4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #106

[girlhasnoname]

No, it was 6:17am, Washington time, PST. It was 9:17am in Penn., EST. Still seems awfully early on his end though, to be so chatty. I would think that would have seemed unusual, but maybe not for him.

Good point, but if BK was a typical night owl, I wonder what his usual schedule was on the weekends as far as sleeping in? Questions, questions...

 

[girlhasnoname]

I bought a cat shirt on Amazon, maybe some dinner knives. Probably won't raise red flags.

I think you're safe CC:

 

[Odeto BJ]

The phone call I really want to hear about is the first call that he either told his parents about the murders, or they heard of them through news or internet. What about the first call after it became known that LE were looking for a car very similar to his? Did he quickly point out that he was glad that his was a 2015, since they were looking for a 2011-2013? Was he eager to talk to his parents about the murders, as news unfolded, or did they ask him about them? Did they avoid the subject? Did he steer talk away from them if they came up? Did he pretend not to be following them, or conversely, did he give them "too much" information, perhaps some that was not yet public? What was the point at which the first family member thought, omg, it may have been him? Did they share that with all of the other family members right away? Did anyone dare ask BK about any similarities or coincidences they may have become aware of?

Those are the phone calls I really want to hear about. JMO

What we know about that morning: total 3 phone calls, first 36 minutes and a later of 54 minutes and one more....Presumably shorter. He had been in the area of his apartment for less than 45 minutes prior....
First call at 6:17 PT; to a shared account number. Vid connect does not really fit with the selfie photo being transmitted later, why take and forward a still?
Q1: Shared PA account? Voice over IP?
Q2: Still photo...Birthday picture? For posterity?

Also interesting: BK's phone was back in the Moscow neighborhood at 9:12. If we add up 90 minutes of known phone time, 10 minutes travel time, 20 minutes to shower, change clothes and similar and at minimum, 10 minutes of redial interval (the third phone call) that leaves just about 45 minutes of alone time, between 6:17 and 9:00 AM
Q3: Was there evidence of anything like a news service search by BK, prior to 9:00 AM? Was he at that time looking for a news report such as would follow the reporting of the crime? Was he in any way, on the Web during the entire interval (5:40 through 9:00 AM)
Q4: What time did the last of the 3 phone calls end? If Dateline had that, I missed it, twice.

Presuming BK was the perpetrator: We can anticipate there would be some interaction with stuff in the car or the car itself during that interval, presumably he would at least want to take a good look around the car in daylight, there may even have been a trip to the dumpster. Maybe even some wiping down of obvious contact surfaces. Possibly a review/inventory of clothing and material.

All seems like a pretty busy Sunday morning; through to around 10:00 AM.
Whole thing does demonstrate the pattern of investigations and evidence gathering: As soon as one bit of information is established, corroborated and conveyed, it generates another tier of questions to be pursued/answered.

MOO where and as applicable.

 

[Sachi]

That is where I was thinking. Since nothing on the news or police channel, wondering if he was like "wow, bodies are not discovered yet, maybe they'll get the time of death wrong or at least with the + or - this phone call of mine might establish an alibi". Since he knew he was so "smart" to turn off his phone while the murders took place.

He might be book smart but that's about it.

Again, once the DNA identified him.. there was nowhere for him to hide from all the evidence he had left physically and electronically.

No DNA = No case.

Yeah , and tell his relative all about the beautiful constellations he had seen the night before -“ I watched the night sky unfettered and uninterrupted by my phone….

 

[Baby baby Jane]

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No, it was 6:17am, Washington time, PST. It was 9:17am in Penn., EST. Still seems awfully early on his end though, to be so chatty. I would think that would have seemed unusual, but maybe not for him.

My brain not working either !! Apologies to all.

So BK chatting w dad before church …

 

[Megnut]

BK might have been talking on the phone when he drive close to 1122 that morning, how he might have delighted in recounting a police presence and narrating what might have occurred...

Jmo

 

[mickey2942]

I bought a cat shirt on Amazon, maybe some dinner knives. Probably won't raise red flags.

We will want to check your internet searches. Then, we will talk about those dinner knives. And where is that cat shirt?

 

[Megnut]

Who SAVES social media photos of people they don't even know???????

He puts the WTF in Freaky.

JMO

 

[Chloegirl]

Good point, but if BK was a typical night owl, I wonder what his usual schedule was on the weekends as far as sleeping in? Questions, questions...

I believe part of his issues are not sleeping and very limited sleep escalating his problems. I also believe that he did not willingly seek treatment, diagnoses, or medication (or even fought it). Like with bipolar disorder, people do not like feeling medicated.

I do also have thoughts about heroin use in the developing brain at a young age, along with pronounced abuse of substances causing medical conditions or advancing them further. If you are fixated on women but assumably not pursuing relationships, there are probably some social/sexual dysfunction(s) or other tendencies that you are not happy that are assigned to you. Not only did he not fit in the world, but the world did not fit him. I think his rage stemmed from those issues. JMOO

 

[Arkay]

I bought a cat shirt on Amazon, maybe some dinner knives. Probably won't raise red flags.

Hhhmmm….but about doughnut orders, I notice you say nothing.

VERY suspicious!

 

[Dayday7]

The one thing from Dateline that had me a little confused was the fact that they were talking about how the one group saw him hiking up the hill at night. They seemed to make this sound like it was suspicious. Yes, it is weird but wouldn’t that actually play into the defense’s claims that he was a night owl and actually help them? If his “alibi” is that he was out star gazing the night of the murders, wouldn’t that interaction with the hikers help the defense to say “yes, see, people have witnessed him out at night hiking and possibly star gazing like he claims”. Just food for thought because I couldn’t figure out how that would help prosecutors at all.

 

[Megnut]

I feel for the victims' families, of course, most of all, but I also feel for BK's families.

Visual snow nothing, virtual snow job.

He was always going to be off, but I think they were starting to breathe with some relief, thinking he finally found his path. PhD-ward, living on his own, meeting people.

Hiking up an incline while everyone else is hiking down because it's getting dark -- I wonder how he sold that story to his parents, if he did. I like hiking, I enjoy that activity. I met some people who also enjoy that activity and we enjoyed that activity together, late into the night.

How many parties did he say he attended when the stretch was attending from his car, from a prime vantage point?

A psychopath trying hard to sound prosocial, capable of doing so over the phone to people who want it to be true

JMO

 

[Chloegirl]

The one thing from Dateline that had me a little confused was the fact that they were talking about how the one group saw him hiking up the hill at night. They seemed to make this sound like it was suspicious. Yes, it is weird but wouldn’t that actually play into the defense’s claims that he was a night owl and actually help them? If his “alibi” is that he was out star gazing the night of the murders, wouldn’t that interaction with the hikers help the defense to say “yes, see, people have witnessed him out at night hiking and possibly star gazing like he claims”. Just food for thought because I couldn’t figure out how that would help prosecutors at all.

Good point but I think the documentary was to document, not necessarily to support the prosecutions claims. Although some will suggest that was the whole point. Irregular behavior might just be being mentioned to say hey this is an interesting unusual dude.

Having hiked Kamiak Butte, there is quite a bit of wildlife out there and I would not want to go up at night because of bears, mountain lions, and 700+ foot elevation gain. Oh my! JMOO

 

[Chloegirl]

I believe part of his issues are not sleeping and very limited sleep escalating his problems. I also believe that he did not willingly seek treatment, diagnoses, or medication (or even fought it). Like with bipolar disorder, people do not like feeling medicated.

I do also have thoughts about heroin use in the developing brain at a young age, along with pronounced abuse of substances causing medical conditions or advancing them further. If you are fixated on women but assumably not pursuing relationships, there are probably some social/sexual dysfunction(s) or other tendencies that you are not happy that are assigned to you. Not only did he not fit in the world, but the world did not fit him. I think his rage stemmed from those issues. JMOO

I will reply to my own post again just to point out that maybe this is a lot of where the mistakes came from, lack of sleep!? JMOO

 

[Megnut]

The one thing from Dateline that had me a little confused was the fact that they were talking about how the one group saw him hiking up the hill at night. They seemed to make this sound like it was suspicious. Yes, it is weird but wouldn’t that actually play into the defense’s claims that he was a night owl and actually help them? If his “alibi” is that he was out star gazing the night of the murders, wouldn’t that interaction with the hikers help the defense to say “yes, see, people have witnessed him out at night hiking and possibly star gazing like he claims”. Just food for thought because I couldn’t figure out how that would help prosecutors at all.

I don't think it's particularly helpful, won't make it into the trial even, unless the State calls a hiker. What I find valuable is that the HIKERS found it odd. He acted like he knew them.

IMO I can't help but wonder if he didn't pre-learn of a hiking party that he intentionally crashed, interacting but just for a brief minute and not having to hike or fit in for an entire event, not unlike the pool party. I suspect BK has always had agendas that don't mesh with society's. He gets what he wants out of the situations he maneuvers himself into.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Good point but I think the documentary was to document, not necessarily to support the prosecutions claims. Although some will suggest that was the whole point. Irregular behavior might just be being mentioned to say hey this is an interesting unusual dude.

Having hiked Kamiak Butte, there is quite a bit of wildlife out there and I would not want to go up at night because of bears, mountain lions, oh my! JMOO

Totally agree on that. This wasn't just supposed to lay out the prosecution case against him, but paint the picture. It comes off as one-sided because his family isn't talking. Just a strange event, one that could certainly help the defense a bit.

I'm sure he wasn't in much danger though, as he certainly had his trusty Ka-Bar!

 

[SteveP]

The one thing from Dateline that had me a little confused was the fact that they were talking about how the one group saw him hiking up the hill at night. They seemed to make this sound like it was suspicious. Yes, it is weird but wouldn’t that actually play into the defense’s claims that he was a night owl and actually help them? If his “alibi” is that he was out star gazing the night of the murders, wouldn’t that interaction with the hikers help the defense to say “yes, see, people have witnessed him out at night hiking and possibly star gazing like he claims”. Just food for thought because I couldn’t figure out how that would help prosecutors at all.

I agree, and suggested that the defense might use anecdotes like that to suggest that it was normal for him to be out alone at night, stargazing. However, I would think they would have to have someone to testify that they saw him out hiking or walking at night, rather than just to suggest it, and for it to really matter, someone would need to testify that they saw him somewhere other than King Rd at the time of the murders, not just on some other time or night. Also, it would be interesting to know if that particular location had cell phone coverage. If it did, a comment about seeing him climbing that butte on some night would not be of much benefit to him. Finally, any stargazing alibi offered can be quickly shot down by pulling up the weather report for Nov 13, 2022. It was a cloudy, foggy, cold night. He saw no stars that morning, unless he bumped his head, rushing to get into his white Elantra, so that he could burn rubber getting away from his handiwork, before that barking dog alerted someone to call 911. JMO

 

[Megnut]

The defense will be hard pressed to prese t anything thst doesn't make BK look even more predatory.

JMO

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Good point but I think the documentary was to document, not necessarily to support the prosecutions claims. Although some will suggest that was the whole point. Irregular behavior might just be being mentioned to say hey this is an interesting unusual dude.

Having hiked Kamiak Butte, there is quite a bit of wildlife out there and I would not want to go up at night because of bears, mountain lions, and 700+ foot elevation gain. Oh my! JMOO

If he can hike this butte in the dark,( I'm thinking uneven ground and were trails well marked for nighttime) how can the defense say that he can't murder 4 young people in various stages of sleep and inebriation within the known time frame?

And who tied his hiking boots for him?

 

[Chloegirl]

Here is the crazy thing. I was sharing a lot of this information with a friend and their reaction was quite interesting. One thing that they pointed out that I have thought of previously but nobody ever mentions (controversial thought here), was how great it was that he had overcome some serious stuff. Losing weight, heroin (addiction in general), being a male vegan in 2022. An interesting point.

I will not say that I admire him, but I wish that he would have been able to overcome his compulsive interests that spiraled out of control. At one point, he probably had an interesting making of a Monk-like criminologist. We need people like that. ASD issues or not. I do not recall the name of the song or exact lyrics. Not the one by Britney, the other one talking about basically succumbing to being a monster. THAT was a choice.

Often people exchange addictions for new versions of the same issue. This overlooks that until you address the underlying cause you are stuck in destruction. JMOO