4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #107

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Anyone besides me curious as to how efficiently AT is preparing the defense for her other DP case? Is she trying to delay BK's because the other one is taking time away from her? I wonder when that case is due to go to trial. May have no real effect on BK's trial, but I don't really see how it cannot, and I would love to know. JMO
 
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I'm definitely on the side of just dropping the DP here. I think it would be worth it to avoid dragging the start of this case out for ages, followed by years and years of appeals, rehashing the details over and over, re-victimization of DM and BF, just so that maybe finally after 15 years after appeals are finished, he's executed (and that's assuming ID's policy on DP doesn't change by then).

I know what the Goncalves family want. But I think the years of this being drug out, and the possibility of a sentence being overturned, or (heaven forbid) the whole thing thrown out over potentially changing laws and attitudes regarding use of IGG would be worse in the long run for the families than knowing he would be alive but in prison with LWOP.
I so agree. All of these things you have listed are the never ending years of heartache that a death penalty case can entail after conviction and sentencing.

Even if the DP was removed at this point, imo AT would seek a continuance of the trial as I believe she is so far under water.
 
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He could postpone it ten years, she's not going to find a SODDI or an alibi, no matter how many generations back she goes.

If the judge granted her a month or six months, what exactly is she going to do with that time? She filed the motions, that's her job, but she can't really think the judge is going to delay it because it's just so hard, hard, hard to do her job.

Even if, at the 11th hour, AT uncovered some causal mental health issue in one of BK's ancestors, there's NOTHING to say it would change the outcome of his sentencing. Every convicted criminal has a story. There are always reasons. Doesn't mean it rises to the level of appeal.

AT, with a straight face, is arguing for more time because she needs to launch an investigation into BK's entire family tree back to Adam and Eve in order to determine which experts to call.... this from the same attorney who has asked a doctor to look at BK's childhood and draw an ASD conclusion while summarily NOT subjecting BK to a full mental health evaluation. She would rather the judge think she sincerely intends to score his family's health records back to papyrus in search of FAS somewhere back there than risk getting BK formally diagnosed with labels she won't be able to mitigate. Like antisocial personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder, etc. Disorders for which there is no legal mercy.

I'm ready to see how Judge Hippler handles this.

JMO
I hope and believe we will be pleasantly surprised by Judge Hipplers ruling on a continuance, especially granting one of any magnitude.

He seems to have scheduled things fastidiously and I believe it would take something major to deviate too far from his schedule. He's got the ball rolling and AT would need something more than what I read in her Motion.

JMO
 
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Yes, but they can theorize based on the evidence. The only way we'd know for sure is if the murders had been caught on surveillance cameras inside the house, and even then we still might not know what his intent was- only he is in his own mind.
I assume that prosecutors will present a theory of the murders, based on known evidence, in opening statements. I was responding to a comment upthread suggesting that, although people may not agree that the sequence of events was one target and three witnesses, they would not object to the prosecution advancing that theory if it resulted in a conviction.
 
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I know that several here believe that BK left the KaBar knife sheath behind intentionally, as some sort of signature, or as some piece of evidence that might steer the investigation away from him, and in the direction of looking perhaps for a suspect with a military background, but that is an idea that I just cannot get on board with, at least at this point. I am sure that BK studied serial killers, and I do believe that he was fascinated with them, especially maybe with Bundy, and I feel pretty certain that had he not been caught, he likely would have killed again before now, and perhaps several more times, but I do believe the King Road murders were his first, and I think it, for him, was more like an entrance exam than a final exam, in the course of serial murder. I think he wanted to keep it as simple as possible, hence a knife that he could hardly fail to kill someone with, and the knowledge of the house and occupants that likely came from frequent surveillance. I think he planned to get in, do a murder, perhaps more, and get out and away. I think a calling card may have been something that he grew into, if that makes sense, as he planned additional star-gazing escapades.

I do respect differing opinions on this, but I think leaving the sheath behind was a mistake, even with surprisingly no DNA on it other than his, and only on the snap, and may be the only reason we are having this discussion right now. JMO
I too believe that he accidentally dropped the sheath and didn't notice, same as Matthew Mueller left his cell phone behind at the scene of an abduction. It would be shear stupidity to leave your DNA as a "calling card".
 
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Okay with the prosecution presenting an argument that isn't true in order to secure a conviction?
I don’t think prosecutors know what is “true” in many cases because there is no way to know unless the criminal confesses. But they have to present the “what happened” that fits what we know.
 
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Reposting this from a few months ago because it's relevant to what's going on right now:

Former Orange County prosecutor Matt Murphy, who prosecuted the Golden State Killer and Dirty John:

The defense has an obligation to make every argument they can in order to preserve these issues on appeal.

Because it's a death penalty case, it gets a very high level of scrutiny by appellate courts, so the defense has to make every pretrial challenge they can.

"I think the jury is going to be pretty persuaded by these facts...really up against it."

DNA evidence here is critical. It's huge. This evidence in his view is very, very strong.

Autism diagnosis really goes to mitigation. More geared towards the penalty phase. "Good luck with that guys."


Average juror is way more concerned about other things than following the particular case they have been selected for. It's shocking how little they tend to know about it beforehand, and he doesn't think it will be an issue at all in Boise.

Death penalty cases they automatically go to state Supreme Court on appeal, so the judge wants to be very, very, careful here. He's trying to minimize any potential appellate issues down the road.

He suspects the jury makeup will be beneficial for the prosecution. It will be a departure from the radical ideology that he's used to in Southern California.

He says he would be surprised if trial started on time. He says it's moving at light speed compared to what would happen in California.

Defense holds an ace in their hand. Because it's a death case, it means that if the defense requests additional time they're almost guaranteed to get it. No judge in a case this serious is going to want to force a defense lawyer into trial until they're ready, as this opens the door to an appeal based on ineffective assistance of counsel. So they can unilaterally continue this if they want to.

August. Maybe?

Thinks they've had enough time but who knows.
Thanks for this MG. I remember watching this interview. Matt Murphy imo is absolutely one of the GOAT Attorney/Prosecutor I’ve ever seen/listened to/watched. I followed a few homicide cases he prosecuted to include the Dirty John case. To watch and listen to him in court, he’s so skilled and intelligent, a master class trial attorney.
I believe he secured convictions in most if not all homicide cases he prosecuted as Senior DDA in Orange County, CA before retiring in 2019.
I trust just about everything he now reports and opines on, the best of the best imo.

#JusticeforKaylee,Maddie,Xana,and Ethan

IMHOO
 
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Reposting this from a few months ago because it's relevant to what's going on right now:

Former Orange County prosecutor Matt Murphy, who prosecuted the Golden State Killer and Dirty John:

The defense has an obligation to make every argument they can in order to preserve these issues on appeal.

Because it's a death penalty case, it gets a very high level of scrutiny by appellate courts, so the defense has to make every pretrial challenge they can.

"I think the jury is going to be pretty persuaded by these facts...really up against it."

DNA evidence here is critical. It's huge. This evidence in his view is very, very strong.

Autism diagnosis really goes to mitigation. More geared towards the penalty phase. "Good luck with that guys."


Average juror is way more concerned about other things than following the particular case they have been selected for. It's shocking how little they tend to know about it beforehand, and he doesn't think it will be an issue at all in Boise.

Death penalty cases they automatically go to state Supreme Court on appeal, so the judge wants to be very, very, careful here. He's trying to minimize any potential appellate issues down the road.

He suspects the jury makeup will be beneficial for the prosecution. It will be a departure from the radical ideology that he's used to in Southern California.

He says he would be surprised if trial started on time. He says it's moving at light speed compared to what would happen in California.

Defense holds an ace in their hand. Because it's a death case, it means that if the defense requests additional time they're almost guaranteed to get it. No judge in a case this serious is going to want to force a defense lawyer into trial until they're ready, as this opens the door to an appeal based on ineffective assistance of counsel. So they can unilaterally continue this if they want to.

August. Maybe?

Thinks they've had enough time but who knows.
I love Matt Murphy and value his opinions!
 
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I don’t think prosecutors know what is “true” in many cases because there is no way to know unless the criminal confesses. But they have to present the “what happened” that fits what we know.
I have a different impression of the legal system and prosecutors. I think prosecutors spend a lot of time getting into the head of a murderer in order to understand what happened and why. Prosecutors are not like us - where we grab what we can from the news and try to piece it together. They have the evidence in their hands - sufficient evidence to bring charges that they can prove.
 
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I love Matt Murphy and value his opinions!
He can shut his stupid mouth here!

But yes, he’s excellent. I wasn’t the least bit worried about this happening, even after that leak. But the fact that they’ve asked for it now means it being granted is more probable than not.

Things seemed to be going smoothly, with Judge Hippler keeping AT’s BS in check (being overwhelmed with discovery while having the time to take on another death penalty case, etc).

But If they’re this far behind on the penalty phase, I just don’t see a way for him to deny this.

It sucks.
 
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Maybe AT is hoping that the delay takes the trial out past Hippler’s term.
 
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A lot of this is a never ending argument for a continuance.
We need to re-interview people because even though it’s only been six months they might remember something new.
Six months later….rinse and repeat. Over and over and over.
This is a tough judge, not easily manipulated. I feel he will do whatever he can to keep this trial on track
 
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I hope and believe we will be pleasantly surprised by Judge Hipplers ruling on a continuance, especially granting one of any magnitude.

He seems to have scheduled things fastidiously and I believe it would take something major to deviate too far from his schedule. He's got the ball rolling and AT would need something more than what I read in her Motion.

JMO
Me too. I don't think he'll grant one. Jmo
 
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What is AT Hoping for?
Maybe AT is hoping that the delay takes the trial out past Hippler’s term.
@DizzyB Good thought. TYVM.

Or maybe hoping for delays until one of Judge Hippler's grandchildren will preside over BK's trial?
 
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He can shut his stupid mouth here!

But yes, he’s excellent. I wasn’t the least bit worried about this happening, even after that leak. But the fact that they’ve asked for it now means it being granted is more probable than not.

Things seemed to be going smoothly, with Judge Hippler keeping AT’s BS in check (being overwhelmed with discovery while having the time to take on another death penalty case, etc).

But If they’re this far behind on the penalty phase, I just don’t see a way for him to deny this.

It sucks.


But she isn't supplying a valid argument IMO.

That they might find SOMETHING if they have just a little more time? And it would have to be something that mitigates the DP. Like finding 50 fewer IQ points. She's vague about any prosecutorial withholding, she's vague about what she needs additional time to do. Sweeping generalities about what one could theoretically do is esoteric. Fascinating for dinner party debate but not grounds for a continuance or every DP would have a sliding trial date.

She cast too wide a net. If she delineated a specific direction she needed more time to develop, I don't think he would easily deny her that. But this?

All wind, no sail.

JMO
 
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Reposting this from a few months ago because it's relevant to what's going on right now:

Former Orange County prosecutor Matt Murphy, who prosecuted the Golden State Killer and Dirty John:

The defense has an obligation to make every argument they can in order to preserve these issues on appeal.

Because it's a death penalty case, it gets a very high level of scrutiny by appellate courts, so the defense has to make every pretrial challenge they can.

"I think the jury is going to be pretty persuaded by these facts...really up against it."

DNA evidence here is critical. It's huge. This evidence in his view is very, very strong.

Autism diagnosis really goes to mitigation. More geared towards the penalty phase. "Good luck with that guys."


Average juror is way more concerned about other things than following the particular case they have been selected for. It's shocking how little they tend to know about it beforehand, and he doesn't think it will be an issue at all in Boise.

Death penalty cases they automatically go to state Supreme Court on appeal, so the judge wants to be very, very, careful here. He's trying to minimize any potential appellate issues down the road.

He suspects the jury makeup will be beneficial for the prosecution. It will be a departure from the radical ideology that he's used to in Southern California.

He says he would be surprised if trial started on time. He says it's moving at light speed compared to what would happen in California.

Defense holds an ace in their hand. Because it's a death case, it means that if the defense requests additional time they're almost guaranteed to get it. No judge in a case this serious is going to want to force a defense lawyer into trial until they're ready, as this opens the door to an appeal based on ineffective assistance of counsel. So they can unilaterally continue this if they want to.

August. Maybe?

Thinks they've had enough time but who knows.

If this is true, that the defense can unilaterally continue, then what keeps them from doing so ad infinitum? How would a DP case ever go to trial?

The defense would have no motive to do anything other than, well, what AT is doing, has been doing, and will continue to do if Hippler lets her get away with it.

Resubmit the same motions in slightly varied forms, over and over again.

Tease the Probergers out there that BK really does have an alibi, that AT really has found “alternate perpetrators” (just one isn’t enough).

We all know AT’s bag of tricks, her dog and pony show.

At some point, there HAS to be a firm deadline. And there should be no bonus points for creativity.
 
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Anyone besides me curious as to how efficiently AT is preparing the defense for her other DP case? Is she trying to delay BK's because the other one is taking time away from her? I wonder when that case is due to go to trial. May have no real effect on BK's trial, but I don't really see how it cannot, and I would love to know. JMO

Well, I doubt AT will spend much time courting the press and social media for Mr. Skylar Meade. He is hardly sympathetic.


That will free up more time to, say, review discovery in a timely manner. Or not. Meade’s trial was originally scheduled to start on February 3, 2025 and last 6 weeks. I guess AT was just too overwhelmed with all the work she had to do for her other DP client (our boy Bry).


I fear AT may care about her new DP client as much as she cared about Xana’s mom. Some clients are just more important than others, right?
 
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