4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #107

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1923053664182075445

 

[pittsburghgirl]

the number of times that the Elantra circled the house was in the PCA, this was just the first time that the public had seen video of that.

It's one thing to read it. It's another to see it.

 

[INfisherman]

Just saw that AT is pushing this SODDI thing.

Is this just another one of her attempts to postpone his trial?

Sounds like it to me.

They should call this the Andy Baldwin maneuver.

JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

The PA 2nd Search Warrant return listed 'a knife' (no name brand there) first, I found it so I'm linking it...curious that they did specifically name the other knife, Smith Wesson Pocket Knife. Hmmmm.

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The following items were seized from inside the home:

• Knife
• Glock 22. .40 Caliber
• Smith Wesson pocket knife
• Three Block .40 Caliber magazines that were empty
• Tayor cutlery knife with leather sheath
• Black face mask
• Black gloves
• Black hat
• Black mask
• AT&T bill for Bryan Kohberger
• Book with underlining on page 118
• Prescriptions
• Cell phone
• Laptop
• Multiple dark-colored pants
• Columbia navy fleece
• New Balance shoes
• 2 pairs of dark-colored boots
• Criminal Psychology book
• Note to Dad from Bryan

https://www.pahomepage.com/news/cri...rrants-for-bryan-kohbergers-pa-home-released/

I saw this list and it made me think. New balance shoes. Does anyone see a diamond pattern here?

https://www.goat.com/sneakers/860v2-black-grey-ml860xc?

 

[Megnut]

I saw this list and it made me think. New balance shoes. Does anyone see a diamond pattern here?

https://www.goat.com/sneakers/860v2-black-grey-ml860xc?

View attachment 586336

Get thee shoelaces away!

 

[snooptroop88]

Just saw that AT is pushing this SODDI thing.

Is this just another one of her attempts to postpone his trial?

Sounds like it to me.

YES. It's going to be the alibi all over again. Get ready for a big ole heaping plate of nothing.
Dig in! Just know these are some of the world's most expensive servings of... absolutely nothing.

Yeah if DM is insistent this was around 4:00 a.m., I'm thinking Kaylee saw the doordash driver from her window because some theorize he came to the back slider. And then she went downstairs and she was the one who let them in, and maybe texted xana to go get her food in the kitchen and then Kaylee went back upstairs. Maybe that's when she knocked on Maddie's door and went into the bed with her. However didn't they say she walked up the stairs and then ran down the stairs? If she was getting doordash, it would be the opposite.

I'm kind of freaked out that BK's entry pretty much coincides with this DoorDash delivery to begin with. Like murderer BK wants to be tripping over Jack-in-the-Box on his way in?? I would think he'd leave if he saw that DD driver cruising around and/or coming to the door. DD is letting BK know, someone in that house is clearly still up. There's activity there involving outsiders. Was BK already on his way in through the back slider, or positioned near it, too late to turn back? Did he see the driver leave the order and then he headed in regardless, in the spirit of the same perp that forgot the sheath? I am still wondering if BK himself didn't place that order to facilitate entry into the home or to maybe get an assessment of who (if anyone) in the home was still awake (?). Has this possibility been ruled out yet?

But that aside, if it really were Kaylee referring to the DD driver, does this provide enough time for her and Maddie to be in a deep enough sleep by the time he bursts in? Supposedly, he went to the third floor first. I mean, if KG (and possibly MM?) just went to bed right before BK's arrival, they're probably still in a light sleep, I would think, and it would be almost inevitable with two victims there that there'd be screaming. I guess it's possible he still could have prevented screams, but I find it doubtful, jmo.

 

[LinasK]

I just received a description of the alternative suspect, as provided by BK.

Here it is:
“Uh, she is a girl with bushy eyebrows who doesn’t look anything like me. She has a white car that doesn’t look like my car. She has a big knife without a sheath. She isn’t me! She is mean. I am mild.”

The SODDI is a female??? What's her motive? Must be a big girl...

 

[INfisherman]

The SODDI is a female??? What's her motive? Must be a big girl...

Slender but athletic - probably a vegan too.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Slender but athletic - probably a vegan too.

JMO

With guybrows.

 

[INfisherman]

With guybrows.

Guybrybrows

 

[snooptroop88]

Slender but athletic - probably a vegan too.

JMO

Not a vegan, she's wanted in association with theft of Jack-in-the-Box orders from porches. She's a porch pirate.

A mean and athletically built porch pirate. That drives away fast in her white car.

 

[windrower]

"Defence took the step of pointing the finger at another suspect.

Who this suspect is
and what evidence the defense has that could tie them to the brutal murders
remains a mystery.

The judge ordered
that the filing remains under seal, keeping it cloaked in secrecy until trial.

Judge Hippler gave Kohberger's attorneys a deadline of May 23
to hand over
'whatever actual evidence you have that supports those allegations other than just allegations'.

He also ordered the defence
to 'provide for me how it is you believe that what you're offering is admissible' at trial.

The state will then have until June 6
to respond to the defence claims,
before the two sides battle it out in a hearing later that month.

The judge will then rule
whether or not the jury can hear about this alternate suspect at trial."

Idaho murders BOMBSHELL as main suspect names 'alternate' killer

The 11th-hour hearing comes after bombshell new details emerged, including Kohberger's chilling 🤬🤬🤬🤬 choices and disturbing online searches about Ted Bundy.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This attempt from the defense about an alternate suspect makes me ill.

Are they just bringing forth a name out of thin air?

Because if they had ANY evidence at all of anyone else being a suspect, it would have been part of their package in what they presented in court today.

Naming Smearing a person as a suspect in front of a judge in an open courtroom with absolutely no proof should be illegal.

Heaven help all the innocent men who might have their name brought up in court just because the defense team is clutching at straws.

IMO

 

[LinasK]

Not a vegan, she's wanted in association with theft of Jack-in-the-Box orders from porches. She's a porch pirate.

A mean and athletically built porch pirate. That drives away fast in her white car.

Okay, now you put the Tracy Chapman song "Fast Cars" in my head.

 

[Megnut]

This attempt from the defense about an alternate suspect makes me ill.

Are they just bringing forth a name out of thin air?

Because if they had ANY evidence at all of anyone else being a suspect, it would have been part of their package in what they presented in court today.

Naming Smearing a person as a suspect in front of a judge in an open courtroom with absolutely no proof should be illegal.

Heaven help all the innocent men who might have their name brought up in court just because the defense team is clutching at straws.

IMO

I think you might mean clutching at a straw man.

 

[Gigiky]

With guybrows.

Your killing me...

 

[Sachi]

This attempt from the defense about an alternate suspect makes me ill.

Are they just bringing forth a name out of thin air?

Because if they had ANY evidence at all of anyone else being a suspect, it would have been part of their package in what they presented in court today.

Naming Smearing a person as a suspect in front of a judge in an open courtroom with absolutely no proof should be illegal.

Heaven help all the innocent men who might have their name brought up in court just because the defense team is clutching at straws.

IMO

This

 

[Sundog]

It's possible they mean an EXAMPLE knife. One just like the one that they say was used to commit the crimes so they can show what it would look like and how it might match some of the inflicted damage. I don't know the exact model they think it is, but many have a serrated edge on the back, specifically for tearing. It can leave distinctive marks that would match only that model, for example.

ETA: when I say back on the serrations, I mean on the blade side, close to the handle.

I wonder if this would be allowed since it wouldn't be actual evidence. I think there would have been a defense motion against it.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I'm kind of freaked out that BK's entry pretty much coincides with this DoorDash delivery to begin with. Like murderer BK wants to be tripping over Jack-in-the-Box on his way in?? I would think he'd leave if he saw that DD driver cruising around and/or coming to the door. DD is letting BK know, someone in that house is clearly still up. There's activity there involving outsiders. Was BK already on his way in through the back slider, or positioned near it, too late to turn back?

If we just look at what we know, BK didn't seem to care who was there. Cars parked outside, the DoorDash guy...it's 4 am and at least one person is still awake and eating! This is one reason why I don't buy that Maddie was the "target." He may have seen her through her window on one of his spying missions and she may even be the physical type he likes the best-who knows? The photos he had on his phone didn't suggest to me an obvious preference, but I'm willing to go with the idea that he found her attractive.

But I think back to so many people early on calling him an "expert" in criminology. Aside from the hot mess that we see in that paper just published, which writing-wise isn't as good as my freshmen students produce, this is either truly reckless, very stupid, or the hallmark of someone who can't connect action and consequence. I truly don't know what to think.

 

[Arkay]

It's pages 34-45 in this filing:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-States+Reply+to+Defendants+Objection+to+MIL+RE+Self+Authentication+of+Records.pdf

Thank you. I had to stop reading because it's sounds so convoluted and disorganized. It looks like a first draft that needs major editing - opinion.

Thank you, @gremlin444. I hadn’t gotten around to reading his entire paper until now.

I will have to agree with @otto. It’s an amateurish list of bullet points. I don’t know what was required, but I wouldn’t allow my 8th grade students to write in this manner. IMO, at minimum he should have shaped these bullet points into an expository essay.

I would not accept childish language from my 8th graders, either. What grad student writes “The first thing I must do is…” rather than something more sophisticated?


First draft, indeed. I know I’m picky because I taught English, not Criminology, but grad school is grad school.

I don’t know him and his professors did; therefore I have no right to judge him, I suppose—-but I’ve graded thousands upon thousands of essays, and this is very poorly written.

If he’s the “smartest person in the room,” he must have been cloistered.

IMO and experience.

 

[Boxer]

So BK knows who did it, but waited until his pretrial hearing to tell anybody?