4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #107

[PinkParis2052]

What on earth could this be: Notice of Hearing - Discussion Regarding Role of Victims SEALED?

The document reveals nothing.

Because it's going to be discussed during a closed hearing.

 

[Megnut]

I doubt it. He strikes me as someone who believes he can outsmart the system, so he wants to drag it out as long as possible - a mental sparring game with prosecutors.

And as we heard about from his student-TA session, the only sparring matches BK can win are the ones where he shows up with a Kbar.

On his own, he's not the sharpest essay on the desk.

JMO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I have nothing to back this up, totally anecdotal. I could be totally off base.

My children were finishing high school and starting college during the height of COVID. Many course requirements were relaxed, and lots of As were given for effort. Neither of my kids even had to take the SAT.

It makes me wonder if BK, the smartest guy in the room, was able to get where he was pre-murder due to the general relaxation of academic standards at the time. Would that paper be an A now, or 10 years ago?

Moo

So Kohberger may not have had to take the GRE to get into his master’s program if he started the program the semester after submitting his crime scene final. He likely had to take the GRE to enter the PhD program, though, and his grades would have to be stellar.

 

[femto]

Okay so was BK interested in sexual assault of Maddie and spending some time with her, like everyone says, or just flat-out murdering her? Because if all he cared about is murdering Maddie, then Kaylee did not ruin anything really for the night. If he really cared about having a big moment alone with Maddie, he would have left once he saw Kaylee there. In fact he would have left once he heard xana call out, there's somebody here. Because right there he knows he did not get into the house undetected. Since the two girls upstairs were asleep he could have waited till xana left, as in went to bed, and then snuck out again. I'm sure he had been in the house before, so it should no big deal to sneak out and come back again. So the fact that he did not leave when he could have, shows that he really was not interested in some alone time with Maddie.

Well, highly unlikely he was interest in having anything sexual given the way he was dressed. But what Kaylee being there prevented was a clean and silent kill which would have allowed him to slip out of the house with no-one noticing. The fight with Kaylee is what woke Dylan up and is what most surely alerted Xana that something is wrong upstairs. When he lost over the crime scene upstairs, he couldn't just leave 'whenever he wanted', he was more or less trapped and had to leave as quick as possible. And you can see how erratic he was upon leaving the scene with him speeding like it was F1, instead of his prior slow and normal runs to the house, which suggests that he knew things have gone wrong.

No I think law enforcement is going with that idea, because it's the easier motive to sell. That's what people want to hear, that one girl was targeted, the hottest blonde girl was the one. That the guy was in love with the hot blonde girl. Explaining that BK wanted power glory and fame, like Ted Bundy and Elliot Rogers and BTK, is not something most people want to hear about. Explaining the BK wanted to kill a household of people, as many as he could get away with, is hard for people to wrap their head around. It's a more complex concept to sell. So they might as well stick to the romantic angle that he was in love with a beautiful blonde girl. People will find it more palatable.

<modsnip> There is all the evidence in the world that he didn't expect or want to be caught and he certainly didn't want fame. At the very least with his own name.

Again, how do we know he went straight upstairs and did not stop at DMs room finding it locked? (That is actually a thing that I wonder about. It would be a reason he would not have noticed her because he had "That room is locked" in his mind.)

Because it's highly unlikey. Dylan says she locked the room only after seeing the masked man leave. She doesn't imply the room was locked before even though it is possible. But then none of the other rooms were locked either. Given what we know of the girls, I think they were comfortable enough with each other and felt completely safe as to not lock their doors.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Let me ask for opinions here:

What are the chances BK pleads guilty right before the trial?

I give it 60% chance.

What say you????

I think he wouldn't miss the trial for the world. I also think that it probably upsets him mightily that his public defender is a woman, who of course is not as smart as he is.

 

[Megnut]

So Kohberger may not have had to take the GRE to get into his master’s program if he started the program the semester after submitting his crime scene final. He likely had to take the GRE to enter the PhD program, though, and his grades would have to be stellar.

Linking to myself, for source.

BK got a 4.0 for his Master's coursework.

I dare say young Einstein he's not but likely found great favor in pandemic accommodations.

JMO

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[Ghostwheel]

RSBM

Because it's highly unlikey. Dylan says she locked the room only after seeing the masked man leave. She doesn't imply the room was locked before even though it is possible. But then none of the other rooms were locked either. Given what we know of the girls, I think they were comfortable enough with each other and felt completely safe as to not lock their doors.

I agree with unlikely, but she didn't originally say she texted with BF, either. None of that is in the PCA, does that mean it didn't happen? Except it did and the public was not privy to the messages, until they were (unless you saw it on some other site ). In fact, the PCA states that DM locked herself in her room after seeing the male. End of story on the PCA. So obviously she didn't run down to BF's room, right? Except she did, the public just didn't know about it yet.

I also seriously doubt Xana left her room unlocked while in bed with Ethan, but I could be wrong. I agree it was most likely not just unlocked but open due to the DD coming and going Xana would have to do on that night. But I don't know that for a fact. How do I know she hadn't just unlocked her door when she was attacked?

Again, everyone gets to have their own opinion. Mine is that if I don't KNOW something to be a fact, then it isn't a fact, just a supposition.

 

[jepop]

I think they'd be allowed to show a Kabar if they do show evidence that he actually bought one on Amazon. He allegedly left the sheath behind so there is evidence he brought one with him.

It's not prejudicial , it's instructive. Maybe?

Idk, could be?. Something else I thought of the other day: Hippler's style at hearings is super organised, he clearly planned ahead for that pre-trial hearing and went methodically through each point he wanted to raise regarding the trial evidence, expected behaviour, timing of trial days and the rest. The whole hearing was mapped out. You could see Hippler referring to some kind of written agenda the whole time and crossing off items as he went.

So I noticed that the knife was raised when Hippler was going through the general protocol for evidentiary exhibits. I think he addressed demonstrative/ instructive exhibits in a separate section of the hearing ( ie the house model was discussed at that time from memory,). . If the knife is a demonstrative/ instructive exhibit would Hippler have raised it when he was discussing evidentiary exhibits in general?

I truly don't know, you and others could well be right.. But I think I'll probably end up reserving my opinion until the trial when all will become clear.

 

[Megnut]

I think he wouldn't miss the trial for the world. I also think that it probably upsets him mightily that his public defender is a woman, who of course is not as smart as he is.

BK is now well-versed in how easy it is to kill a blonde woman, or any hair-colored one. He might find some sweet irony that he has a team of women doing his dirty work.

But what I imagine does upset him mightily is his attorney's loud insistence that he's physically incapable and galactically weird.

Subtle or not so subtle indication be still can't tie his shoelaces, it wholly feeble and might as well wet the bed.

I suspect that, in his head, he's reenacted how he'd express his displeasure.

JMO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Linking to myself, for source.

BK got a 4.0 for his Master's coursework.

I dare say young Einstein he's not but likely found great favor in pandemic accommodations.

JMO

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COVID accommodations may have helped. But if professors were primarily interest in recall of facts and lists and recommendations, BK was probably good at that. It's where critical thinking and common sense come in that he's lacking.

 

[Ghostwheel]

BK is now well-versed in how easy it is a blonde woman, or any hair-colored. He might find some sweet irony that he has a team of women doing his dirty work.

But what I imagine does upset him mightily is his attorney's loud insistence that he's physically incapable and galactically weird.

Subtle or not so subtle indication be still can't tie his shoelaces, it wholly feeble and might as well wet the bed.

I suspect that, in his head, he's acted how he'd express his displeasure.

JMO

This might be a dumb question but jumping off this post, wouldn't BK's attorney have to run his defense strategy past him? Wouldn't he have to approve her using those defense strategies, or can she just say anything she wants to try and get him off? That is a real question, I don't know the answer and I'd like to.

 

[otto]

I agree with unlikely, but she didn't originally say she texted with BF, either. None of that is in the PCA, does that mean it didn't happen? Except it did and the public was not privy to the messages, until they were (unless you saw it on some other site ). In fact, the PCA states that DM locked herself in her room after seeing the male. End of story on the PCA. So obviously she didn't run down to BF's room, right? Except she did, the public just didn't know about it yet.

I also seriously doubt Xana left her room unlocked while in bed with Ethan, but I could be wrong. I agree it was most likely not just unlocked but open due to the DD coming and going Xana would have to do on that night. But I don't know that for a fact. How do I know she hadn't just unlocked her door when she was attacked?

Again, everyone gets to have their own opinion. Mine is that if I don't KNOW something to be a fact, then it isn't a fact, just a supposition.

Records from BF and DM phone between 4-4:25 a.m. are mentioned in the arrest warrant application. Details of the messages are not mentioned in this affidavit because they are not necessary to justify arrest.

122922 Affidavit - Exhibit A - Statement of Brett Payne Seeking Arrest of Bryan C. Kohberger

www.documentcloud.org

 

[katydid23]

Leaking is a crime, so the clerk would be in trouble in that situation.

It could really be anyone though, from a current/former investigator, consultants, a clerk, someone affiliated with the prosecution, etc.

It could also be a family member or spouse of an attorney or a detective.

As an example, recently a big hub bub because the son of an NFL head coach saw some private pages on his Dad's tablet with phone numbers of college recruits for the draft. He and his frat brothers made prank calls to Shadeur Sanders and almost got his Dad fired.

So close family members can sometimes see or hear top secret information too.

Also, in the Delphi trial, it was actually the Defense team that made two large leaks to the public.

 

[Megnut]

Exonerated.

We watched BK try to talk LE out of giving him a ticket wherein LE had already decided not to. We don't have crosswalks... the lines are different where I'm from....

We know he turned his phone off.

We know he bought the knife in advance, and used a gift card to purchase it.

We know he deleted search history.

We know he owned a balaclava, purchased coveralls.

We know he stopped using his ATM.

He may have obscured his license plate, he may have shaved body hair.

If he was aware if any of the four female roommates via social media, he may have taken care to avoid liking/linking them.

I wonder if BK took additional steps in order to prevent transfer and whether any of his measures and countermeasures were geared -- in his mind -- toward another suspect.

Didn't be tell his neighbor it sounded like a crime of passion? Did BK think he was handing LE a gimme? Generic SODDI, crime of passion, probably a Marine, targeted...

Where he should just sit in his car and watch LE hop around looking for BK's created imaginary dude.

I think he thinks he outsmarted everyone.

But that's okay.

A fool and his freedom are soon parted.

JMO

 

[Bahshudc]

I was replying to someone who speculated that Kaylee was his target, and he chose that night because she had returned to the home after moving out, that he saw her car and sprang into action.

He wouldn't have known she was there just from the car, because the car was new. The most he could have known is that someone was there with an unfamiliar vehicle.

MOO

Yeah, the post was mine - I'm suggesting that you're right in saying he didn't know it was KG's car, however ignoring a random unfamiliar car MAY mean that he felt like it was his final chance to attack due to KG's moving out.

The ultimate point of my original post wasn't to speculate that the target was KG, but more to illustrate how people approach this case in different ways and therefore come to different conclusions. And that's what I like about WS! (As long as its somewhat logical) MOO

 

[femto]

I agree with unlikely, but she didn't originally say she texted with BF, either. None of that is in the PCA, does that mean it didn't happen? Except it did and the public was not privy to the messages, until they were (unless you saw it on some other site ). In fact, the PCA states that DM locked herself in her room after seeing the male. End of story on the PCA. So obviously she didn't run down to BF's room, right? Except she did, the public just didn't know about it yet.

I also seriously doubt Xana left her room unlocked while in bed with Ethan, but I could be wrong. I agree it was most likely not just unlocked but open due to the DD coming and going Xana would have to do on that night. But I don't know that for a fact. How do I know she hadn't just unlocked her door when she was attacked?

Again, everyone gets to have their own opinion. Mine is that if I don't KNOW something to be a fact, then it isn't a fact, just a supposition.

But the problem is there are no facts here, we're working with what is probable and what most likely happened based on the evidence. Your argument is that 'well, anything is possible'. True, but that doesn't get us anywhere. It's also possible in the realm of imagination that he accidentally hit the wrong house, but that's highly unlikely to say the least. We can work with only what we know. Also, I might be wrong but I vaguely remember the documents mentioning that Dylan sent messages to all the roommates prior to the texts themselves but it was only Bethany who replied.

 

[Megnut]

This might be a dumb question but jumping off this post, wouldn't BK's attorney have to run his defense strategy past him? Wouldn't he have to approve her using those defense strategies, or can she just say anything she wants to try and get him off? That is a real question, I don't know the answer and I'd like to.

Not a lawyer, but I suspect that's standard operating procedure, but BK is anything but standard. Arguably substandard but that's a point for another page.

BK's parents' home was taken by storm, zipties for everyone, BK is marched to the back of a squad car, en route to arraignment, and he's making awkward smalltalk, trying to set up a playmate for coffee with the arresting officer. BK can't read a room if it had large print and a magnifier.

He is probably doing the same with AT. She knows he's not nuts but is kind of nuts. Ah, the contradiction that is BK. Be it known, however, that he's not particularly at odds with himself, just at odds with humanity (order, decency, clemency, justice). He probably says little else besides being exonerated.

Because of crafty things he may actually have done -- but were summarily undone when he left his DNA under a slain victim.

I think AT is genuinely frustrated because he is chooses not to participate, in ways thst might be helpful to her case. Regardless of what she asks him or needs from him.

IMO the man walks on his heels, dug in.

Cannot. Be. Reasoned. With.

JMO

 

[Tragg]

This might be a dumb question but jumping off this post, wouldn't BK's attorney have to run his defense strategy past him? Wouldn't he have to approve her using those defense strategies, or can she just say anything she wants to try and get him off? That is a real question, I don't know the answer and I'd like to.

Not a dumb question. The issue is governed by Rules 1.2 and 1.4 of the Idaho Rules of Professional Conduct. If I may summarize: AT is generally obliged to communicate her trial tactics and legal strategy to BK, and in general is obliged to accept his informed decisions about the entry of an initial plea, the acceptance of a negotiated plea, and other consequential matters. The rule assumes that the client will defer to the attorney's expertise on matters of strategy and tactics, but allows the attorney to withdraw if the client does not agree with the attorney's approach.

My sense is that an attorney of AT's stature in the defense bar, one of the rare attorneys authorized to defend death penalty cases in Idaho, has a ton of leverage over a client facing the death penalty. If she withdraws, who will take his case? What if the new attorney agrees with AT's strategy? BK is totally under her thumb, whatever feelings he may have about how he is being portrayed.

 

[Kudzuu]

And didn't AT have to enter the plea for him?

 

[Sachi]

There is a clear view from the road behind the house into Maddie and Kaylee's bedrooms. I don't recall exactly, but did Dateline state that Kohberger had visited the house 23 times? Kaylee had moved out, leaving one person upstairs. As for checking other bedrooms first, why not start with Xana's bedroom, or the bedroom next to the front door? For some reason, he did not do that. He went straight upstairs to the floor where there was Maddie was expected to be alone.

She could have easily had a guy in her room