4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #106

[Helechawagirl]

It makes the most sense to me that XK made the comment about someone being here.
She was the only one we know who, at some point was up and about in the living area, to get her food. Everybody else seemed to be in their bedrooms or somebody’s bedroom.
I was thinking she maybe actually saw him, but seeing an open sliding glass door might provoke that statement too like you said.

That does make sense and if she was sure she had closed the door and it was open again, that would make sense with the “There’s Someone here” statement.

 

[Helechawagirl]

Trials are to prove guilt and are simply not necessary when the defendant says he is guilty. Makes no sense to prove someone guilty who insists they are guilty. But what the parents could do is insist that Bryan tell them information. Where is the knife? Where are the dark clothes and plastic from car? How and why did he pick the victims? When did he decide on them? What was his original plan? Did he change his plan when he saw KG in bed with MM? Did he see DM? Why did he kill these 4 and so on.....When did he pick them. On and on. ......

I just think if he pleaded guilty that he needs to give a detailed explanation about the whole thing.

Steve Goncalves wants the death penalty; he won’t be happy with leap—in my opinion.

 

[MassGuy]

Remember those earlier reports from a PA bar or pub, warning other staff about his creepy behavior against women patrons? Was that ever more than just a colorful story. I realize it's not evidence of anything, just wondering if that could pop up in court.

No confirmation (although it rings true), and it's unlikely something like that would be allowed (prejudicial and not really relevant).

Interesting to us though.

 

[mickey2942]

Steve Goncalves wants the death penalty; he won’t be happy with leap—in my opinion.

Victims families are not usually able to direct actions of the court. If BK made a plea deal tomorrow, SG wouldn't be able to change that. Victims families can't demand the death penalty.

 

[katydid23]

Once they had his name and car, then there is also the generic witness description( height, build, eyebrows, white etc) to compare with his licence photo. Then maybe cross check Amazon warrants on purchasers of kbars. If they get the video from WSU for 2.40am and 5.25am 13th Nov, there is a white 2015 Elantra heading away from then towards his address, the type of car BK owns. This may be enough to get a warrant for Amazon and other kbar sellers to look up his name on purchase lists? If they discover the late March knife purchase, then maybe they now have PC for his phone records for 24 hours surrounding the murders? It would then go from there? Perhaps he then gets brought in for an interview? No alibi checks out. Jmo

Not sure but seems they may have still pinned him down eventually. Especially with help of FBI, profiling, interviewing, background checks. Jmo

I think all of the above would make LE 'believe' they found their guy----but I don't think it would have been enough for them to bring charges , let alone get a Guilty verdict.

I mean, even with his own DNA being left on the knife sheath underneath a dead body, people are claiming it's not enough.

 

[Cool Cats]

Steve Goncalves wants the death penalty; he won’t be happy with leap—in my opinion.

Leap?

 

[jepop]

I think all of the above would make LE 'believe' they found their guy----but I don't think it would have been enough for them to bring charges , let alone get a Guilty verdict.

I mean, even with his own DNA being left on the knife sheath underneath a dead body, people are claiming it's not enough.

I forgot about the x23 times within 100 metres of the house prior to the murders. And sudden cessession of phone activity after Nov 13th. If fbi/ investigators are able to get phone historical data warrant then this would be enough with all else for an arrest warrant imo. As to conviction, sans DNA, who knows. Jmo

And the two AT&T warrants were granted on 23rd Dec 2022 with no reference to the IGG results and they were granted prior to the Paternal DNA test results of 28th Dec. We don't know the details of the PC needed for those x2 phone warrants but I think we can guess that it includes the Pullman 2015 Elantra footage, the suspect matching witness generic description. I think the proof of knife purchase has come after the initial phone warrants though. Moo

We know that both a WA judge and PA judge found PC for residential search warrants without including the DNA paternal test results or IGG as a component of probable cause.

I find it interesting to speculate on how LE could have pinned him down to the point of arrest, but don't want to speculate on whether there would have been enough to convict sans DNA until we see the whole lot come out in trial. Moo

 

[Megnut]

22m video

GH reviews BK's Master's Questionnaire.

I'm beginning to think this crime was his Master's project and that he felt quite brilliant -- as if this is a graduate synthesis of known serial killers, wherein he drew on his studies (of individual serial killers) to draw one theme, some sort of comprehensive tome, culminating of course in his capstone presentation at 1122 King Road.

I think he felt superior, his fellow grad students doing sterile academic work while he was living it.

Moreover, he was creating curriculum. In the worst way possible. His crimes would be studied in the next generation. Something really grandious about that. And grotesque.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

I forgot about the x23 times within 100 metres of the house prior to the murders. And sudden cessession of phone activity after Nov 13th. If fbi/ investigators are able to get phone historical data warrant then this would be enough with all else for an arrest warrant imo. As to conviction, sans DNA, who knows. Jmo

And the two AT&T warrants were granted on 23rd Dec 2022 with no reference to the IGG results and they were granted prior to the Paternal DNA test results of 28th Dec. We don't know the details of the PC needed for those x2 phone warrants but I think we can guess that it includes the Pullman 2015 Elantra footage, the suspect matching witness generic description. I think the proof of knife purchase has come after the initial phone warrants though. Moo

We know that both a WA judge and PA judge found PC for residential search warrants without including the DNA paternal test results or IGG as a component of probable cause.

I find it interesting to speculate on how LE could have pinned him down to the point of arrest, but don't want to speculate on whether there would have been enough to convict sans DNA until we see the whole lot come out in trial. Moo

Maybe not a DP case if no DNA.

 

[Rizlabear56]

Victims families are not usually able to direct actions of the court. If BK made a plea deal tomorrow, SG wouldn't be able to change that. Victims families can't demand the death penalty.

Nor should they be able to IMHO.

 

[Megnut]

BK strikes me as someone who, when criticized for his rigidity, isn't going to reflect on that but will go fullbore on the defensive -- he's not wrong, all the students are wrong. He's not wrong, all the instructors are wrong. He's not wrong, the whole university is wrong. He's not wrong but all higher education is wrong. And that they can't see it means they are that stupid, all of them.

He's not wrong, crosswalks are.

Setting up a Q & A between a TA and some students would have been successful with probably any other TA than BK. Learning to accept criticism, handle it diplomatically, build rapport and understanding between students and teacher -- necessary skills to be an instructor. Like going before a disciplinary board. Best if you don't fly off the handle, respond passive aggressively, blow off constructive criticism (a.k.a. improvement plan)...

But BK don't cut out for dialogue, compromise, cooperation. He can tie his shoelaces, he just can't play well with others.

His unshakable superiority, unsupported by his own experience, accounts for this crime IMO. He thought he could do it better than all of the serial killers who had gone before him. Learned from their failures, expanded on their career success, wherein the career is murder.

I think he still thinks he did a bang up job.

Despite the facts.

It is said that, if you argue with a fool, spectators can't tell who is who.

BK, how are you a success (in your head)?

I murdered four people in ten minutes.

But you left your DNA behind.

But on a MARINE sheath.

What's that got to do with anything?

(It doesn't. BK just has answers for everything. Keep moving the goalposts. It's the only was to be right always.)

Someday somebody will ask him where he failed.

I think he'll reject the question.

He didn't fail. In his mind.

4 am. Everyone should have been in bed. He won't think it's his fault for his poor timing, he'll think it was their fault for their poor timing. If someone calls his butchering sloppy, he will say the room was dark. HIS knifework was excellent, lighting was sloppy.

More than anything, I think truly he wants to boast. Because he sees it 180° differently than those with eyes do.

JMO

 

[Miss Poovy]

BK strikes me as someone who, when criticized for his rigidity, isn't going to reflect on that but will go fullbore on the defensive -- he's not wrong, all the students are wrong. He's not wrong, all the instructors are wrong. He's not wrong, the whole university is wrong. He's not wrong but all higher education is wrong. And that they can't see it means they are that stupid, all of them.

He's not wrong, crosswalks are.

Setting up a Q & A between a TA and some students would have been successful with probably any other TA than BK. Learning to accept criticism, handle it diplomatically, build rapport and understanding between students and teacher -- necessary skills to be an instructor. Like going before a disciplinary board. Best if you don't fly off the handle, respond passive aggressively, blow off constructive criticism (a.k.a. improvement plan)...

But BK don't cut out for dialogue, compromise, cooperation. He can tie his shoelaces, he just can't play well with others.

His unshakable superiority, unsupported by his own experience, accounts for this crime IMO. He thought he could do it better than all of the serial killers who had gone before him. Learned from their failures, expanded on their career success, wherein the career is murder.

I think he still thinks he did a bang up job.

Despite the facts.

It is said that, if you argue with a fool, spectators can't tell who is who.

BK, how are you a success (in your head)?

I murdered four people in ten minutes.

But you left your DNA behind.

But on a MARINE sheath.

What's that got to do with anything?

(It doesn't. BK just has answers for everything. Keep moving the goalposts. It's the only was to be right always.)

Someday somebody will ask him where he failed.

I think he'll reject the question.

He didn't fail. In his mind.

4 am. Everyone should have been in bed. He won't think it's his fault for his poor timing, he'll think it was their fault for their poor timing. If someone calls his butchering sloppy, he will say the room was dark. HIS knifework was excellent, lighting was sloppy.

More than anything, I think truly he wants to boast. Because he sees it 180° differently than those with eyes do.

JMO

 

[Miss Poovy]

I’m curious what the IRB application stated about collecting information from ex-cons on Reddit. If this is true, it would be interesting on how he validated the information.

 

[Megnut]

I’m curious what the IRB application stated about collecting information from ex-cons on Reddit. If this is true, it would be interesting on how he validated the information.

Honesty question: is there any evidence thst he collected even a single response? Are convicted felons hanging out on reddit?

Or didn't BK do a 'theoretical' project, How I'd Do My Project (If I Actually Did It)? (Hello, OJ.)

I keep saying it. I think BK may have fast talked his way to a diploma, hiding behind pandemic latitude, effective gaslighting and instructor blindness -- a false notion that BK was going to get inside the minds of criminals, not show his.

I want to know what he actually turned in. And if he got to present his Master's project orally, on what basis????? What possible excuse worked? All his grandmas died? Dog at his homework? Visual smow? Thai food? Time crunch? Prison lockdown? Internet disconnectivity?

Did BK get a free pass from graduate school to PhD program, unearned and ill-advised?

Because now we know what he was doing with his free time in the spring of 2022. Setting up for murder.

Geez, the guy wrote up his preparedness checklist in the guise of an essay on crime scene investigation.

JMO

 

[Sundog]

I’m curious what the IRB application stated about collecting information from ex-cons on Reddit. If this is true, it would be interesting on how he validated the information.

Institutional Review Boards (IRBs) at most universities have developed guidelines for faculty research that involves internet and social media research, including possible means of validation, particularly participant validation. Below is one example of IRB guidelines at the University of Arizona for research undertaken on the internet and social media.

https://research.arizona.edu/sites/default/files/Social%20Media%20and%20Research%20v2022-05%20NEW.pdf

 

[realanastasia]

I'm trying to track down the thesis, which should've been published and accessible on some sort of digital repository of theses/dissertations, and 100% should contain a page that states that DeSales' IRB has reviewed/approved the research plan.

In the meantime, I found it interesting (and maybe relevant to his seemingly-contemptuous attitude towards peer-aged women) that BK appears to be the only male student who completed a MCJ at DeSales in 2022--I could be wrong, but according to the commencement program, all of the other folks in his cohort have names which are most commonly used by women. I was going to post a screenshot but for purposes of not identifying the full names of the other folks who graduated with BK, I will just list the first names of the 2022 MCJ recipients here:

Karlyna
Jenna
[BK]
Jessica
Brina
Cailee
Alyssa
Marina


The link is to the commencement program. https://heavy.com/wpcontent/uploads/2022/12/desalescommencementclassof2022.pdf

 

[MassGuy]

• Order on States Motion for 18-207 Examination and Extension of Deadline
• NewOrder RE Defendants Family Members in

Kohberger’s family can remain in the courtroom throughout the trial. Their testimony is narrow in scope, and they’ve already given documented interviews which will serve to prevent them from changing their testimony based on what they hear in court.

Confirmation that the May, 5 hearing had to do with the prosecution’s effort to perform their own psychological testing.

Their motion was granted, but they cannot perform personality testing on Kohberger. Representatives for the defense will not be allowed in the room.

 

[realanastasia]

From https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01...207+Examination+and+Extension+of+Deadline.pdf

BK apparently wanted to/had the inclination to deny that his ASD had much impact on his life:

Page 9: "Moreover, Dr. Orr specifically observed that, on symptom inventories, Defendant 'chose not to comment on any concerns about himself' and he showed "very little insight into his behavior and emotions. Exh. D7-E, p. 25 (Orr Phase 2 Rpt).' In other words, there was very little by way of self-reported symptoms."

Footnote on same page: "Similarly, Dr. Ryan also observed during her forensic psychiatric examination of Defendant that he did not "thrust forward" his symptoms in a manner suggesting malingering and, in fact, took "great pains to minimize and deny psychiatric symptomatology." Exh. D-13E, p. 54 (Dr. Ryan Phase 2 Rpt.)"

Ultimately, on p. 10, Judge Hippler writes, "In other words, Defendant cannot use personality disorder, or the asserted non-existence thereof, and the lack of testing for it, as a shield and a sword."

 

[jepop]

• Order on States Motion for 18-207 Examination and Extension of Deadline
• NewOrder RE Defendants Family Members in

Kohberger’s family can remain in the courtroom throughout the trial. Their testimony is narrow in scope, and they’ve already given documented interviews which will serve to prevent them from changing their testimony based on what they hear in court.

Confirmation that the May, 5 hearing had to do with the prosecution’s effort to perform their own psychological testing.

Their motion was granted, but they cannot perform personality testing on Kohberger. Representatives for the defense will not be allowed in the room.

IMO.Another two fair and impartial orders, supported by detailed reasoning and legal argument. I really like this judge.

 

[browneyes]

Victims families are not usually able to direct actions of the court. If BK made a plea deal tomorrow, SG wouldn't be able to change that. Victims families can't demand the death penalty.

I think most DA’s would check with the families before offering/accepting a plea.