4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #107

[gremlin444]

My personal opinion is they had a ring camera on the front and back door and this was all caught on camera. They were all afraid of getting stalked so it makes sense they had cameras. If it was not on camera, then the internet was down just like the rumor says. Just because we don't see pictures of the cameras now, does not mean the police didn't take them down right away and we did not get pictures of them. So I think it's likely Kaylee saw it on her ring cam. But that's just my guess.

I'm not sure why police would need to take the cameras to get the footage?

In the police body cam footage from the noise complaints in mid August and early September of 2022, just months before the murder, we can see the area around the front door and the back slider.

Bryan Kohberger case: Theory Idaho suspect was behind party house noise complaints debunked

Moscow, Idaho, police responded to noise complaints three times at the home where four University of Idaho students were later killed, but incident reports contain no evidence that prime suspect Bryan Kohberger placed the calls, as web sleuths have suggested.

www.foxnews.com

The first video in the article, with Kaylee in the sleeveless dress at the backdoor--at the very beginning and very end of the video you get a good look at the area left of the slider. The right side of the slider is visible at all times. You can also see a lot of the supporting posts for the deck above. No camera is visible.

Scroll down to the next video, where it is dark and starts at the front door. This is from the September 1 noise complaint. At 5-7 seconds into the video you get a good view of the doorbell and it is the same standard plain pushbutton doorbell we see in pictures of the house after the murders. At about 21 seconds you get a good view of that weird little wall that sticks out next to the spare room/storage room. Nothing is mounted there. At 29 seconds you get good view of the underside of the overhang from in front of the storage room all the way to the other end past BF's room. Nothing mounted up there. At 42 seconds, the officer has gone around back and you get a good view of the supporting post near the slider. Nothing mounted there.

Scroll down more to the final video with XK in a red hoodie. That is from September 2. At 3:34 it's just the plain rectangular push button doorrbell with no camera. The only thing mounted in the overhang are the recessed lights that you can see turned on in post murder photos. The front door lock is a keypad with a handle. You can see a metal disc covering what would have been the previous hole for the key entry. No cameras mounted around the front door frame.

Is it possible that they put one up between Sept 2 and Nov 13? Sure. But unlikely. The keypad front door lock seen here is the same one seen after the murders. I could go comb through social media of the girls posing out by the slider door and probably find images after Sept 2 of the back door as well.

Just to say--we all wish there had been security cameras. But there just doesn't seem to be any, from what we can see in videos and photos.

Not to mention if there was footage, AT would have tried to have that suppressed along with everything else. I also can't imagine Steve Goncalves not talking about security camera footage from 1122 if it existed.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Agreed.
His looking for a new knife on Amazon because --he'd already tossed the murder weapon.
Etc.

And then that selfie with the shower background.....
Celebratory.
Sick bleep.

I do believe LE have him dead to rights, and I wouldn't be surprised if BK's defense knows this.

From the Dateline episode : Disagree with the defense saying that like (paraphrased), '...like a house of cards & if one falls the rest will tumble after'.
One wild card ('new' evidence) is not going to negate the other evidence; and this case isn't a flimsy house of cards.
Ridiculous.

I didn't care for the way the defense seized on the fact that the roommate said (about BK's photo) she didn't know who that was.
He had a balaclava on, and only his eyebrows stood out.
For her, seeing his entire face in a photo lineup would've been different, and in a way that can be used for the prosecutor's benefit, as Brian had never been to that house nor did he personally know anyone there !

It's going to be difficult for the two survivors to be on the stand as I fear the defense is going to attempt to debunk their testimony.

BK built a puzzle, with each interlocking piece adding to the final outcome.

And as far as his recent diagnosis, imo there are high functioning autistics who do know what they're doing and can discern right from wrong.
Thinking from earlier threads where BK was using gloves to dispose of waste at his parents, and the clothing worn during the murders -- why throw good clothes away, Brian ?
Imo.

BBM

Look, I agree with everything you say, but I feel I need to speak out for autistic people.

My own experience is that most autistics can discern right from wrong and in fact are often sticklers for rules, with a heightened need for justice.

A problem arises when an autistic person’s rules don’t match society’s.

One theory of autism is that autistics don’t naturally, automatically sync with the behaviors of others around them, and they don’t just accept what others say. Things need to be “logical.”

This often makes them non-conformists. And black and white thinkers.

An autistic person might not recognize social hierarchies, treating the CEO and janitor of a company equally, for example.

A autistic person might keep unconventional hours, perhaps switching days and nights because they don’t naturally sync with others’ signs of wakefulness or tiredness.

An autistic person might devote his life to righting social wrongs because he decided that an oppressed group is being treated unfairly.

In small, traditional communities, this lack of natural syncing can be dangerous and is often simply not tolerated. Everyone has to sync, even if by force. Humans must depend on one another to survive in a world filled with threats of starvation, large predators, and nearby warring factions. Yet even traditional communities often provide a role for the occasional “weird” person. Think of a tribal shaman, for example.

In large modern societies such as ours, autistics are given much more free rein. (Until they suddenly fear having to register for a national data base, that is.)

I think BK is autistic and I have always thought BK is autistic. I remember thinking—oh great, another autistic person goes off the deep end, making everyone look bad.

The Sandy Hook Shooter, the Parkland Shooter, Elliot Rodgers, now BK.

Of course, these people aren’t just autistic. They also have serious personality disorders, IMO. Like it or not, autistic people are susceptible to personality disorders which can occur in response to deep childhood trauma. Autistic people are like orchids, not dandelions, more vulnerable to less than ideal conditions.

The problem, in my mind, is that individuals who don’t automatically sync with others can be dangerous if they are repeatedly rejected and hurt by others, before the autistic person ever rejected or hurt anyone.

A autistic person may eventually lash out if they have not independently developed or consciously buy into a pro-social code of ethics based, often, on reasoning. (Emotion can definitely play a role, too, due to the acute sensitivity many autistic people experience.)

Anyway, it’s like everything is a decision for many autistics.

Because autistics are independent thinkers, I’m prepared for most if not all of the autistic people here to disagree with me.

But to each of you reading this, please don’t think I advocate giving BK a pass because he’s autistic.

It isn’t BK’s fault that he is autistic (or may have a personality disorder), but he made the decision to not seek help. He made the decision to brutally murder four young adults. He did a VERY BAD thing and he needs to pay, IMO.

IMOO, of course.

 

[Dotta]

"Defence took the step of pointing the finger at another suspect.

Who this suspect is
and what evidence the defense has that could tie them to the brutal murders
remains a mystery.

The judge ordered
that the filing remains under seal, keeping it cloaked in secrecy until trial.

Judge Hippler gave Kohberger's attorneys a deadline of May 23
to hand over
'whatever actual evidence you have that supports those allegations other than just allegations'.

He also ordered the defence
to 'provide for me how it is you believe that what you're offering is admissible' at trial.

The state will then have until June 6
to respond to the defence claims,
before the two sides battle it out in a hearing later that month.

The judge will then rule
whether or not the jury can hear about this alternate suspect at trial."

Idaho murders BOMBSHELL as main suspect names 'alternate' killer

The 11th-hour hearing comes after bombshell new details emerged, including Kohberger's chilling 🤬🤬🤬🤬 choices and disturbing online searches about Ted Bundy.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[concernedcitizen706]

I'm not sure why police would need to take the cameras to get the footage?

In the police body cam footage from the noise complaints in mid August and early September of 2022, just months before the murder, we can see the area around the front door and the back slider.

Bryan Kohberger case: Theory Idaho suspect was behind party house noise complaints debunked

Moscow, Idaho, police responded to noise complaints three times at the home where four University of Idaho students were later killed, but incident reports contain no evidence that prime suspect Bryan Kohberger placed the calls, as web sleuths have suggested.

www.foxnews.com

The first video in the article, with Kaylee in the sleeveless dress at the backdoor--at the very beginning and very end of the video you get a good look at the area left of the slider. The right side of the slider is visible at all times. You can also see a lot of the supporting posts for the deck above. No camera is visible.

Scroll down to the next video, where it is dark and starts at the front door. This is from the September 1 noise complaint. At 5-7 seconds into the video you get a good view of the doorbell and it is the same standard plain pushbutton doorbell we see in pictures of the house after the murders. At about 21 seconds you get a good view of that weird little wall that sticks out next to the spare room/storage room. Nothing is mounted there. At 29 seconds you get good view of the underside of the overhang from in front of the storage room all the way to the other end past BF's room. Nothing mounted up there. At 42 seconds, the officer has gone around back and you get a good view of the supporting post near the slider. Nothing mounted there.

Scroll down more to the final video with XK in a red hoodie. That is from September 2. At 3:34 it's just the plain rectangular push button doorrbell with no camera. The only thing mounted in the overhang are the recessed lights that you can see turned on in post murder photos. The front door lock is a keypad with a handle. You can see a metal disc covering what would have been the previous hole for the key entry. No cameras mounted around the front door frame.

Is it possible that they put one up between Sept 2 and Nov 13? Sure. But unlikely. The keypad front door lock seen here is the same one seen after the murders. I could go comb through social media of the girls posing out by the slider door and probably find images after Sept 2 of the back door as well.

Just to say--we all wish there had been security cameras. But there just doesn't seem to be any, from what we can see in videos and photos.

Not to mention of there was footage, AT would have tried to have that suppressed along with everything else. I also can't imagine Steve Goncalves not talking about security camera footage from 1122 if it existed.

Yeah but were they afraid of being stalked at that time? Apparently they were so afraid of being stalked they all walked around together in a group. When did that happen?

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I posted about it on May 7--his face is blocked from being shown in the Lori Daybell trial.

G

Post in thread '4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #106'

May 7, 2025

Interesting. FBI CAST agent, Nick Ballance, will be testifying in the Lori Vallow trial in June. The prosecutor in that case is asking that video of his part of the trial not be live streamed because he is also involved in undercover work.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920212779585482752

• gremlin444

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Oh boy.

 

[DisplacedDivaofthe6C]

BBM

My own experience is that most autistics can discern right from wrong and in fact are often stickers for rules, with a heightened need for justice.

A problem arises when the autistics rules don’t match society’s.

One theory of autism is that autistics don’t naturally, automatically sync with others around them.

This often makes them non-conformists. For example, autistics might keep unconventional hours (days and nights switched) if they don’t automatically sync with others’ signs of wakefulness or tiredness.

In small, traditional communities, this can be dangerous. Humans need to depend on another to survive. Yet even traditional communities provide for people who are “weird.” Think of a shaman, for example.

In large modern societies such as ours, autistics are given much more free rein. Until they suddenly fear having to register for a national data base, that is.

I think BK is autistic and I have always thought BK was autistic. I remember thinking—oh great, another autistic person goes off the deep end, making everyone look bad.

The Sandy Hook Shooter, the Parklamd Shooter, now BK.

The problem isn’t autism, though. Obviously, almost all autistic people are not killers. As @BeginnerSleuther

I guess what peeves me the most was AT's announcement BK had been dx with Aspergers and the "Glow-down" BK had underwent when AT announced said Aspergers, taking him from a young man in a suit that had a very different presence about him to what we've seen in the last two hearings now, following the principle, basically, of a turning a wh0re into a Madonna.

I get she is trying to throw everything in, including the kitchen sink, to keep her client alive, even if convicted to see him get LWOP vs death. However, this dx into 2.5-ish years of this case against BK just recently being raised by AT, IMO completely exploits the members of neurodivergent and disabled communities, who are always fighting to seek normalcy and acceptance of achievements as carte blanche, just like any other person, be it education, science, medicine, music, art, etc. What gives AT the right to all of a sudden thrust BK's questionable and odd essences and explain it away with Aspergers? Just not cool.

As PunishThenForgive said, "The problem isn’t autism, though. Obviously, almost all autistic people are not killers," Absolutely 110% agree.

 

[gremlin444]

Oh boy.

The man in Nate Eaton's tweet is Brandon Bodreaux, Lori's niece's ex-husband.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

Idaho murders BOMBSHELL as main suspect names 'alternate' killer

The 11th-hour hearing comes after bombshell new details emerged, including Kohberger's chilling 🤬🤬🤬🤬 choices and disturbing online searches about Ted Bundy.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Wow. I knew it. Both the defense and prosecution I bet we're holding back on that and now its coming out.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

RE: Dateline: These were very big moments. The number of times the Elantra circled the house on King Road was also pretty damning.

But we knew about that a long time ago. Or at least those of us who watch Gray Hughes knew about this.

Dateline also leaked the Ka-bar purchase on their previous episode, and the Judge H allowed it as evidence. I’m hopeful most of the leaked evidence stays.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

The man in Nate Eaton's tweet is Brandon Bodreaux, Lori's niece's ex-husband.

See, I was so appalled I didn’t read the article. Sorry.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

I've certainly got some wishful thinking going on, but as I've said my head's telling me that knife he used is buried somewhere under the clouded stars alongside whatever trinkets his boney fingers nicked from the house.

Interesting when you watch the stream from the timestamp though at the prosecutors faces when the judge mentions the knife, they look buzzing!

I was zoomed in on BK for his reaction, didn't think to do the same for the prosecution

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I was zoomed in on BK for his reaction, did t think to do the same for the prosecution

Good thing you can watch one of the recordings on YouTube!

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

I posted about it on May 7--his face is blocked from being shown in the Lori Daybell trial.

G

Post in thread '4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #106'

May 7, 2025

Interesting. FBI CAST agent, Nick Ballance, will be testifying in the Lori Vallow trial in June. The prosecutor in that case is asking that video of his part of the trial not be live streamed because he is also involved in undercover work.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920212779585482752

• gremlin444

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So who posted his face?

 

[concernedcitizen706]

So who posted his face?

Why are you talking about this guy from the Lori daybell trial on the Brian coberger thread? Is that guy involved in both trials?

 

[gremlin444]

Yeah but were they afraid of being stalked at that time? Apparently they were so afraid of being stalked they all walked around together in a group. When did that happen?

Are we talking about what the vape shop employee said he was told 3 weeks before the murder?

Kaylee's parents said that wasn't true. They knew about the time in mid October that KG thought 2 guys in a grocery store were stalking her and they didn't indicate her being overly distressed.

If they had a ring doorbell out front, police would have had to have taken it down immediately and replaced it with the plain doorbell we see in photos from Monday and Tuesday after the murders. That doesn't really seem likely.

If there had been cameras mounted somewhere, I still can't come up with a reason why the police would have needed to take them down to collect evidence. Am I missing something?

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Why are you talking about this guy from the Lori daybell trial on the Brian coberger thread? Is that guy involved in both trials?

Yeah he's on both cases, he does CAST data.

 

[PinkParis2052]

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[PinkParis2052]

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[DisplacedDivaofthe6C]

You know he's going to come up with a story. The defense can't just say nothing for a trial.

Right. Like give Bry Baby a break, he can't be capable of a mass slaying of four innocent young adults because he was too overwhelmed switching from heroin to cocaine. Your Honor, you have to believe this mitigating fact and most compelling testimony from his cousin on Reddit...it's life shattering to make such changes, just like people when they change from regular coffee to decaf or from smoking to vaping.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

Yeah he's on both cases, he does CAST data.

Interesting. Okay thanks