4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #106

[arielilane]

@BrianEntin


Judge has ruled that Bryan Kohberger's family will be allowed in the courtroom during the trial, despite also being witnesses.


1:48 PM · May 7, 2025


@BrianEntin


The closed door Bryan Kohberger hearing on Monday had to do with the state asking for a mental evaluation on Kohberger. Defense did an evaluation, but the state has not yet.Judge agreed to allow it with some exclusions.Lawyers can't be present, but can watch on video feed.


1:55 PM · May 7, 2025


@BrianEntin


More on why the judge decided Bryan Kohberger's family will be allowed in the courtroom during the trial, even though they are witnesses:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920260382268014824

 

[wendy44]

At 6:14 what is this about defense saying there is allegedly some kind of clean up in the bathroom?
What?

This was mentioned in the Order on the Defendant's MIL RE: Vague and Undisclosed Expert Testimony (page 7).

Defendant disclosed expert opinions from Brent Turvey that more than one assailant was necessary to accomplish the crime in the time frame alleged. Specifically, he asserts that: 1) there is direct and indirect evidence that attempts were made by the suspect(s) to clean up the crime scene after the homicides, which would have taken far longer than the time interval alleged by the State, and; 2) there were multiple weapons used against Kaylee Goncalves, and Xana and Ethan appeared to have been attacked at the same time.

Defense was trying to exclude the state's rebuttal testimony to those expert opinions.
JMO

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/042425+Order+on+Defendants+Motion+in+Limine+RE+Vague+and+Undisclosed+Expert+Testimony.pdf

 

[wendy44]

Updated list on motions:

State's Motions
Demonstrative Evidence--GRANTED
AT&T TARs--GRANTED (qualified regarding very brief voir dire outside presence of jury)
404(b) Traffic Stop--GRANTED (with noted redactions)
Alibi--DENIED (premature at this time)
Improper Death Penalty Comments--DENIED as unnecessary
Alternative Perpetrator--RESERVED (proof by 14 May)
Self-Authentication--RESERVED
Immediate Family Members in Court--GRANTED (family of victims) DENIED (family of defendant)
Examination of Defendant--GRANTED in part, DENIED in part
Neuropsychological and Psychiatric--GRANTED in part, RESERVED in part
Text Messages--GRANTED in part, RESERVED in part
911 Call--GRANTED in part, DENIED in part, RESERVED in part

Defendant's Motions
Use of Terms Psychopath and Sociopath--GRANTED
Inflammatory Evidence--DENIED
Use of Term Murder--DENIED as unnecessary
Witness ID by Bushy Eyebrows--DENIED
Unnoticed 404(b) Evidence--DENIED
Amazon Click Activity--DENIED
Make and Model of Vehicle--DENIED
Statistical Analysis--DENIED
Vague and Undisclosed Expert Testimony--DENIED
Strike Death Penalty Based on ASD--DENIED
Strike Death Penalty and Adopt Other Necessary Procedures--DENIED
RN and Use of Touch/Contact DNA--GRANTED in part/DENIED in part
Conditions as Aggravator--GRANTED in part/DENIED in part
Inconclusive Data--DENIED as moot/GRANTED as applied to question asked before Grand Jury

Both State and Defense made motions regarding IGG Evidence, but for different reasons. Motions were GRANTED.

Very fair rulings from the judge--a couple of wins for the defense and I think a smart decision on the part of the prosecution to allow BK's family members in court before they testify rather than have them testify out of order.
JMO

 

[ab01]

Former Student Opens Up For First Time About Interaction with Bryan Kohberger

Former graduate student Holly speaks to Dateline about meeting Kohberger at a pool party. More this Friday on an all-new Dateline at 9/8c.

www.nbcnews.com

Extra creepy, she would have been a victim zero doubt in my mind. Out of all the cases I have followed, I'm amazed that with all the evidence. This case is somehow controversial?!?!, this guy was a creep and he's caught dead to rights. It amazes me the mental gymnastics ppl have to go through to give him the benefit of doubt

 

[MassGuy]

Extra creepy, she would have been a victim zero doubt in my mind. Out of all the cases I have followed, I'm amazed that with all the evidence. This case is somehow controversial?!?!, this guy was a creep and he's caught dead to rights. It amazes me the mental gymnastics ppl have to go through to give him the benefit of doubt

Lol, it's funny you say that. Several months ago when I was following Delphi, I started thinking about this one, knowing that things would start to ramp up. I figured I'd be incredibly bored, as I live to argue. Boy was I pleasantly surprised!

I do think we'll see a major change once trial starts, as this is going to be nothing like Delphi. There is DNA, cell phone data, computer data, phone data (content), surveillance footage, purchase history, etc, etc.

This will be a slam dunk, and it won't take us long to realize that.

 

[MassGuy]

This was mentioned in the Order on the Defendant's MIL RE: Vague and Undisclosed Expert Testimony (page 7).

Defendant disclosed expert opinions from Brent Turvey that more than one assailant was necessary to accomplish the crime in the time frame alleged. Specifically, he asserts that: 1) there is direct and indirect evidence that attempts were made by the suspect(s) to clean up the crime scene after the homicides, which would have taken far longer than the time interval alleged by the State, and; 2) there were multiple weapons used against Kaylee Goncalves, and Xana and Ethan appeared to have been attacked at the same time.

Defense was trying to exclude the state's rebuttal testimony to those expert opinions.
JMO

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/042425+Order+on+Defendants+Motion+in+Limine+RE+Vague+and+Undisclosed+Expert+Testimony.pdf

The multiple weapons argument is going to be an easy one to make, as you're likely to have stab wounds, slash wounds, and blunt force injuries. The thing is, every one of those injuries can be inflicted with a Ka-Bar knife. As far as the blunt force injuries go, we learned those strikes when I was in Marine boot camp. The butt end of the knife is designed for that.

As for the cleaning, I can't really come up with much that the defense "expert" can argue. Perhaps he'll claim that there is less blood than there should be or something (internal bleeding would explain this).

Anyone have any thoughts?

 

[ab01]

Lol, it's funny you say that. Several months ago when I was following Delphi, I started thinking about this one, knowing that things would start to ramp up. I figured I'd be incredibly bored, as I live to argue. Boy was I pleasantly surprised!

I do think we'll see a major change once trial starts, as this is going to be nothing like Delphi. There is DNA, cell phone data, computer data, phone data (content), surveillance footage, purchase history, etc, etc.

This will be a slam dunk, and it won't take us long to realize that.

you may as well argue with a wall in this case tbh. At least in the delphi case even though RA was dead to rights, evidence was somewhat circumstantial and drawn out due to the length of the investigation. at least to the lay person. In this case Bk might as well turned himself in. Its amazing what ppl can make themselves believe if they try hard enough!

 

[Chloegirl]

Former Student Opens Up For First Time About Interaction with Bryan Kohberger

Former graduate student Holly speaks to Dateline about meeting Kohberger at a pool party. More this Friday on an all-new Dateline at 9/8c.

www.nbcnews.com

Holy crap! Howard Blum was accurate about something. I did not think the pool party at The Grove actually happened or that BK got digits from hot girls. HB is pretty much a terrible author because he overdoes everything (and I am never sure how much embellishment I am reading with his work). He truly has a taste for the fantastical. Sometimes it feels like he is manufacturing information but perhaps he is just really stretching it. Seems like there was more to that pool party story after all. JMOO

 

[jepop]

The multiple weapons argument is going to be an easy one to make, as you're likely to have stab wounds, slash wounds, and blunt force injuries. The thing is, every one of those injuries can be inflicted with a Ka-Bar knife. As far as the blunt force injuries go, we learned those strikes when I was in Marine boot camp. The butt end of the knife is designed for that.

As for the cleaning, I can't really come up with much that the defense "expert" can argue. Perhaps he'll claim that there is less blood than there should be or something (internal bleeding would explain this).

Anyone have any thoughts?

Yeah I have some thoughts!

I think the state's forensic experts will easily prove that one weapon, and only one, was used. All the terrible wounds will be totally consistent with an eight (?) inch KBar knife.

Only one knife was used in these murders imo, and the defense will fail to raise reasonable doubt through contending that there were multiple knives in play. Jmo

 

[jepop]

I found this footnote (you know my obsession with a good footnote) on Judge Hippler's response linked above by Massy in the Order on States Motion for Examination and Deadline:

<snipped>

Footnote 7 on Page 5:

One of the Defendants forensic Psychiatrists, Dr. E.R., concluded in her expert report that the "Defendant" does not have a childhood history of behavior that is consistent with conduct disorder or antisocial personality disorder in adulthood, nor does he meet the criteria for antisocial personality disorder.

IMHO, BK did this because he wanted to do this.

I'm big on footnotes too, especially Hipplers! He consistently makes good use of footnotes. He wastes no space Imo.

 

[jepop]

Leap?

Lwop, likely an auto correct typo.

 

[NCWatcher]

I’m curious what the IRB application stated about collecting information from ex-cons on Reddit. If this is true, it would be interesting on how he validated the information.

But that's not really an IRB question, is it?

 

[Warwick7]

I’m curious what the IRB application stated about collecting information from ex-cons on Reddit. If this is true, it would be interesting on how he validated the information.

Yes, I’m well aware of IRB social media guidelines, that’s why I would like to see his application & approval.

But that's not really an IRB question, is it?

I had never heard of IRB application before so I went down the rabbit hole reading and reading.

M00, yes it does seem it is an IRB situation/question. However, it also seems to fall on whether or not he published his thesis, in otherwords his data.

If you are going to publish the data, most reputable journals and or web sites (like reddit) will want IRB approval. If it is only for internal use, and you aren't doing any intervention, one might get by with just satisfying their curiosity with questions/questionnaire.

So, did he produce his thesis/data?
That information I couldn't find.

 

[schooling]

This was mentioned in the Order on the Defendant's MIL RE: Vague and Undisclosed Expert Testimony (page 7).

Defendant disclosed expert opinions from Brent Turvey that more than one assailant was necessary to accomplish the crime in the time frame alleged. Specifically, he asserts that: 1) there is direct and indirect evidence that attempts were made by the suspect(s) to clean up the crime scene after the homicides, which would have taken far longer than the time interval alleged by the State, and; 2) there were multiple weapons used against Kaylee Goncalves, and Xana and Ethan appeared to have been attacked at the same time.

Defense was trying to exclude the state's rebuttal testimony to those expert opinions.
JMO

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/042425+Order+on+Defendants+Motion+in+Limine+RE+Vague+and+Undisclosed+Expert+Testimony.pdf

Anyone who’s had to sit with their 4 year old in ‘timeout’ for more than 5 minutes knows that it feels like 2 lifetimes.

In 10+ minutes with that large of a weapon, both DM and BF are lucky to be alive.

 

[MassGuy]

Meanwhile, phone data from Kohberger’s phone and in the possession of law enforcement include internet searches in the weeks before and after the killings on serial killer Ted Bundy and searches for with the words “forced,” “passed out,” “drugged,” and “sleeping.”

Video shows car resembling Bryan Kohberger’s around time of Idaho student murders

The video obtained by "Dateline" is among the evidence that investigators believe trace his movements around the time four University of Idaho students were killed.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[MassGuy]

Dateline trailer

https://www.today.com/video/nbc-s-dateline-obtains-new-footage-details-in-idaho-murders-case-239157317677

 

[Megnut]

Dateline trailer

https://www.today.com/video/nbc-s-dateline-obtains-new-footage-details-in-idaho-murders-case-239157317677

Guess who Bryan talked to just before his selfie....

 

[SteveP]

Meanwhile, phone data from Kohberger’s phone and in the possession of law enforcement include internet searches in the weeks before and after the killings on serial killer Ted Bundy and searches for with the words “forced,” “passed out,” “drugged,” and “sleeping.”

Video shows car resembling Bryan Kohberger’s around time of Idaho student murders

The video obtained by "Dateline" is among the evidence that investigators believe trace his movements around the time four University of Idaho students were killed.

www.nbcnews.com

Wow, a lot of new info just in the one brief piece! One thing that struck me was that I have always thought BK only wanted to kill. After hearing of those searches on his phone, I am now wondering if perhaps he did have other plans for Maddie, before killing her, and Kaylee's presence thwarted those plans, and may have provoked rage from BK, possibly contributing to what seems to be a more vicious attack of Kaylee.

ETA: The more I think about it, the less likely I am to believe that he would have done anything that knowingly could have left his DNA behind, so maybe that was just sick fantasy, and he got off on looking at sleeping or otherwise vulnerable women, knowing that he COULD have his way with them. JMO

 

[bugenjoyer]

Meanwhile, phone data from Kohberger’s phone and in the possession of law enforcement include internet searches in the weeks before and after the killings on serial killer Ted Bundy and searches for with the words “forced,” “passed out,” “drugged,” and “sleeping.”

Video shows car resembling Bryan Kohberger’s around time of Idaho student murders

The video obtained by "Dateline" is among the evidence that investigators believe trace his movements around the time four University of Idaho students were killed.

www.nbcnews.com

he becomes more and more putrid with every new detail

 

[MassGuy]

Wow, a lot of new info just in the one brief piece! One thing that struck me was that I have always thought BK only wanted to kill. After hearing of those searches on his phone, I am now wondering if perhaps he did have other plans for Maddie, before killing her, and Kaylee's presence thwarted those plans, and may have provoked rage from BK, possibly contributing to what seems to be a more vicious attack of Kaylee.

ETA: The more I think about it, the less likely I am to believe that he would have done anything that knowingly could have left his DNA behind, so maybe that was just sick fantasy, and he got off on looking at sleeping or otherwise vulnerable women, knowing that he COULD have his way with them. JMO

That is exactly what I think.

He intended to spend time with MM and things went to hell right away.