4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #106

[Moon1871]

Note to self, don't show Megnut my Google Photos

I tend to save lots of random people's social media posts and photos when I'm following a case, and very rarely remember to delete them

Granted though, I don't do it because I'm a deranged psycho killer hunting victims

Same here. Come to think of it, I actually took a screenshot of the infamous bathroom thumps up photo of BK. So that I could zoom in on his hand to check for marks (forensic detective wannabe? Yup that’s me).

Gonna remove that creepy pic from my phone right NOW.

 

[Diddian]

Could the dog have knocked something over? I mean, that is one very, very loud thud, it likely must have been something quite large to produce that. If it were something very large in a room and some very large object did fall over or topple, surely LE must have a pretty good idea of what caused the thud because they'd have seen something quite large out of place as they moved through. And maybe they did, and we're just not aware of that yet. But if LE saw nothing like that, then-- it's nothing large that toppled. So what could have made such a noise, then? Maybe him jumping onto something, some surface, from a distance? We don't know as of yet that he didn't jump from one floor to the other, correct? But I can only picture him doing that If he were already panicked and knew he had to get out of there. But the noise itself may well have been the thing that prompted the panic, so-- this wouldn't really make complete sense with the idea of him somehow producing the noise himself as he left in a panic. I've seen a photo supposedly into Kaylee's room and her bed is still there, so I'd assume perhaps at least some furnishings are still in there, and the dog was in there, I believe. And BK doesn't want loud noises. This is part of what drew him to the use of a knife to begin with, I'm sure. When all of these horrific events are unfolding, the victims are within his control, so I cannot picture him allowing anything to occur that would produce a noise so loud. That's why I'm wondering about the dog.

Are they still also considering the idea that this was Xana falling to the floor? I know that was being circulated earlier as the thieory for the thud, but I have to say, I tend to agree with those that say a person falling to the floor would not have produced a loud enough noise to be picked up by the deivce. But it's just guesswork. And just adding in on a quick edit here, was there an outdoor grill, like a gas grill, out back of that house, near the slider? The thud I hear sounds like something striking metal/aluminum, and hard. Now, again, it may not be that at all, but I can't help but wonder, too, about what made that thud. I've been wondering for a long time.

Perhaps the thud was BK slamming his car trunk shut before he drove out of there like a bat out of Hell.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Perhaps the thud was BK slamming his car trunk shut before he drove out of there like a bat out of Hell.

Yes! Metal on metal. But would the timing work?

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Are they still also considering the idea that this was Xana falling to the floor? I know that was being circulated earlier as the thieory for the thud, but I have to say, I tend to agree with those that say a person falling to the floor would not have produced a loud enough noise to be picked up by the deivce. But it's just guesswork.

Xana fought back, so perhaps the added force of BK actively throwing her to the floor or against a wall (sorry for the image) might have cause a loud enough thud?

IMOO

 

[katydid23]

The only way we hear any of the above about those phone call is if his family members testify truthfully about them.

I don't think his Dad will. Nor his Mom. IMO And if his sister were not involved in the calls, they won't be able to testify about them. imo

So I am really interested to see what happens. The prosecution can ask his parents what the calls were about but I don't think they are legally required to answer beyond saying 'I don't recall' or we just spoke about upcoming family Thanksgiving plans, etc. It was nothing, etc.

I had no idea how I crossed out my final paragraph---but now I remember because it's happened before

See the word 'sister' up above? I wanted to make that plural, so I put an 's' after sister but I put it in parenthesis---like this 'sister

see what happens if you don't put a space in there:

Sister if you type afterwards


In summary, if you put an s in parentheses , then everything you type afterwards will be crossed out

 

[katydid23]

Perhaps the thud was BK slamming his car trunk shut before he drove out of there like a bat out of Hell.

I think that's a possibility.

I also wonder about the dog barking. I think that might be a neighbourhood dog reacting to him hurrying out of the house towards his car.

 

[snooptroop88]

Xana fought back, so perhaps the added force of BK actively throwing her to the floor or against a wall (sorry for the image) might have cause a loud enough thud?

IMOO

Might well be, honestly I mean if the device detected whimpers, those are not very loud, maybe this device did indeed pick something like that up-- especially if the twisted freak threw the victim into the wall. To me, though, the thing is, it sounds almost like a bit like an object, something wood, something metal. When I heard it first, I pictured something metal involved, when I'm listening again, maybe wood, but something with like an edge/edges on it. Am watching some YouTube videos right now with LE approaching the home on Kings Road from the back with views of both sides of the house, and there is a large kettle-style charcoal grill out there, it's out on that patio pulled back several feet/yards outside the sliding door there. Deck chairs, tables, sofa, other miscellaneous items, something at the side that almost looks like a small and discarded heater/wood-burning type stove type thing. Returning to the kettle grill, a lot of folks leave these out year-round, it's not the best idea, but people sometimes will regardless. If that was there, BK might have crashed into it in the night as he fled because it's black, and in the dark, probably blends right in.. If not that, maybe one of the other objects out there. And just as I believe he didn't see Dylan (jmo), he might also not have seen something out on that back deck and he may really have piled right into it. And still wondering on the dog, too, am still wondering if the dog knocked something over. (?)

I wonder if we'll ever definitively know. I still cannot believe this case is actually going to trial.

BK's next "extra-special" selfie might be taken in front of a firing squad.. Seriously, can you imagine the jury's reaction when they hear about that "selfie"??

 

[Megnut]

I wish he'd hit the park car. Disabled his own.

Can you even imagine? Someone calls it in, he's there explaining why he's driving recklessly. Why he's driving at all, at 4 in the morning.

Sir, why is your car lined with plastic?

I'm going to need you to step out of the car.

I can't do that. You can't detain me. I googled it. I know my rights. I didn't do anything wrong. We don't have parked cars in PA where I'm from. And I didn't hit it. It was in the wrong place.

Yeah, well, this is Idaho, Dorothy, and I need you to step out of the car.

Would he have charmed his way out of that?

 

[Chloegirl]

Hey everyone, I've kind of lost interest in this case as any doubt about whodunnit is totally gone IMO ever since the post-murder amazon sheath searches came out in court documents.
However I am getting back on here just to say I'm really annoyed that the prosecution has clearly been ignoring the gag order to leak so much material to Dateline. Or was it the feds. Highly doubtful it would be the defense seeing how prejudicial the footage etc is. Either way, what was the point of a gag order all along just to come to this now. Very irritating IMO.

Well, I do hear you. But I perceive it a little differently. I think they have all but lifted the gag order 100% and are starting to release information. Saying they do not want things to be under gag and then having a secret hearing was little confusing. I think it has been the intention all along to eek it out right after Ui graduation, and just prior to this kicking into high gear in August. Now that the students that are their peers are graduated or gone, here we go! JMOO

 

[bugenjoyer]

Hey everyone, I've kind of lost interest in this case as any doubt about whodunnit is totally gone IMO ever since the post-murder amazon sheath searches came out in court documents.
However I am getting back on here just to say I'm really annoyed that the prosecution has clearly been ignoring the gag order to leak so much material to Dateline. Or was it the feds. Highly doubtful it would be the defense seeing how prejudicial the footage etc is. Either way, what was the point of a gag order all along just to come to this now. Very irritating IMO.

obviously you don't have to take an interest in every case but saying you've lost interest in this case because "any doubt about whodunnit is totally gone" feels kinda ick to me. like these are real people who have been murdered, this isn't a fun whodunnit murder mystery puzzle. jmo

 

[Miss Poovy]

Some family members have not publicly stated their feelings on the death penalty, but Xana's mother, at least, is not advocating for the death penalty, unless her feelings have changed since this report of June, 2023.

Father Steve Goncalves and mother Kristi Goncalves have both announced their support for the death penalty, according to reports, as has father Ben Mogen.

Cara Kernodle, the mother of Xana Kernodle, has stated she is against the death penalty while also saying she hopes the accused "spends the rest of his days in prison."

Some of the victims' families haven't publicly commented on their stance toward the death penalty for this case, however, reflecting a split among the parents.

Idaho murder victims' parents divided over death penalty for killer

Some of the families of the victims have said they support the death penalty, while others hold a stance against it or have not made their views clear.

www.newsweek.com

In one of the initial interviews after the incident, Ethan’s mother stated that she wanted to focus on Ethan’s life and IMO, she wanted her other children to be able to move forward with their education & life. IMO, this is based on a positive life philosophy, even though, one recognizes the tragedy of the deaths.

The reality is it is never over, whether BK gets LWOP or the DP. As mentioned earlier, it takes years for the DP to be carried out & it will always be in the media.

 

[KSwizzle]

This seems like a slam dunk case imo, if I was his lawyer I'd be pressuring him to take a plea deal that takes the death penalty off the table, but then again since I do believe this will be an open shut case maybe the state doesn't want to/won't give a plea

 

[minazoe]

He's really young, and he's going to go to death row..there is going to be a ton of mixed media and
political back and forth about this case. even if we have a ton of dirt on Bryan now, the prosecution still has to present the case and give Bryan due process. People want to know what happened and
they want to judge for themselves. It's the American way .

so for those of you who think he's already convicted, here is your chance to see his defense and find your certainty. The people of Idaho will see their legal system in action.

literally anything can happen at trial, so I for one will be watching. mOO

 

[Megnut]

4:17.

1. Garble, THUD, barking. Is the time on the neighbor's security vodeo/audio accurate?

2. DM started texting/calling at 4:19.

3. BK speeds away at 4:21.

Assuming the timestamps are all accurate, where was BK at 4:17?

What is garbled? Crying? Dialogue? Does it correspond to what DM heard?

Is it possible to get BK our of the house before 4:17?

Could all three sounds have come from outside the house? Particularly the thud and the barking.

But if the thud is his trunk, what did he do for nearly four more minutes?

Could BK have reentered the house? Leaving this time from the third floor, jumping from the balcony? (Only a one-floor distance)

Remember in the OK trial, the dog with the plaintive wail? Did Murphy stir? Did he whimper? Did he bark? If the barking on the audio was from someone else's dog, Murphy didn't even chime in.

So.... the thud. A body. A trunk. A landing.

What else might account for the sound?

 

[SteveP]

Is there an enhanced version of the audio from 1112 King Road, or is what we heard on Dateline actually that? There must be more to this audio than we have heard. Why would we only have those few seconds released, and not the audio of the entire time frame of the murders? Surely there were other sounds, perhaps clearer audio.

Just chiming in, but to me the thud sounded more like something wooden being hit, or something pushed against it, like someone stumbling against a door, or perhaps someone hitting a door or wall and collapsing onto the floor. It does not sound like metal, to me. As to the dog barking, at 4:17, that sounds much louder and much clearer than any other sounds that seemed to come from inside the house, so I believe that was a neighbor's dog, unless Murphy ran downstairs and went out through the slider, chasing BK, which seems less likely to me. JMO

 

[Kudzuu]

I think it was EC collapsing against the wall or floor. The camera was less than 50 ft away. I m o

 

[Swansee]

obviously you don't have to take an interest in every case but saying you've lost interest in this case because "any doubt about whodunnit is totally gone" feels kinda ick to me. like these are real people who have been murdered, this isn't a fun whodunnit murder mystery puzzle. jmo

I understand my phrasing came across that way, since we don't "know" each other. I'm not a true crime person. For some reason the Idaho 4 case grabbed my attention, and across hundreds of posts I've made on this forum about this case, I've been on the fence: Did BK really do it or not? It was very important to me to feel sure they had the right person and that there wasn't someone else out there, getting away with such a horrible crime.
There were many elements hinting to "yes", but the gag order meant a lot was under wraps. I wasted spent so much time reading every court document, micro-analyzing every open hearing, watching various POV's in YouTube videos, researching store opening times, kbar knife makes and models, touch DNA transfer, IGG, and posting so many questions here, trying to make up my mind.
The info about the Amazon sheath replacement that came out in court convinced me, and if that had come out earlier I would have wasted less time sleuthing.
I hope that makes my position clearer.
I was annoyed that the prosecution made things public via a leak rather than in court documents/statements. @Chloegirl thank you for explaining it well in your post, and I guess at this point, why not. Still I am concerned that it may come across as an attempt to taint the jury pool and hope it won't be grounds for any kind of appeal.

 

[seasideForest]

I think it was EC collapsing against the wall or floor. The camera was less than 50 ft away. I m o

I thought per recent information that EC was found in XK's bed with severely injured achilles' tendons, so I'm not sure how he'd get from a collapsed state on the floor back into bed? MOO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I was annoyed that the prosecution made things public via a leak rather than in court documents/statements.

Compare the clarity of the initial BK selfie (taken six hours after the murders, attached to an official court document by the prosecution, and shared multiple times here) to the pixelated selfies shown on the recent Dateline episode. The leaked selfies seem to me to be quick screen grabs by a perhaps unauthorized source, that were then enlarged by Dateline.

The leaked security cam footage showing the Elantra circling, circling like a great white shark could have come from the owner of said camera, not necessarily the prosecution, the Moscow police, the Idaho State Police or the FBI.

My point is that most if not all of what Dateline released on Friday, May 9 could be unofficial leaks (if not lucky guesses), and, hopefully, not the basis of future appeals by BK’s defense.

IMOO

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Compare the clarity of the initial BK selfie (taken six hours after the murders, attached to an official court document by the prosecution, and shared multiple times here) to the pixelated selfies shown on the recent Dateline episode. The leaked selfies seem to me to be quick screen grabs by a perhaps unauthorized source, that were then enlarged by Dateline.

The leaked security cam footage showing the Elantra circling, circling like a great white shark could have come from the owner of said camera, not necessarily the prosecution, the Moscow police, the Idaho State Police or the FBI.

My point is that most if not all of what Dateline released on Friday, May 9 could be unofficial leaks (if not lucky guesses), and, hopefully, not the basis of future appeals by BK’s defense.

IMOO

I really find it far fetched to think the prosecution team leaked info to Dateline or anyone for that matter.

The P was really angry when "potential jurors" were contacted by the D and asked questions via phone to determine if a change of venue was needed. I believe the P are still holding info close to the vest. D has discovery, so they have the exact same evidence the P has. The could be leaking in order to taint the jury pool.

OTOH SG has let it be known that the coroner gave info to him, that 2 of the Grand Jurors have communicated with him, as well as 1 FBI person from the Idaho office and also one other LE person, not sure if State or County. Then SG said he did some research, and was ready to contact a person who is important to the investigation, and the FBI warned him off from contacting this person.

So these leaks could be from any of those persons, or someone from the defense side.