4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #107

[otto]

GH work in progress, virtual re-enactment, 12 minutes

I would like to see better lighting. We understand that he wants to reflect night-time, but so much detail is lost with low light animation.

 

[Megnut]

It's the only explanation I can think of for leaving the sheath behind. If he had it hooked to himself, he wouldn't have left it behind. He had to be carrying it lose in his hands ... or is there another explanation?

1. Had it in his hand, put it down in order to free up his hand.
2. Left it behind as a signature, thought he'd cleaned it.
3. Fell out of his pocket.
4. Fashioned a belt of some sort which gave way.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I would like to see better lighting. We understand that he wants to reflect night-time, but so much detail is lost with low light animation.

GH did the drive himself by day and night and included thst footage in many different videos.

This one is 25 minutes long. At about 12 minutes, you shows the loop behind 1122 and 500 Queen...

 

[Baby baby Jane]

This. Thank you!! I hardly see that as "brilliant" and that type of assignment is something that certainly is not a special or advanced assignment. It's been a while since I hit the books as an undergrad, but I'd say that type of assignment was 200-level coursework like for a "Criminal Law and Procedure" class.

And, let's really boil it down here...BK spent a disastrous first semester, a mere four months, if that, alienating himself from his fellow students in his PhD cohort (and most likely his profs, especially the women), creating a number of students of his own that did not like or respect him as a TA--highly doubtful those students learned anything BK was supposed to be teaching them--was put on a Performance Plan, made maybe one friend who now suspects him of breaking into her apartment, possibly stealing some important things of hers and spying on her via her electronic security system, creeping out a female student, following her uninvited to her car and fighting with his supervising professor, once, if not twice, and publicly making fun of an Associate Professor for not speaking fluent English as it was not her first language, resulting in being fired and losing his tuition waiver, income and insurance. Lest not forget his peers started "The Bryan Tally" to track his obnoxious and misogynistic behaviors, rudely interrupting professors, "man-splaining" to women students and profs and skipping classes taught by female instructors. That's not academic brilliance, that's being a straight up a$$hole!

Agree … it’s a$$hole and not autism.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

1. Had it in his hand, put it down in order to free up his hand.
2. Left it behind as a signature, thought he'd cleaned it.
3. Fell out of his pocket.
4. Fashioned a belt of some sort which gave way.

JMO

Wonder if there is some BK /Ka-Bar/Ko-burger /BTK … word-play or initials moniker thing he was thinking for his serial killer name ?
The Ka-bar killer which suits his initials & why he left the sheath?

 

[Teche]

Perhaps you're right. I bought into the idea that he must be clever since he was a PhD student. After reading his paper, he strikes me as an arrogant, disorganized thinker. It's not that he lacks logic, but he's out of sequence.

In terms of planning a murder, you might be right that his first thought was to murder several women in one house, but beforehand he had to turn off his phone as he drove to the house. Beforehand he had to figure out where to park. I'm not convinced he thought about what would happen if someone was awake, or heard him. After the murders, he tried to forensically wipe his hard drive. It didn't occur to him that he should wipe the drive before the murders because he might get caught during the murders. He has too many afterthoughts.

On the very first page of his paper, he states his theory of transfer: every criminal leaves something at the crime scene and takes something away. He failed his first point and left the sheath behind. He forgot everything he learned within minutes of entering the house.

the paper, pg 34

I’d be interested in knowing what grade Bry earned for this project.

 

[femto]

It comes across as a mental mess. I'm not sure where I'm going with this, but if he wanted to mass murder the occupants of the house, he would have thought about order. The upstairs bedrooms are a trap in terms of fast escape, so that's one reason to start there. He may not have initially known about the bedroom at the bottom of the stairs. Xana's bedroom off the living room may have been second, then the downstairs bedrooms ... all easy access to the exits. Two girls in one room, Xana investigating the disturbance - if true, seeing one of the victims frozen in her doorway, changed the plan entirely to self-preservation.

Obviously only Bryan would know what was going through his head at that time, but again - the evidence points to a specific target and everything else collateral. Kaylee wasn't sought, she was there with Maddie. Xana wasn't sought, she interrupted him. Ethan wasn't sought, Kohberger kinda stumbled on him when he entered the room while chasing Xana. At least 3 of his victims were happenstance, not something he planned. And whether he saw Dylan or not, he didn't bother with the other two girls in the house.

Now you can say that maybe after he killed Maddie he would have went to the other rooms and such, and of course that is possible, but we have no evidence of that. But I will say that if he planned to kill indiscrimantely, he wouldn't have been so picky. Dylan's room was right ahead of his entrance to the kitchen. It would have been much easier and less risky of him to attack then and there. Another interesting aspect of the target is that he parked right beside the house where Maddie's room would have been visible. And did a number of trips that night checking it out and then leaving before finally going through it. It's highly likely that he was checking out whether the Maddie was still awake.

 

[Chloegirl]

I find the "alternate perpetrator" theory from the defence interesting. Before DNA analysis was invented, it was unfortunately more common for tunnel vision to kick in and convict the innocent. That is, investigators decided on the most likely suspect, and built an argument to convict that person. That's less common today.

Investigators should follow the evidence, and the arrest of Kohberger seems to do that. It is the defence that is pursuing the route of tunnel vision by picking a suspect they prefer, and trying to build an argument that their suspect is guilty. It has Kohberger's fingerprints all over it. He starts with the end result, which is to convict someone else for the murders, then backtracks to concoct links between that person and the murders.

So my brain just said wait he was not there he was out stargazing right? How would he know who the alternate perpetrator was unless he was there? Hysterically suspicious. Because he was. JMOO

Nobody waits 2 years to point a finger somewhere else that they knew all along. Complete BS. Or is he such a wonderful criminologist that he figured it all out even though he was not there. HA!

One last thing, perhaps if he was my autistic son, I would want to believe him. But he isn't and I don't. JMOO

 

[Kudzuu]

It's the only explanation I can think of for leaving the sheath behind. If he had it hooked to himself, he wouldn't have left it behind. He had to be carrying it lose in his hands ... or is there another explanation?

I can't recall the picture of the attachment for the sheath, but I'll take your word for it.

I do know that my gun clips to my belt or pants or boot etc. Easy to take on and off. But I'm not going to murder anyone.

Stupid of BK to carry the sheath. After he pulled it was he expecting to hold it in one hand while he murdered the helpless young lady?

I'm going on Amazon to look at a k bar.

 

[otto]

Agree … it’s a$$hole and not autism.

That's what I'm thinking too.

 

[otto]

I’d be interested in knowing what grade Bry earned for this project.

Obviously only Bryan would know what was going through his head at that time, but again - the evidence points to a specific target and everything else collateral. Kaylee wasn't sought, she was there with Maddie. Xana wasn't sought, she interrupted him. Ethan wasn't sought, Kohberger kinda stumbled on him when he entered the room while chasing Xana. At least 3 of his victims were happenstance, not something he planned. And whether he saw Dylan or not, he didn't bother with the other two girls in the house.

Now you can say that maybe after he killed Maddie he would have went to the other rooms and such, and of course that is possible, but we have no evidence of that. But I will say that if he planned to kill indiscriminately, he wouldn't have been so picky. Dylan's room was right ahead of his entrance to the kitchen. It would have been much easier and less risky of him to attack then and there. Another interesting aspect of the target is that he parked right beside the house where Maddie's room would have been visible. And did a number of trips that night checking it out and then leaving before finally going through it. It's highly likely that he was checking out whether the Maddie was still awake.

Makes sense - and very likely the prosecution theory: Maddie was the target (there may be evidence he went to the restaurant she worked often when she was working), others were collateral. That theory is explained by the evidence.

 

[Megnut]

I’d be interested in knowing what grade Bry earned for this project.

Friggin' Master's.

 

[Megnut]

I can't recall the picture of the attachment for the sheath, but I'll take your word for it.

I do know that my gun clips to my belt or pants or boot etc. Easy to take on and off. But I'm not going to murder anyone.

Stupid of BK to carry the sheath. After he pulled it was he expecting to hold it in one hand while he murdered the helpless young lady?

I'm going on Amazon to look at a k bar.

There goes your innocent Amazon search history.

Amazon's internal software must be WRECKED by sleuthers clicking on all sorts of stuff we're not buying. Interest in Kbars, off the charts.

Wait a while before you start searching for coveralls and balaclavas.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Iirc BK left the pool party with fresh phone numbers and next connected with the tower by 1122. If true, perhaps he overheard mention of it -- party house.

I haven't abandoned the Mad Greek either. Waiting in the parking lot, casually (creepily) asking about work schedules and home addresses, perhaps getting a polite bryshoff, and getting the answers another way -- tailgating them home.

Truly though he might have zeroed in on 1122 before zeroing in on MM, by virtue of her fishbowl window.

JMO

 

[Kudzuu]

@Megnut

I ain't gonna lie. That crossed my mind. I'm paranoid in these times.

That is one scary knife.

 

[otto]

Friggin' Master's.

Yup ... requires GPA of 3.87 to qualify for PhD at some universities ... that's 97%. It was an A paper according to the instructor.

 

[SteveP]

Makes sense - and very likely the prosecution theory: Maddie was the target (there may be evidence he went to the restaurant she worked often when she was working), others were collateral. That theory is explained by the evidence.

Early on, a former employee of the Mad Greek, where both Maddie and Xana worked, claimed that BK had been into the restaurant on at least two occasions, and had ordered vegan pizza. The former employee did not state whether he dined in either time, or got it to go. It also was not stated that either of the murdered victims were working when he came in. The story was reported by several media sources, but shortly after, the owner denied the story, saying that the former employee was just looking for five minutes of fame.

I am undecided as to whether or not BK had ever gone into the restaurant, or if he had ever seen Maddie or Xana there, and if he had ever interacted with either of them. If LE have any evidence to back that scenario up, they either find it irrelevant, or are holding it close to the vest. Publicly, at least, the state has agreed with the defense that there is no known prior connection between BK and any of the victims, so unless and until I hear differently, I guess I will accept that, although I would not be surprised to find out that he had been there, and may have seen one or both. JMO

Idaho Suspect Bryan Kohberger Visited Restaurant Where 2 Victims Worked 'at Least Twice' Before Killings

According to a former employee at the Mad Greek restaurant in Moscow, Idaho, Bryan Kohberger came in at least twice to grab vegan pizza

people.com

Owner of restaurant where Bryan Kohberger reportedly ate speaks out

Jackie Fischer said reports of Kohberger visiting the restaurant "caused a whole bunch of extra work for myself and the investigators."

www.newsweek.com

 

[stormymama]

I have nothing to back this up, totally anecdotal. I could be totally off base.

My children were finishing high school and starting college during the height of COVID. Many course requirements were relaxed, and lots of As were given for effort. Neither of my kids even had to take the SAT.

It makes me wonder if BK, the smartest guy in the room, was able to get where he was pre-murder due to the general relaxation of academic standards at the time. Would that paper be an A now, or 10 years ago?

Moo

 

[Megnut]

BK allegedly bought the knife from Amazon using a gift card he also purchased.

BK turned his phone off, but then also turned it back on for four minutes.

BK drove his own car right up to 1122... within 300' anyway...

BK bought a balaclava and coveralls, at different times, hanging on to a tag her, a receipt there.

He left the sheath with his DNA on it at the crime scene.

I think BK fancies himself invisible.

His countermeasures are elementary and only one layer deep.

If he didn't encounter MM at the Mad Greek and follow her home, based on his patterns, I can't help but think he might have been collecting names and numbers in order to find a suitable victim with one degree of separation. In other words, getting a phone number from Female A, liking her photos, but leap-frogging to Female B, a social media friend of Female A. That way he has no direct connection to Female B, making her an unsuspecting prey.

It's not impossible that BK crossed MM's path virtually (nexus: social media) and in person (nexus: the Mad Creek) but even finding 1122 by accident, that window is a gateway for a predator keen on predation.

How often did he park there and watch?

JMO

 

[Megnut]

If BK was trawling social media on 11/12, did he see the group photo? Was that what inspired his now-or-never?

If everyone had been asleep, like one might assume, at 3 am, one per room, would BK have started at the top and killed his way down? Never letting go of the sheath, like he'd probably practiced, with false success.

He would have had ambush on his side, and as such, little noise.

All LE would have had to go on was weapon identification from autopsy and white Elantra, no front plate. And not even that -- because, without the door dash vehicle necessitated investigation by BK, he would have had no reason to reverse course, which is the only way the front of his car was captured.

White Elantra. That's it. No sheath, no DNA, no witnesses, no brybrows.

He probably still thinks he's going out for coffee, after.

Not in the free world, he's not.

JMO