above, Howard Blum is predicting that sometime this summer, before the trial, BK's defense team will do the following -

They will appeal to the court that their uncooperative, uncompromising client is preventing them from doing what's in his best interest. His autism prohibits him from making reasonable decisions. Therefore, they will want to take the decision-making power out of his hands. Despite their client's protests, they will ask the court to allow a guilty plea – with the hope that in return the state will forgo the death penalty and accept a life sentence.

I think that Blum's speculation is far-fetched and I don't think that an attorney can go against the wishes of their client with regard to a plea. I think that the most they could do would be to ask to be taken off the case but at this stage in the process, I don't think the judge would allow that.

In any event, I don't think AT will go this route and intends to see this case through with the goal of avoiding a death sentence for BK, and possibly also with the goal of laying the groundwork for an appeal of the case.

Rbbm
All those qualities outlined in the Defense MILs about how he can't participate in his defense, how he's pedantic and refusing to grasp the severity of the charges -- all unpleasant traits, to be sure, but none of that is what incompetence is!

Here's a truth for AT, which maybe she just hasn't encountered before -- maybe BK refuses to grasp the severity of what he did because he is fully resting in entitlement for doing it. Justified. The very kind of personality disorders which IMO serial killers share. He's not sorry he did it. He's sorry lesser people don't understand went he did it.
He's educated, articulate, well-versed in criminal procedure (as evidenced by his paper), knows societal right from wrong (pre-planning, post-cleanup -- consciousness of guilt). He knows it's wrong. He just doesn't care.

In any event, IMO AT is pushing the envelope of competency without producing testing and an expert. Wants the advantage without the proof.

It's laughable to me that the best her experts can say is that, as a child, maybe BK should have been diagnosed with the clumsy/can't tie his shoelaces disorder, but when it came to his fine motor skills in adulthood, *poof*. He contorts his body to raise his arm. That's a flimsy report. Ouch.

BK is too mentally competent and too physically capable for AT to make inroads anywhere.

JMO

 

[NoeticSoul]

EXACTLY why they won't.


Rbbm
All those qualities outlined in the Defense MILs about how he can't participate in his defense, how he's pedantic and refusing to grasp the severity of the charges -- all unpleasant traits, to be sure, but none of that is what incompetence is!

Here's a truth for AT, which maybe she just hasn't encountered before -- maybe BK refuses to grasp the severity of what he did because he is fully resting in entitlement for doing it. Justified. The very kind of personality disorders which IMO serial killers share. He's not sorry he did it. He's sorry lesser people don't understand went he did it.
He's educated, articulate, well-versed in criminal procedure (as evidenced by his paper), knows societal right from wrong (pre-planning, post-cleanup -- consciousness of guilt). He knows it's wrong. He just doesn't care.

In any event, IMO AT is pushing the envelope of competency without producing testing and an expert. Wants the advantage without the proof.

It's laughable to me that the best her experts can say is that, as a child, maybe BK should have been diagnosed with the clumsy/can't tie his shoelaces disorder, but when it came to his fine motor skills in adulthood, *poof*. He contorts his body to raise his arm. That's a flimsy report. Ouch.

BK is too mentally competent and too physically capable for AT to make inroads anywhere.

JMO

ITA with everything you said. I think BK WANTS this trial to occur too and he'd like to speak/testify in his own defense for many sick reasons, one being to review the photos of what he did and possibly relish in the victims'' families reactions/horror. all jmo

 

[INfisherman]

ITA with everything you said. I think BK WANTS this trial to occur too and he'd like to speak/testify in his own defense for many sick reasons, one being to review the photos of what he did and possibly relish in the victims'' families reactions/horror. all jmo

Sure he does. I’m sure he gets some sort of pleasure controlling the narrative somewhat by forcing the families to sit around waiting for years & then going through the rigors of the actual trial, if it gets to that point, which I feel it probably will. Once that is over, he loses the majority of control over things, should he be found guilty.

MOO

 

[Boxer]

https://archive.ph/2025.04.17-063057/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14618245/bryan-kohberger-trial-idaho-murders-mother-sabotage.html#selection-1397.0-1415.103

From this article that was posted above, Howard Blum is predicting that sometime this summer, before the trial, BK's defense team will do the following -

They will appeal to the court that their uncooperative, uncompromising client is preventing them from doing what's in his best interest. His autism prohibits him from making reasonable decisions. Therefore, they will want to take the decision-making power out of his hands. Despite their client's protests, they will ask the court to allow a guilty plea – with the hope that in return the state will forgo the death penalty and accept a life sentence.

I think that Blum's speculation is far-fetched and I don't think that an attorney can go against the wishes of their client with regard to a plea. I think that the most they could do would be to ask to be taken off the case but at this stage in the process, I don't think the judge would allow that.

In any event, I don't think AT will go this route and intends to see this case through with the goal of avoiding a death sentence for BK, and possibly also with the goal of laying the groundwork for an appeal of the case.

Maybe her client wants the death penalty after a trial.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I agree that it is almost certain that one of the bloody mattresses removed was MM's, and the other, XK's. There could have been blood on a mattress in XK's room, and EC still could have been found on the floor, though there seem to be conflicting reports as to where he was found.. He could have been on the bed when the attack began, and may have fallen onto the floor in an effort to get out of bed and escape the attack, or perhaps in a last futile effort to get up and protect XK, after he had been mortally wounded. Maybe the loud thud heard was EC hitting the floor, and not XK. Perhaps we will learn more at trial. JMO

This is where I am. EC stabbed in bed and either fell to floor trying to get up, or trying to roll out of the way (the loud thump). I think XK was down, but not yet deceased at this point.

Is there anything proven as to the positioning of the beds in the rooms? Just curious.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Only AT could try to spin 'excessive time in the dark' as something medicinal when it's actually the crux of the case.

It would be like describing a peeping Tom as someone who just really likes windows.

Spending time in the dark, in his own apartment, minding his own business, would be one thing, but creeping around town (in his invisible stealthmobile) in the middle of the night, same destination, that not 'managing symptoms', it's predatory and I'm going to guess most people see it correctly that way.

JMO

I'm going to be odd person out on this. I do drive in the dark, though not past the same house. Less traffic, can't actually see stars in my city unless you drive to a non lighted area, there is something fun in driving windy roads in the dark, quieter than daytime, if you sit long enough, you can often see shooting stars.

However, I don't hang in populated neighborhoods, especially not the same one multiple times, am actually parked when stargazing, have pictures of my stargazing, never turn my phone off unless the battery is going to die, but will turn off data and wifi (to conserve the battery) and have thus far never had my car tracked near a murder scene containing a knife sheath, consistent with a knife used in the murders, that had any DNA belonging to me on it. So there is that.

 

[Megnut]

Maybe her client wants the death penalty after a trial.

Much of life to BK is likely a curiosity or an irritation, but what doesn't change IMO is his central narcissism. If he were standing on the tubing to your oxygen tank, he'd be annoyed you left it there.

Taking four lives? It was, for him, no different than a boxing match. A workout, a win. It's really unimaginable... he did it because he could. Because he wanted to. And IMO he's watching the trial unfold with the same detachment, bemused.

It's like we're not the same species.

JMO

 

[Sachi]

Oh, the irony.

Right before our eyes, BK has gone from a professional, business-formal, doctoral scholar, far and above murder, to an overgrown -- but still diminutive -- kindergartener who still can't tie his shoelaces or (my addition) cut his own sammich.

AT is well aware of human nature. People form impressions, often subconsciously. Of course jurors are charged differently, taxed with evaluating only the evidence, ridding themselves of non-evidentiary judgments, but these are hearings, ones AT argued to be public -- remember BK's supposed right to have people know....

Toward this end, for trial, she wanted to give (unsupported testimony as) evidence to help the jury evaluate nonevidence (namely, how BK appears at defense table)! While at the same time intentionally manipulating how BK appears, in order to further enfeeble him. Attempting to play both sides of the argument to her advantage. Let us help you make sense of what you see (of his weirdness) so you don't make subconscious, subjective judgments about his guilt but also please process your subconscious, subjective judgments about his appearance (as he shrinks into a harmless toddler in oversized Carter's) to render him innocent.

I actually have to hand it to AT. She's trying everything. There'll be no ineffective counsel here.

It's just an indefensible case.

Jmo

Shift focus, AT will frame this suspect as “ the victim”. Doing her job, I suppose. If a the regular Joe juror only knew the

EXACTLY why they won't.


Rbbm
All those qualities outlined in the Defense MILs about how he can't participate in his defense, how he's pedantic and refusing to grasp the severity of the charges -- all unpleasant traits, to be sure, but none of that is what incompetence is!

Here's a truth for AT, which maybe she just hasn't encountered before -- maybe BK refuses to grasp the severity of what he did because he is fully resting in entitlement for doing it. Justified. The very kind of personality disorders which IMO serial killers share. He's not sorry he did it. He's sorry lesser people don't understand went he did it.
He's educated, articulate, well-versed in criminal procedure (as evidenced by his paper), knows societal right from wrong (pre-planning, post-cleanup -- consciousness of guilt). He knows it's wrong. He just doesn't care.

In any event, IMO AT is pushing the envelope of competency without producing testing and an expert. Wants the advantage without the proof.

It's laughable to me that the best her experts can say is that, as a child, maybe BK should have been diagnosed with the clumsy/can't tie his shoelaces disorder, but when it came to his fine motor skills in adulthood, *poof*. He contorts his body to raise his arm. That's a flimsy report. Ouch.

BK is too mentally competent and too physically capable for AT to make inroads anywhere.

JMO

And, he was tying his running shoes for years. moo

 

[Arkay]

Maybe her client wants the death penalty after a trial.

Although it seems to go against the survival instinct, this is plausible, IMO.

We don’t know how he feels. He’s a closed book.

For all we know, the mounting tension he probably felt BEFORE murdering four people was the unbearable strain that he could no longer tolerate.

Whereas now, he’s quenched that fire, and he gets to relive the tingling pleasure of the murder over and over. In court, in the news, and in his own memories.

Maybe he felt that this was the culminating experience of his life, he has reached the mountaintop, and he’s ready for it to be done.

Maybe prison, a trial, a death sentence do not torment him as much as whatever he felt prior to the murders.

Complete speculation on my part, of course.

 

[Sachi]

Much of life to BK is likely a curiosity or an irritation, but what doesn't change IMO is his central narcissism. If he were standing on the tubing to your oxygen tank, he'd be annoyed you left it there.

Taking four lives? It was, for him, no different than a boxing match. A workout, a win. It's really unimaginable... he did it because he could. Because he wanted to. And IMO he's watching the trial unfold with the same detachment, bemused.

It's like we're not the same species.

JMO

agree

 

[Warwick7]

This is where I am. EC stabbed in bed and either fell to floor trying to get up, or trying to roll out of the way (the loud thump). I think XK was down, but not yet deceased at this point.

Is there anything proven as to the positioning of the beds in the rooms? Just curious.

Last night I was drawing diagrams out placing the bed in at different walls. I wondered if EC was pushed during the attack and landed between the bed and the wall. This could account for the blood oozing down that outside wall (that is if that is true). Does anyone know if it is true?

 

[Miss Poovy]

Good point, that I did not consider. I do think it is possible though, that at least one or more of his many drive-by's was not merely a dry run, but was perhaps also a dress rehearsal, trying to get his timing down, though I believe any of those would have been much later in the evening than 11:40, well after most people were in for the night, and off of the roads. JMO

I don’t think he had a dress rehearsal because he thought he may get stopped by the police for a traffic reason, inadvertently getting trace elements from the jumpsuit onto his car upholstery, or others seeing him.

 

[Miss Poovy]

EXACTLY why they won't.


Rbbm
All those qualities outlined in the Defense MILs about how he can't participate in his defense, how he's pedantic and refusing to grasp the severity of the charges -- all unpleasant traits, to be sure, but none of that is what incompetence is!

Here's a truth for AT, which maybe she just hasn't encountered before -- maybe BK refuses to grasp the severity of what he did because he is fully resting in entitlement for doing it. Justified. The very kind of personality disorders which IMO serial killers share. He's not sorry he did it. He's sorry lesser people don't understand went he did it.
He's educated, articulate, well-versed in criminal procedure (as evidenced by his paper), knows societal right from wrong (pre-planning, post-cleanup -- consciousness of guilt). He knows it's wrong. He just doesn't care.

In any event, IMO AT is pushing the envelope of competency without producing testing and an expert. Wants the advantage without the proof.

It's laughable to me that the best her experts can say is that, as a child, maybe BK should have been diagnosed with the clumsy/can't tie his shoelaces disorder, but when it came to his fine motor skills in adulthood, *poof*. He contorts his body to raise his arm. That's a flimsy report. Ouch.

BK is too mentally competent and too physically capable for AT to make inroads anywhere.

JMO

Or it may be his attitude towards women, is she able to have a successful case without BK’s input?

 

[Sachi]

Although it seems to go against the survival instinct, this is plausible, IMO.

We don’t know how he feels. He’s a closed book.

For all we know, the mounting tension he probably felt BEFORE murdering four people was the unbearable strain that he could no longer tolerate.

Whereas now, he’s quenched that fire, and he gets to relive the tingling pleasure of the murder over and over. In court, in the news, and in his own memories.

Maybe he felt that this was the culminating experience of his life, he has reached the mountaintop, and he’s ready for it to be done.

Maybe prison, a trial, a death sentence do not torment him as much as whatever he felt prior to the murders.

Complete speculation on my part, of course.

I have been thinking about you thought provoking post here.

"For all we know, the mounting tension he probably felt BEFORE murdering four people was the unbearable strain that he could no longer tolerate".

can you explain this a bit?

 

[Cool Cats]

Did anyone stop to think that when the defense tries hard to make their client look like he has various mental disorders, physical problems, or whatever, ETC..... that this is actually helpful to the jury? Helpful to show motive?

An upstanding smart PHD student teacher from a good family stabbing 4 people to death? No, not reasonable.

A disturbed person with all these mental and emotional and assorted problems cracking up and going on a rampage?

Yes, that makes more sense.

2 Cents

 

[wendy44]

https://archive.ph/2025.04.17-063057/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14618245/bryan-kohberger-trial-idaho-murders-mother-sabotage.html#selection-1397.0-1415.103

From this article that was posted above, Howard Blum is predicting that sometime this summer, before the trial, BK's defense team will do the following -

They will appeal to the court that their uncooperative, uncompromising client is preventing them from doing what's in his best interest. His autism prohibits him from making reasonable decisions. Therefore, they will want to take the decision-making power out of his hands. Despite their client's protests, they will ask the court to allow a guilty plea – with the hope that in return the state will forgo the death penalty and accept a life sentence.

I think that Blum's speculation is far-fetched and I don't think that an attorney can go against the wishes of their client with regard to a plea. I think that the most they could do would be to ask to be taken off the case but at this stage in the process, I don't think the judge would allow that.

In any event, I don't think AT will go this route and intends to see this case through with the goal of avoiding a death sentence for BK, and possibly also with the goal of laying the groundwork for an appeal of the case.

Agree. And I feel like Blum's description of what happened in court does not really match what I saw for myself.
JMO

 

[Arkay]

I have been thinking about you thought provoking post here.

"For all we know, the mounting tension he probably felt BEFORE murdering four people was the unbearable strain that he could no longer tolerate".

can you explain this a bit?

Hi @Sachi
Sure, but of course this is only my own speculation and conjecture.

It seems to me that in some cases where a murderer kills people that he (or she) doesn’t know, he (or she) has felt an overwhelming compulsion to do so. The tension builds until they feel they MUST do this, and when they do, they feel a sense of relief. The balloon bursts, in a way.

As differentiated from domestic violence, let’s say, where there is a history between the culprit and the victim. Also differentiated from a professional hitman, who murders for money and likely feels nothing other than wanting to get paid.

I’ve no clue about the inner workings of BK’s mind, but he does strike me as someone for whom, once the idea was implanted in his mind, simply felt he MUST do this to achieve some measure of “peace.”

Akin to school shooters, serial killers, rapists. They just feel they HAVE to proceed, to alleviate some evil urge that won’t let them have respite until it’s done.

I think he mentally rehashes the murder when he needs a mood lift. The opposite of most people.

No evidence at all, just what I feel after all we’ve learned about his characteristics.

 

[Sachi]

Hi @Sachi
Sure, but of course this is only my own speculation and conjecture.

It seems to me that in some cases where a murderer kills people that he (or she) doesn’t know, he (or she) has felt an overwhelming compulsion to do so. The tension builds until they feel they MUST do this, and when they do, they feel a sense of relief. The ballon bursts, in a way.

As differentiated from domestic violence, let’s say, where there is a history between the culprit and the victim. Also differentiated from a professional hitman, who murders for money and likely feels nothing other than wanting to get paid.

I’ve no clue about the inner workings of BK’s mind, but he does strike me as someone for whom, once the idea was implanted in his mind, simply felt he MUST do this to achieve some measure of “peace.”

Akin to school shooters, serial killers, rapists. They just feel they HAVE to proceed, to alleviate some evil urge that won’t let them have respite until it’s done.

I think he mentally rehashes the murder when he needs a mood lift. The opposite of most people.

No evidence at all, just what I feel after all we’ve learned about his characteristics.

thank you for this.

 

[MassGuy]

Hi @Sachi
Sure, but of course this is only my own speculation and conjecture.

It seems to me that in some cases where a murderer kills people that he (or she) doesn’t know, he (or she) has felt an overwhelming compulsion to do so. The tension builds until they feel they MUST do this, and when they do, they feel a sense of relief. The ballon bursts, in a way.

As differentiated from domestic violence, let’s say, where there is a history between the culprit and the victim. Also differentiated from a professional hitman, who murders for money and likely feels nothing other than wanting to get paid.

I’ve no clue about the inner workings of BK’s mind, but he does strike me as someone for whom, once the idea was implanted in his mind, simply felt he MUST do this to achieve some measure of “peace.”

Akin to school shooters, serial killers, rapists. They just feel they HAVE to proceed, to alleviate some evil urge that won’t let them have respite until it’s done.

I think he mentally rehashes the murder when he needs a mood lift. The opposite of most people.

No evidence at all, just what I feel after all we’ve learned about his characteristics.

If you read any book by an FBI profiler in regards to serial killers, they all talk about "precipitating stressors." These are traumatic life events (relationship troubles, legal trouble, financial trouble, etc), that result in the offender deciding to strike at a particular time. To me, it's clear that his school/work troubles are the most likely trigger here.

He of course doesn't meet the definition of a serial killer, but I have always been convinced he was behaving as one.

 

[Cool Cats]

Idaho murder trial judge to allow ‘bushy eyebrows’ testimony, but jury can’t hear about suspect’s autism unless he testifies​

Idaho murder trial judge to allow ‘bushy eyebrows’ testimony, but jury can’t hear about suspect’s autism unless he testifies

Bryan Kohberger’s legal team won’t be able to tell a jury in his upcoming death penalty trial about his autism diagnosis unless he takes the stand in his own defense, a judge ruled Friday.

www.yahoo.com

Kohberger’s lawyers had asked the judge to allow them to tell the jury during opening statements that he has autism spectrum disorder – a condition they say will explain what might be perceived as odd behavior as he sits at the defense table.

Judge Steven Hippler denied the motion Friday, saying unless Kohberger testifies, his demeanor is not relevant.

The judge said he’s never seen any odd behavior from Kohberger during the hearings he’s presided over in the last several months, noting Kohberger is diagnosed with the least severe form of ASD and “by all accounts is highly-functioning.”

Kohberger’s attorneys have repeatedly said it’s unlikely he’ll take the stand in his own defense because of his diagnosis.