4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #106

[Gemmie]

I hope BK enjoys chilling with Chad Daybell.

Something tells me he wouldn't mind that. He's a big name so I can see him making friends with someone like him.

 

[Megnut]

I've been puzzling over 'there's someone there'.

Whether KG did say it, like DM reported. Or XK, like LE thought! Was it a statement? An observation? A warning? And to whom was it said?

KG to MM?
XK to EC?
KG to DM?
XK to DM?
KG to XK?

I know it's no different really than what Ted Bundy did, murdering some victims and not murdering others,, in similar small quarters, but DM is surely rattled to her bones with the realization that she heard her dear friends being murdered (regardless of how she interpreted what she'd heard as she heard it) and that she was within an actual arm's length of a murderer.... and no more than maybe 20-30 feet from the evil deeds, as they were happening but without knowing it.

If that's not lifelong fear, I don't know what is.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

I’d absolutely love to have a beer with JH & ask him what thoughts ran through his mind during certain points of pre-trial hearings.

From the January 23 hearing:

AT: "What does a sheath at a (crime) scene mean? That’s going to be the ultimate question."

JH’s face immediately afterwards:


JH: "If you’re killed by a knife, it probably means a lot."

~1:33:48 mark

 

[MassGuy]

I've been puzzling over 'there's someone there'.

Whether KG did say it, like DM reported. Or XK, like LE thought! Was it a statement? An observation? A warning? And to whom was it said?

KG to MM?
XK to EC?
KG to DM?
XK to DM?
KG to XK?

I know it's no different really than what Ted Bundy did, murdering some victims and not murdering others,, in similar small quarters, but DM is surely rattled to her bones with the realization that she heard her dear friends being murdered (regardless of how she interpreted what she'd heard as she heard it) and that she was within an actual arm's length of a murderer.... and no more than maybe 20-30 feet from the evil deeds, as they were happening but without knowing it.

If that's not lifelong fear, I don't know what is.

JMO

I wonder if Xana saw the sliding door open and was heading back to her room to tell Ethan. This could have coincided with BK coming down the stairs.

 

[Megnut]

I think there's another possibility in regards to the driving that night. He may have been waiting for

I wonder if Xana saw the sliding door open and was heading back to her room to tell Ethan. This could have coincided with BK coming down the stairs.

I don't want to discount DM's recollection, but I agree with you, it makes the most sense that it was XK (who had just passed through the kitchen ten minutes earlier, sure to notice an open slider or an unfamiliar duffle bag) and that she was saying it to EC, which would have alerted BK to both XK and whomever she was talking to.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

Awwww. It'd be almost like having a friend.

Except not.

jmo

But it would be so sweet overhearing their jail cell games.

"…..this little zombie went to the vegan Thai restaurant & this little zombie cried wee wee wee all the way to Pennsylvania."

MOO

 

[ilovewings]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1917759876979105853

Why would anybody think otherwise? of course the death penalty stands.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I’d absolutely love to have a beer with JH & ask him what thoughts ran through his mind during certain points of pre-trial hearings.

From the January 23 hearing:

AT: "What does a sheath at a (crime) scene mean? That’s going to be the ultimate question."

JH’s face immediately afterwards:
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JH: "If you’re killed by a knife, it probably means a lot."

~1:33:48 mark

He's got some good zingers, said in such a Judge-like voice.

 

[girlhasnoname]

This is just a theory as to position of the knife and how it could be used to hit a face.

Spoiler: This might be graphic to some

Standing at the side of the bed, with a direct single stab to the chest or back (depending on position of the victim). Butt of knife is at the thumb side of hand, blade down. Second person is sleeping on her stomach, wakes up, pushes up with arms and looks towards killer. Tip the thumb and butt towards the person with their face towards you and give it a hard shove. Break a nose, easily. Maybe more than one hit. Person retreats to the corner. Killer leans over to stab and gets kicked. Legs are slashed, hands are slashed, who knows what else is slashed and fatal stabs happen. I shudder to think she may not have been deceased when he left the room, but unable to speak/shout (maybe throat slashed) and unable to move and bled out.

Thanks for the spoiler warning. I'm certainly not advocating censorship on anyone posting the possible graphic possibilities, but I do skip over those.

Absolutely nothing personal to any of my fellow posters, it's just too triggering for me.

 

[Helechawagirl]

If she instinctively curved her body and covered her face, we then, at trial are going to hear about her hands and forearms. Maybe bruises, sprains, broken bones.....

I saw Steve Goncalves on a video yesterday. He said that Kaylee was punched in the face so hard that the coroner said that could have killed her. Said her nose was broken and she was punched more than once.

 

[Justice101]

Hey guys, random question:

How do you think BK actually got into the house?

It may not matter.. .but make sense of the map of his movements versus the victims.

Sliding door on 2nd floor?
Climbing up to 3rd floor balcony and using that sliding door?
A window?
A door?

I think most of us assume it was the 2nd floor sliding door since he came down the steps to the 2nd floor before killing 2 more before exiting. but do we actually know?

Your thoughts?

 

[SteveP]

Hey guys, random question:

How do you think BK actually got into the house?

It may not matter.. .but make sense of the map of his movements versus the victims.

Sliding door on 2nd floor?
Climbing up to 3rd floor balcony and using that sliding door?
A window?
A door?

I think most of us assume it was the 2nd floor sliding door since he came down the steps to the 2nd floor before killing 2 more before exiting. but do we actually know?

Your thoughts?

LE said there was no sign of forced entry, so there were no broken windows or evidence of pried doors, which seems to indicate that entry likely had to have been made through an unlocked door or a slider, which is notoriously easy to get into, even when latched. LE noted that one door was apparently still open when they arrived, and while they did not specify which door, most evidence we have heard seems to point to it being the second floor slider. We may not know the exact details until trial, if even then, but I think we will learn that BK parked behind or beside the house, entered that slider, went upstairs, killed Maddie and Kaylee, came back downstairs, killed Ethan and then Xana, and exited the same slider he came in through, leaving door open. There is nothing to suggest that he ever went to the first floor, so almost certainly never used the front door at all. JMO

ETA: We know that Xana had received a DD order just minutes before BK entered the house, and while we do not know, there has been some speculation that perhaps it was delivered to the second floor slider. If so, it is possible that Xana had picked up her bag, and either forgot to, or had just not yet gone back to lock the door. Perhaps she did go back to lock the slider, and that is when she saw it open and may have realized that someone was there, and it was her who said that, and not Kaylee.

 

[Justice101]

LE said there was no sign of forced entry, so there were no broken windows or evidence of pried doors, which seems to indicate that entry likely had to have been made through an unlocked door or a slider, which is notoriously easy to get into, even when latched. LE noted that one door was apparently still open when they arrived, and while they did not specify which door, most evidence we have heard seems to point to it being the second floor slider. We may not know the exact details until trial, if even then, but I think we will learn that BK parked behind or beside the house, entered that slider, went upstairs, killed Maddie and Kaylee, came back downstairs, killed Ethan and then Xana, and exited the same slider he came in through, leaving door open. There is nothing to suggest that he ever went to the first floor, so almost certainly never used the front door at all. JMO

ETA: We know that Xana had received a DD order just minutes before BK entered the house, and while we do not know, there has been some speculation that perhaps it was delivered to the second floor slider. If so, it is possible that Xana had picked up her bag, and either forgot to, or had just not yet gone back to lock the door. Perhaps she did go back to lock the slider, and that is when she saw it open and may have realized that someone was there, and it was her who said that, and not Kaylee.

Thank you

 

[DizzyB]

Is there anything left for Judge McDreamy to rule on?

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I always thought one of many jobs of a judge is marrying people.

He can marry all of us. All d' single ladies.

Every day and twice on Sunday.

JMO

Hippler is fine. He’s exactly what this case needed.
That said, just judging judges on judging and not dreamyness, Judge Newman from the Murdaugh trial is still my favorite judge. I don’t want to marry him, my husband probably wouldn’t like that, but I do plan on naming our next dog Judge Newman and calling him “Judge”.

“Brang in the jury!”


Edit: can’t spell

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I don't want to discount DM's recollection, but I agree with you, it makes the most sense that it was XK (who had just passed through the kitchen ten minutes earlier, sure to notice an open slider or an unfamiliar duffle bag) and that she was saying it to EC, which would have alerted BK to both XK and whomever she was talking to.

JMO

It makes the most sense to me that XK made the comment about someone being here.
She was the only one we know who, at some point was up and about in the living area, to get her food. Everybody else seemed to be in their bedrooms or somebody’s bedroom.
I was thinking she maybe actually saw him, but seeing an open sliding glass door might provoke that statement too like you said.

 

[Warwick7]

I wonder if Xana saw the sliding door open and was heading back to her room to tell Ethan. This could have coincided with BK coming down the stairs.

LE said there was no sign of forced entry, so there were no broken windows or evidence of pried doors, which seems to indicate that entry likely had to have been made through an unlocked door or a slider, which is notoriously easy to get into, even when latched. LE noted that one door was apparently still open when they arrived, and while they did not specify which door, most evidence we have heard seems to point to it being the second floor slider. We may not know the exact details until trial, if even then, but I think we will learn that BK parked behind or beside the house, entered that slider, went upstairs, killed Maddie and Kaylee, came back downstairs, killed Ethan and then Xana, and exited the same slider he came in through, leaving door open. There is nothing to suggest that he ever went to the first floor, so almost certainly never used the front door at all. JMO

ETA: We know that Xana had received a DD order just minutes before BK entered the house, and while we do not know, there has been some speculation that perhaps it was delivered to the second floor slider. If so, it is possible that Xana had picked up her bag, and either forgot to, or had just not yet gone back to lock the door. Perhaps she did go back to lock the slider, and that is when she saw it open and may have realized that someone was there, and it was her who said that, and not Kaylee.

Ok....but here's the problem I have. Let's say it went down the way both of you said.

Both of you say: "...she saw the sliding glass door open..."

I could see that happening. But, it is November. She's not going to leave it open. She is going to close it.

SG said in his latest interview the victim's doors and slider were open.

 

[Sachi]

So this is just thoughts. Could there have been a security system disarmed however, it beep when the entrance doors open? Possibly a smartphone alert and audible tone from the base? You know how it dings every time the door opens even when alarm is disabled.
This may have been why Xana was where she was, came to see or why DM said that KG said, someone is here. Jmo

 

[Warwick7]

It makes the most sense to me that XK made the comment about someone being here.
She was the only one we know who, at some point was up and about in the living area, to get her food. Everybody else seemed to be in their bedrooms or somebody’s bedroom.
I was thinking she maybe actually saw him, but seeing an open sliding glass door might provoke that statement too like you said.

Ok....but here's the problem I have. Let's say it went down the way both of you said.

Both of you say: "...she saw the sliding glass door open..."

I could see that happening. But, it is November. She's not going to leave it open. She is going to close it.

SG said in his latest interview the victim's doors and slider were open.

If she was just at the slider to retrieve her food and then 10-12 minutes later found it open, it would freak her out.

If she went to go shut it, but turned around cause she was startled by a noise on the upstairs steps, peeks around the corner, sees him then runs...this would make sense to me. Because the door is still open yet Xana ran to her room....

 

[technicallymissing]

Ok....but here's the problem I have. Let's say it went down the way both of you said.

Both of you say: "...she saw the sliding glass door open..."

I could see that happening. But, it is November. She's not going to leave it open. She is going to close it.

SG said in his latest interview the victim's doors and slider were open.

Who's to say she didn't see it open, close it, and then run into BK after? Nothing preventing him from just opening it again to leave.