4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #107

[Rolypolyoly]

Why are you talking about this guy from the Lori daybell trial on the Brian coberger thread? Is that guy involved in both trials?

Yes.

 

[DisplacedDivaofthe6C]

But what if they subpoena a clerk, say, who leaked something to the press? The journalist may be safe, but the leaker?

Another Murdaugh-type issue where a court clerk allegedly did something so bad a new trial may be in order? I seriously hope not.

 

[DisplacedDivaofthe6C]

I reckon they're gonna try blame that dude who was shot not long after the crime, can't remember his name.

How, I dunno but there's whoppers on the tiktok who wear tin foil tiaras who have helped fuel that utter fantasy

The Veteran that unfortunately had a breakdown and shortly took a couple of hostages in his apartment near BK's and was taken out by the local police/SWAT in Pullman? The case BK's dad was trying to talk to the cop about when BK was pulled over in Indiana? So sad, seriously.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

the reporter of East Idaho News, I think it was the wrong thing for that reporter to do.

If you mean that tweet, that wasn't a picture of Ballance, that's Brandon Boudreaux, the victim in that Vallow case.

 

[Jw192]

The Veteran that unfortunately had a breakdown and shortly took a couple of hostages in his apartment near BK's and was taken out by the local police/SWAT in Pullman? The case BK's dad was trying to talk to the cop about when BK was pulled over in Indiana? So sad, seriously.

The very one.

Some people know no boundaries in stoopness

 

[PinkParis2052]

If you mean that tweet, that wasn't a picture of Ballance, that's Brandon Boudreaux, the victim in that Vallow case.

oh okay. good to know.

 

[MassGuy]

"Defence took the step of pointing the finger at another suspect.

Who this suspect is
and what evidence the defense has that could tie them to the brutal murders
remains a mystery.

The judge ordered
that the filing remains under seal, keeping it cloaked in secrecy until trial.

Judge Hippler gave Kohberger's attorneys a deadline of May 23
to hand over
'whatever actual evidence you have that supports those allegations other than just allegations'.

He also ordered the defence
to 'provide for me how it is you believe that what you're offering is admissible' at trial.

The state will then have until June 6
to respond to the defence claims,
before the two sides battle it out in a hearing later that month.

The judge will then rule
whether or not the jury can hear about this alternate suspect at trial."

Idaho murders BOMBSHELL as main suspect names 'alternate' killer

The 11th-hour hearing comes after bombshell new details emerged, including Kohberger's chilling 🤬🤬🤬🤬 choices and disturbing online searches about Ted Bundy.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Fully expected, as was the fact that they apparently have very little to support their claims.

Lol, what a trash headline. I'd expect nothing less from them though.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Another Murdaugh-type issue where a court clerk allegedly did something so bad a new trial may be in order? I seriously hope not.

No, I meant a lower-level/support worker! Why can’t you read my mind, @DisplacedDivaofthe6C.

Please, oh please, don’t give us a crooked court clerk, Idaho. Judge Hippler, we’re counting on you.

 

[gremlin444]

So who posted his face?

The man in Nate Eaton's tweet is Brandon Bodreaux, Lori's niece's ex-husband.

Other news media, however, have posted courtroom sketches of Ballance--which seems nearly as bad.

 

[gremlin444]

Yes.

And the question is since that is a recent concern, will they need to turn off cameras while he is testifying in this trial.

 

[Chimera]

BBM

Look, I agree with everything you say, but I feel I need to speak out for autistic people.

My own experience is that most autistics can discern right from wrong and in fact are often sticklers for rules, with a heightened need for justice.

A problem arises when an autistic person’s rules don’t match society’s.

One theory of autism is that autistics don’t naturally, automatically sync with the behaviors of others around them, and they don’t just accept what others say. Things need to be “logical.”

This often makes them non-conformists. And black and white thinkers.

An autistic person might not recognize social hierarchies, treating the CEO and janitor of a company equally, for example.

A autistic person might keep unconventional hours, perhaps switching days and nights because they don’t naturally sync with others’ signs of wakefulness or tiredness.

An autistic person might devote his life to righting social wrongs because he decided that an oppressed group is being treated unfairly.

In small, traditional communities, this lack of natural syncing can be dangerous and is often simply not tolerated. Everyone has to sync, even if by force. Humans must depend on one another to survive in a world filled with threats of starvation, large predators, and nearby warring factions. Yet even traditional communities often provide a role for the occasional “weird” person. Think of a tribal shaman, for example.

In large modern societies such as ours, autistics are given much more free rein. (Until they suddenly fear having to register for a national data base, that is.)

I think BK is autistic and I have always thought BK is autistic. I remember thinking—oh great, another autistic person goes off the deep end, making everyone look bad.

The Sandy Hook Shooter, the Parkland Shooter, Elliot Rodgers, now BK.

Of course, these people aren’t just autistic. They also have serious personality disorders, IMO. Like it or not, autistic people are susceptible to personality disorders which can occur in response to deep childhood trauma. Autistic people are like orchids, not dandelions, more vulnerable to less than ideal conditions.

The problem, in my mind, is that individuals who don’t automatically sync with others can be dangerous if they are repeatedly rejected and hurt by others, before the autistic person ever rejected or hurt anyone.

A autistic person may eventually lash out if they have not independently developed or consciously buy into a pro-social code of ethics based, often, on reasoning. (Emotion can definitely play a role, too, due to the acute sensitivity many autistic people experience.)

Anyway, it’s like everything is a decision for many autistics.

Because autistics are independent thinkers, I’m prepared for most if not all of the autistic people here to disagree with me.

But to each of you reading this, please don’t think I advocate giving BK a pass because he’s autistic.

It isn’t BK’s fault that he is autistic (or may have a personality disorder), but he made the decision to not seek help. He made the decision to brutally murder four young adults. He did a VERY BAD thing and he needs to pay, IMO.

IMOO, of course.

Rbm.
Thanks for the thoughtful response.

This is how I'm looking at it :

Yes I understand what you're saying and I'm not speaking out against anyone with autism.
This is primarily concerning Brian Kohberger and not killers like Elliot Rodgers who by the way wasn't diagnosed with autism but (from the link below) what's termed as 'malignant narcissism', and imo a possible incel as well ?

The Isla Vista Shooter: This is Not the Autism Spectrum

The mass murderer displayed malignant narcissism, envy, and entitlement that are not typical with his reported autism spectrum diagnosis. Misunderstanding mental illness introduces potential for misplaced fear.

www.theatlantic.com

Making the case for the inappropriateness of an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis in Elliott Rodger’s case is critically important to address the public misconception that autistic individuals have an unusually high potential for violence.

By higher functioning Brian may still understand very well what he has done was wrong; however I'm leery of his defense using this at this late date, to promote a sense of sympathy for him.
If BK wasn't diagnosed with autism before it's possible he is not autistic.

Regardless, he was thought competent enough to be placed in a position of some authority over other students , according to the Dateline show, and yes it was discussed before that episode.
The only affliction BK may be suffering from is a sense of grandiose entitlement that could be on par with Elliot Rodgers.

Re. the red bolded : I wouldn't take BK's nighttime excursions as a sign of having different awake/tired moments from most other people. He had run into a group of people per the Dateline one of whom recognized him whilst they were returning from a hike at dusk-- but BK was just walking up the hill and apparently just beginning his hike !

While it could be a manifestation of an autism diagnosis, it could also be that he liked night time better and it was easier to 'observe' (stalk) people like the young students he eventually murdered.

Curious if the defense will provide proof if she thinks BK has autism ?
Was he ever diagnosed before the killings ?
Hope that makes sense.
Omo.

 

[Chimera]

I guess what peeves me the most was AT's announcement BK had been dx with Aspergers and the "Glow-down" BK had underwent when AT announced said Aspergers, taking him from a young man in a suit that had a very different presence about him to what we've seen in the last two hearings now, following the principle, basically, of a turning a wh0re into a Madonna.

I get she is trying to throw everything in, including the kitchen sink, to keep her client alive, even if convicted to see him get LWOP vs death. However, this dx into 2.5-ish years of this case against BK just recently being raised by AT, IMO completely exploits the members of neurodivergent and disabled communities, who are always fighting to seek normalcy and acceptance of achievements as carte blanche, just like any other person, be it education, science, medicine, music, art, etc. What gives AT the right to all of a sudden thrust BK's questionable and odd essences and explain it away with Aspergers? Just not cool.

As PunishThenForgive said, "The problem isn’t autism, though. Obviously, almost all autistic people are not killers," Absolutely 110% agree.

Bolding mine.
Yes, you've explained it very well, I think.

Has AT provided any medical records of Brian's diagnosis ?
If not, then her attempt to prompt sympathy for him or even get him a lighter sentence is nearly as repulsive as his crimes.
It's as if she's saying BK's crimes are at least partially mitigated by his autism diagnosis.
That's not how it works, or at least it shouldn't be.

Re. the red bolded : Absolutely. It's a travesty for people with the genuine dx, which at this time there's no proof that Brian has this.
Eta : He could have the dx, but I'm skeptical of AT's motives.
Imo.

 

[BUF]

Just saw that AT is pushing this SODDI thing.

Is this just another one of her attempts to postpone his trial?

Sounds like it to me.

 

[MassGuy]

Just saw that AT is pushing this SODDI thing.

Is this just another one of her attempts to postpone his trial?

Sounds like it to me.

No, today was simply the deadline to file that. It shouldn't cause any delay.

 

[AcerPacer]

I guess I missed something.

BF saw BK naked from her bedroom window?

You know that gif where a lady is drinking from a teacup and suddenly SPLURTS the drink projectile through her mouth and nose...

When you are laughing so hard at something that really shouldn't be funny that it makes you laugh more...
And a few seconds after you've composed yourself, you literally combust with giggles again...
Oh @Tealgrove ... If only you and the fabulous Judge Hip could partner up...throw @Megnut in there with her BryCombinations and I'd pay for a front row seat!

 

[otto]

It's pages 34-45 in this filing:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-States+Reply+to+Defendants+Objection+to+MIL+RE+Self+Authentication+of+Records.pdf

Thank you! That's very strange. Do we know whether he concocted that for a course, for a job, or because he thinks he knows what to do?

His thinking appears to be anything but linear sequential, and I suspect that linear sequential is a strict requirement when processing a crime scene.

 

[gremlin444]

Thank you! That's very strange. Do we know whether he concocted that for a course, for a job, or because he thinks he knows what to do?

His thinking appears to be anything but linear sequential, and I suspect that linear sequential is a strict requirement when processing a crime scene.

Exclusive: DeSales University addresses crime essay Bryan Kohberger wrote

DeSales University responded to a paper Bryan Kohberger wrote that prosecutors intend to introduce as evidence during his trial.

www.newsweek.com

It's an assignment from his Forensic Investigation class at Desales University in May 2020 (the header says "final," and given the May date it may have been part of a final exam or project)

 

[otto]

Exclusive: DeSales University addresses crime essay Bryan Kohberger wrote

DeSales University responded to a paper Bryan Kohberger wrote that prosecutors intend to introduce as evidence during his trial.

www.newsweek.com

It's an assignment from his Forensic Investigation class at Desales University in May 2020 (the header says "final," and given the May date it may have been part of a final exam or project)

Thank you. I had to stop reading because it's sounds so convoluted and disorganized. It looks like a first draft that needs major editing - opinion.

 

[INfisherman]

Who will the SODDI be?

I can't wait.

BK look-alike with his knife and kbar, who doesn't live anywhere. Or exist.

I can't think of a single real person she can name. LE investigated all promising leads and came up empty...

Hello, sweatered ninjas.

JMO

Maybe be this guy…?


MOO

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1923040869046730818