4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

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New random thought. What if it was a standard stalking the house night, all items for a kill along for the ride and maybe a normal thing he carried with him, and he saw the strange car? Thinking KG to have moved out, and IF MM was his target, could the thought of her having someone over have triggered the actual act? We'll likely never know, but attacking when a strange car is around would be very strange indeed.
I think the State will offer a logical explanation and exhibit (the model of the house the Judge approved use of - yay!) of how BK committed the crimes at the time of trial. There are still many things we are not privy to yet.

Maybe one of the roommates had a Fitbit or an Apple Watch on that might provide some data? IDK

JMO
 
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BK had to have been coming from XK's room when DM saw him, was not coming from upstairs.

Also he was likely focused on getting out. If DM opened her door virtually simultaneous to his passing by, even if it took her TEO SECONDS to process that and close and lock her door, BK would have been moving fir the same TWO SECONDS. He would have needed a split second also, to process what he had seen, which he may have done. Or not.

IMO DM saw him long enough to believe he was heading for the exit. Not toward the staircases, headed toward the slider.

How much of that was accessible for memory, that's a different topic. Clarity of thought probably not ever, just shifting, lifting but not clearing partial foggy memories.

BK may have been out the door before she closed hers and he missed it altogether, but I suspect his brain caught up with his eyes a couple paces too late, and he beat his retreat even faster.

JMO
 
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"It's okay, I'm here to help."

I wish we knew the exact order and timing of sounds, sentences, etc.

But Murphy is one I hadn't thought of....

It could make sense...

BK murders MM possibly before he even realized she wasn't alone, then murders KG, and as he turns to leave, maybe he sees Murphy who he tries to lure closer, with evil intent. "It's okay, I'm here to help you." Like, "here, Kitty Kitty." Instead maybe Murphy retreats. At the same time BK hears DM down one floor. Suddenly she's a graver threat, he abandons Murphy, descends to the middle floor where he encounters XK...

JMO
I definitely think it is a blessing that Murphy was in Kaylee's room, and likely, NOT barking. Had he gone into MM's while BK was there, or had he started barking, I believe that he would have been butchered as well. I think the likelihood that he never did adds even more credence to the thought that BK spent very little time upstairs, killing MM and KG, and heading back downstairs. JMO
 
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Wait, according to the headline, BK has some 'twisted fans' ? What twisted fans? I wasn't aware of this, what is this suggestion?
The 'murder groupies', they've been around since the beginning of time. Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Menendez Brothers, Scott Peterson, Chris Watts...the list goes on and on. Gag.

JMO
 
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I wonder, if his plan had gone smoothly, if he was intending to get himself involved in the investigations or be a 'helper' somehow?

Wouldn't surprise me at all.

JMVHO.
 
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The 'murder groupies', they've been around since the beginning of time. Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Menendez Brothers, Scott Peterson, Chris Watts...the list goes on and on. Gag.

JMO

I've seen documentaries about people getting a cult following but in this case, I'm more shocked than usual. Wondering if some of the stuff isn't just generated by AI algorithms trying to sell products.
 
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The 'murder groupies', they've been around since the beginning of time. Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Menendez Brothers, Scott Peterson, Chris Watts...the list goes on and on. Gag.

JMO
SG, maybe not talking specifically or exclusively about the "murder groupies", but maybe also all the people who refuse to believe the evidence that he, and only he, murdered the four, refers to them as 'Probergers'.
 
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I think the State will offer a logical explanation and exhibit (the model of the house the Judge approved use of - yay!) of how BK committed the crimes at the time of trial. There are still many things we are not privy to yet.

Maybe one of the roommates had a Fitbit or an Apple Watch on that might provide some data? IDK

JMO
someone in a former thread thought of the fit bit and Apple Watch and went through the roommates available photos to see if any were wearing one but didnt see one on any wrists

. Doesn't mean they did have them though.
 
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Still thinking about the SG interview and the comment about only 10% of evidence is known to the public, there's 90% more evidence against him ... that seems like A LOT! What we know is quite damning already. I don't know what a Proberger will do, double down, close their eyes and put their fingers in their ears and say lalalalalalalal? BK is an extremely scary mass murderer and thank goodness they found him. MOO
 
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No-one who plans to kill also brings a sheath and unsheathes said knife in the middle of committing his crime. It's very hard to ascertain what Bryan's goal was but given his movements it is probable that he had a very specific victim in mind (most likely Maddie) and everything else that happened was the scene going completely out of his control. He most likely didn't expect Maddie and Kaylee to sleep in the same bed which ruined his goal of raping or killing Maddie (or Kaylee) quietly, then he probably didn't expect Xana to be awake at 4:00 AM and he most certainly didn't expect Ethan to be there.

Generally speaking I am of the thought that he just wanted to murder Maddie quietly, slip out of the house leaving no evidence and then have the police waste their time focusing on the other roommates. By the time the police have removed the suspects and started searching for something else, his trail would have gone cold. I am also in agreement with SG that Bryan rushed this as he was frustrated that the number of times he went there the roommates were occupied. While it does seem like a planned crime, it also seems like something he did in a spur of the moment given his somewhat aimless driving minutes before deciding to park behind the house.
Interesting thought, and it made me think/ask
How much light would of been in the rooms at the time of the crimes, what would he have seen/ remembered if not full light
 
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Wait, according to the headline, BK has some 'twisted fans' ? What twisted fans? I wasn't aware of this, what is this suggestion?

2 years ago.

An unnamed employee at the Latah County Jail, told The Messenger that more than two dozen letters have been sent to the quadruple murder suspect.

“He gets these letters a couple times a week,” the insider told the outlet, noting that other staff at the facility have found the letters extremely odd. “They’re usually handwritten with hearts and stars. Coloured envelopes.”

In the aftermath of the murders and Mr Kohberger’s arrest six weeks later, true crime fans have also flocked to online forums to fill an information gap left by authorities. Earlier this year, a disturbing Reddit grew to more than 500 members before it was banned from the platform for violating Reddit’s Moderator Code of Conduct.

In addition to spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories, some of those online communities featured overtly sexual comments, as well as collages of Mr Kohberger’s photos.
 
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2 years ago.

An unnamed employee at the Latah County Jail, told The Messenger that more than two dozen letters have been sent to the quadruple murder suspect.

“He gets these letters a couple times a week,” the insider told the outlet, noting that other staff at the facility have found the letters extremely odd. “They’re usually handwritten with hearts and stars. Coloured envelopes.”

In the aftermath of the murders and Mr Kohberger’s arrest six weeks later, true crime fans have also flocked to online forums to fill an information gap left by authorities. Earlier this year, a disturbing Reddit grew to more than 500 members before it was banned from the platform for violating Reddit’s Moderator Code of Conduct.

In addition to spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories, some of those online communities featured overtly sexual comments, as well as collages of Mr Kohberger’s photos.
🤮
 
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The 'murder groupies', they've been around since the beginning of time. Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Menendez Brothers, Scott Peterson, Chris Watts...the list goes on and on. Gag.

JMO
Very interesting read here...

“There are some people—mostly females, but also males—who are fascinated by corresponding or meeting with serial offenders. Here I am referring to individuals who correspond not to learn but to [develop a] relationship. Some women even fall in love with these men, believing them to be misunderstood. Such people, in my opinion, generally have low self-esteem. By interacting with serial killers, they fulfill their own need for attention.”

 
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Interesting thought, and it made me think/ask
How much light would of been in the rooms at the time of the crimes, what would he have seen/ remembered if not full light
Kaylee's room seems it would have been well lit with the 'good times' sign. Maddie's room doesn't particularly seem well lit, so it probably would have been dark.
I agree with a most of what you said, but I will interject that I had also assumed that Murphy was the dog barking on the neighbor's audio recording around 4:17, but poster @russoca pointed me to this post from @Allabouttrial, transcribing an interview where both Kaylee's mom and sister stated that Murphy was not a barker, that he had always been used to being in a house with several people, and that if he was afraid, he likely would have just hidden. That, of course, is not to say that he was not or did not bark, but if what they said is true, it seems to make it less likely. JMO

Well, obviously Kaylee's parents would know best what kind of dog Murphy is outside of Jack and Kaylee, but the prosecution in their affidavit did indeed confirm the dog was heard to be barking at the time of the murders from a nearby camera next to the residence. It could also be another dog, but I would find that to be a pretty big coincidence. And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Dylan's testimony say that she thought Kaylee was playing with her dog, implying that it was probably barking amid the noise? She might have just assumed it is because Kaylee or Maddie wouldn't raise noise otherwise, but given the situation she probably came to the conclusion it had something to do with the dog because she also heard the dog in the process.
But do we know he didn't try DM's door? If she was asleep before the noise, might he have tried it and found it locked?

I actually believe he thought that room was empty if he had been stalking the house.
He had 3 opportunities to try DM's door. On the way up the first time, on the way down the second time and on the way out outside the house the third time. You're right, we can't know whether he tried it the first, but we can easily speculate he didn't try it based on the circumstantial evidence. First, because he didn't try it the other two times he passed through the door when Dylan was actually awake. Second, he didn't try it with Xana's door, he also didn't even go there even though technically it's a closer victim than going upstairs. It's unlikely he thought the second floor was unoccupied. I mean, given what we know, he's stalked the house a bunch of time already. He also didn't try going to the first given that if he did, he would have been face to face with Xana much earlier. The only logical conclusion would be that he comes in, goes directly to the third floor to Maddie's room which he has been observing, finds that someone else is there and the crime goes awry and he has to raise a lot of noise to subdue Kaylee who has woken up from him killing Maddie, goes down, stumbles on Xana somewhere around the kitchen or the living room who has also heard the ruckus on the third floor, decides he has to silence her in order to escape, and then he finds Ethan while she runs back to her room trying to escape. Quickly attacks and kills him on the bed given he is the largest threat and then proceeds to finish off Xana before leaving. The question here is whether he sees Dylan and leaves for whatever reason or doesn't notice her due to his tunnel vision and trying to escape as quickly as possible at this point.
 
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Kaylee's room seems it would have been well lit with the 'good times' sign. Maddie's room doesn't particularly seem well lit, so it probably would have been dark.

Well, obviously Kaylee's parents would know best what kind of dog Murphy is outside of Jack and Kaylee, but the prosecution in their affidavit did indeed confirm the dog was heard to be barking at the time of the murders from a nearby camera next to the residence. It could also be another dog, but I would find that to be a pretty big coincidence. And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Dylan's testimony say that she thought Kaylee was playing with her dog, implying that it was probably barking amid the noise? She might have just assumed it is because Kaylee or Maddie wouldn't raise noise otherwise, but given the situation she probably came to the conclusion it had something to do with the dog because she also heard the dog in the process.

There is a photo of Maddie's room that shows fairy lights that are strung around her closet entrance, just a few feet from her bed. There is also another fairy light right near that. Many young adults and teens tend to leave their fairy lights on all night.

IMHO, when Dylan thought she heard Kaylee playing with the dog, she was referring to sounds that she interpreted as Murphy bounding around and Kaylee walking. Likely what she was hearing was the sounds of the attack right above her as BK walked around the side of the bed and Kaylee repeatedly thumping against the wall next to her as she she was attacked.
 
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LOL.
I used transfer because of what the Judge said in his order on Touch/Contact.
Touch/Contact/Trace vs Blood/urine/saliva/sperm.
JMO
<modsnip>

The way I interpreted what you wrote was that the evidence being characterized as “Transfer” DNA somehow benefited the defense.

IMO that’s VASTLY different than the context the judge used in his order on Touch/Contact.

<modsnip - personalizing>

JMO
 
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Blum's Book. Dr. Ramsland (supposed) Call to BK's Parents???

@MeadowMuffin
Thanks for tracking down the the answer. Brilliant.

- Dr. Ramsland & BK's parents?
Did a convo like Blum described actually occur?


- BK & his parents? Presumably call(s) which would have been recorded w. BK in jail?


Blum's writing style. A good fit w DailyMail imo.

I appreciate what you’re saying. It’s certainly minor and irrelevant what any of us think of his mugshot. So, of course I will, expound upon it.
We’ve all seen plenty of mugshots of people arrested on all sorts of offenses and, speaking for myself only, I’ve never seen anybody with that expression before.
His expression is fine, if he’s your child’s seventh grade math teacher greeting you at open house. But he’s not, and we know he’s not.
Who he is does not influence my impression of him. If he was my child’s seventh grade math teacher, I would think that was a nice picture.
What he is accused of and the mountain of evidence against him does influence my opinion though. So, instead of what a pleasant guy teaching my child, I think he looks shamelessly prideful of murdering four young people.

Just how I see it
I sorta think BK is able to compartmentalize the killings, irrational, murderous thoughts etc. & I think he can bring them forward for his pleasure or how smart he is, but he may also put him in the back of his mind for storage, if needed. It’s not that I don’t think he is evil, but it seems like he does that on occasion. If anything I could point out in the mugshot, his hair is looking pretty good.
 
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There has been a few documents talking about what a likelihood ratio is.

Statistical MIL
In grandjury testimony, Jade Miller testified as to the results oftesting done on Item Q1.1, the sheath strap and inner snap. The statistic reported by the lab is a likelihood ratio (LR). Miller testified that the LR compares the probability of the evidence, meaning the DNA profile obtained, and comparing two different hypotheses. GJ Transcript at 368 Id Miller reported the statistic for this comparison, but the State posed the following question to Miller Miller responded © Id From Miller's answer to this question, it is clear that the comparison to the world population is not an appropriate or scientific way to discuss the LR.

Judge Order
I. Defendant's MIL #14 re: Statistical Analysis Defendant moves in limine to exclude any misleading comments about the meaning ofa "likelihood ratio" for DNA purposes. Specifically, Defendant seeks to avoid attempts to define likelihood ratio through a comparison to the world population.® The State agrees that this type of comparison is inappropriate. The Court GRANTS Defendant's motion insofar as it applies to the question asked by the prosecutor at the grand jury proceedings, which both sides agree was not proper. However, the Court will not dictate how the question is to be asked at trial. If Defendant believes there is a similar misrepresentation as to the likelihood ratio at trial, he can object at that time.

JMO

The defense continues to try and create a false equivalency between an incomplete profile and a complete profile.

Out of that entire filing this was the only thing that managed to stick.

5 Quintillion or not the implications are clear for BK. Any reasonable juror will see that.

MOO
 
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Very interesting read here...

“There are some people—mostly females, but also males—who are fascinated by corresponding or meeting with serial offenders. Here I am referring to individuals who correspond not to learn but to [develop a] relationship. Some women even fall in love with these men, believing them to be misunderstood. Such people, in my opinion, generally have low self-esteem. By interacting with serial killers, they fulfill their own need for attention.”


I would worry about these people and imagine they're young and / or exceptionally vulnerable and maybe profoundly mentally ill. Do their letters get passed to the prisoners in question? It's really disturbing.

Firstly, I don't think serial killers and the like should be able to entertain themselves with receiving 'fan mail' all day long, secondly it's potentially really dangerous for the sender depending how things unfold. I suppose it's a prisoner's right to receive mail from a sender but perhaps these letters should be withheld. Also the senders should be traced and looked into maybe?

There's a youtuber who applied for copies of all the communication back and forth to recent convict Sarah Boone (suitcase murderer), so it's recorded and could also be public information. She called them her 'fans' from all around the world and even hoped they'd crowdfund her. Apologies for going off topic but these matters are truly shocking to me!

Does BK get to write back one wonders? Anyone intelligent and creative could groom all sorts of people to do all sorts of things, least of all sending money transfers and admissible gifts. Wow.
 
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