4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #107

[Megnut]

I think my favorite bullet point in AT's spaghetti motion is that, if the judge doesn't grant a continuance, it will open the verdict up to appeal on the grounds of ineffective counsel.. There is no one who is more qualified, more capable than AT. She has filled every motion imaginable and then some.

More time, new lawyers, less publicity don't change the basic fact that the evidence again BK is solid, overwhelming and impenetrable.

JMO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Thank you, @SpiderFalcon.

I see that in the Motion to Continue, pp.15-17, the defense is claiming that:

Bryan’s mother, as a young teenager, drank alcohol. Therefore BK may have FETAL ALCOHOL SYNDROME and they need to pursue family history going back three generations to find out if alcoholism is the root cause of his problems. Also they note they have to interview everyone more than once because people may remember a different detail at another time.

IMO this is utterly outrageous.

ETA: It’s been pointed out to me that the defense was using this as an example, and not about BK’s mom in particular.

I’ve recognized this mistake below somewhere. My fault for skimming quickly and not reading every page.

However, I’m leaving this post here so others who’ve skimmed or didn’t get to read it at all can have insight into AT’s mindset, and how the defense plans to stall the case now.

Personally I’m counting on Judge Hippler for his wise decisions.

Yes @Arkay ….. that is disgusting, outrageous, and I concur. And what relevance might that have regardless IMO?

A more general question includes, is that alleged at a time when BK was inutero? And if not the case, then….. I better stop here.

It is also disparaging and condescending IMO towards any individuals associated with alcoholism or in recovery for it or other addiction. And as others might well agree, many other addicts, alcoholics, or even other individuals do not always carry out the horrid crimes that the defense’s client is accused of and will stand trial for shortly.

It is unfortunate IMO that more of these documents are not under seal and that the gag order perhaps needs further strengthening. SMH. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

This reads like it was ready to go prior to the whole Dateline thing. 90% of it has to deal with not being prepared for trial, and the defense being behind for the penalty phase.

Dateline is an afterthought, and I don’t see that moving the judge.

It’s the penalty phase thing that gives me great concern.

 

[ilovewings]

Yes @Arkay ….. that is disgusting, outrageous, and I concur. And what relevance might that have regardless IMO?

A more general question includes, is that alleged at a time when BK was inutero? And if not the case, then….. I better stop here.

It is also disparaging and condescending IMO towards any individuals associated with alcoholism or in recovery for it or other addiction. And as others might well agree, many other addicts, alcoholics, or even other individuals do not always carry out the horrid crimes that the defense’s client is accused of and will stand trial for shortly.

It is unfortunate IMO that more of these documents are not under seal and that the gag order perhaps needs further strengthening. SMH. MOO

another example of desperation!!!! It is. actually pathetic

 

[Sachi]

not even sure what all that was?

 

[PunishThenForgive]

If AT put as much time and thought into the actual case against her client BK, as she does with these word salad Motions, they would probably be further along in the process. See also...not accepting another DP Trial at the same time.

I knew she'd have words about the Dateline Special, glad she informed us of the James Patterson new book out on July 16th, didn't know about that lol.

The Defense cannot control the media and freedom of speech. They represented what might/could have happened according to 'sources' close to the investigation. Judge Hippler has jumped all over that immediately, like I thought he would and should.

These True Crime Story Specials have aired before trial for many, many high profile cases. It is the way of things now. Trial by TIKTOK, Insta, Fakebook and Youtube.

We shall see.

JMO

The most annoying thing about this phenomenon is that it encourages those who are criminally inclined to commit particularly heinous acts simply for notoriety. We all watch with bated breath as the lurid case unfolds, but because we are watching, the defense claims prejudice and continually delays the trial.

I’m also concerned about IGG tips being thrown out on appeal. Couldn’t a killer submit his DNA to an ancestry site right before a murder he plans to commit, then claim a violation of his constitutional rights when LE identifies him via IGG?

I have feared BK may have done just this thing since reading this early article:

https://amp.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271252642.html

IMO

 

[Megnut]

This reads like it was ready to go prior to the whole Dateline thing. 90% of it has to deal with not being prepared for trial, and the defense being behind for the penalty phase.

Dateline is an afterthought, and I don’t see that moving the judge.

It’s the penalty phase thing that gives me great concern.

I don't see how he can be moved.

It's ridiculous to posit that suddenly BK can only present proper mitigating evidence if AT can study his family history back three generations. How would she even do that? Where is that the standard? She hadn't even ASKED FOR a real mental health evaluation for BK (a strategy she has chosen) but now she needs time to go back and interview his grampaw's grammar.

She has not made a fresh argument nor IMO provided a basis for further scrutiny. The cases she cites -- what bearing do they have on BK? There's no indication he has FAS or schizophrenia. She's asking the judge for a continuance so she can go fishing in the Kohberger gene pool and fossil garden for something, anything to which she can offload his culpability.

I hope he shuts her down. Pithily.

JMO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Sooo.....on a scale from 1-10, how angry do you think Hippler is right now?

Well, he better not have a stroke.

We’re counting on you, Judge Hippler!

 

[fcavanaugh]

Don’t get me wrong, I’m hoping Judge Hippler ‘stamps’ DENIED on this D motion request for continuance. Having said that IANAL and wondering, is it possible Judge Hippler could render a split decision?
IOW, perhaps denies continuance of guilt phase of trial and grants continuance for sentencing phase?

#JusticeforKaylee,Madison,Xana,and Ethan

IMHOO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Any chance that he will deny the motion to continue, but will take the death penalty option away instead? Could this be a roundabout way for AT to get it off the table?

As little mercy as BK deserves, I wish they’d take the DP off the table so these ceaseless motions would end and BK would finally face the consequences of his actions. Just think of all the money Idahoans have already spent on this terrible man, for both his defense and prosecution. Imagine how much more they’ll have to spend if Hippler grants the continuance, and once the appeals process starts.

The danger of BK escaping is one thing that concerns me about lifting the DP option. Kohberger is shrinking before our eyes, just like his apparent idol, Ted Bundy, did before his two escapes from prison. Will Kohberger try to escape as well? Of course, he could also try that while on death row.

 

[Sachi]

If the trial is postponed, how far off would that be do you think?

 

[Megnut]

Don’t get me wrong, I’m hoping Judge Hippler ‘stamps’ DENIED on this D motion request for continuance. Having said that IANAL and wondering, is it possible Judge Hippler could render a split decision? IOW, perhaps denies to continue guilt phase of trial and grants sentencing phase continuance?

#JusticeforKaylee,Madison,Xana,and Ethan

IMHOO

One jury though. With a hiatus in the middle? Yeesh.

An extension doesn't guarantee any of the things AT is claiming and/or asking for.

I hope his response sounds like: "do your job, Counselor."

In a delightfully quotable way.

JMO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

If the trial is postponed, how far off would that be do you think?

And beyond, if AT has her way.
IMO

 

[fcavanaugh]

As little mercy as BK deserves, I wish they’d take the DP off the table so these ceaseless motions would end and BK would finally face the consequences of his actions. Just think of all the money Idahoans have already spent on this terrible man, for both his defense and prosecution. Imagine how much more they’ll have to spend if Hippler grants the continuance, and once the appeals process starts.

The danger of BK escaping is one thing that concerns me about lifting the DP option. Kohberger is shrinking before our eyes, just like his apparent idol, Ted Bundy, did before his two escapes from prison. Will Kohberger try to escape as well? Of course, he could also try that while on death row.

RBBM.
Not to mention partly to the tune of $416k annual salary for AT.
Man if I were a resident of the beautiful state of Idaho, I know I’d be pi$$ed. Put this evil creep away already and throw away the da$n key!

#JusticeforKaylee,Maddie,Xana,and Ethan

IMHOO

 

[Slamalam]

Well, he better not have a stroke.

We’re counting on you, Judge Hippler!

yes! And don’t forget all of your fans, hang in there Judge Hippler- there are still loads of us who want to marry you!

(JMO and kidding of course)

 

[MassGuy]

The Dateline stuff was more of an afterthought in this filing, yet we get headlines like this. I think someone is mad about getting scooped.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1925285067427065882

 

[imstilla.grandma]

University of Idaho murder trial delay requested by Kohberger's defense

Bryan Kohberger's defense team has requested a delay in his trial, citing concerns over "prejudicial" publicity. They argue that starting a capital trial in August 2025 could lead to an

www.kulr8.com

 

[sassyblue]

RBBM.
Not to mention partly to the tune of $416k annual salary for AT.
Man if I were a resident of the beautiful state of Idaho, I know I’d be pi$$ed. Put this evil creep away already and throw away the da$n key!

#JusticeforKaylee,Maddie,Xana,and Ethan

IMHOO

I am a resident and I am pi$$ed. And I've thought from the beginning that the defense underhandedly leaked the info to delay, delay, delay or get the DP off the table. Such a snake in the grass move.

 

[gremlin444]

As little mercy as BK deserves, I wish they’d take the DP off the table so these ceaseless motions would end and BK would finally face the consequences of his actions. Just think of all the money Idahoans have already spent on this terrible man, for both his defense and prosecution. Imagine how much more they’ll have to spend if Hippler grants the continuance, and once the appeals process starts.

I'm definitely on the side of just dropping the DP here. I think it would be worth it to avoid dragging the start of this case out for ages, followed by years and years of appeals, rehashing the details over and over, re-victimization of DM and BF, just so that maybe finally after 15 years after appeals are finished, he's executed (and that's assuming ID's policy on DP doesn't change by then).

I know what the Goncalves family want. But I think the years of this being drug out, and the possibility of a sentence being overturned, or (heaven forbid) the whole thing thrown out over potentially changing laws and attitudes regarding use of IGG would be worse in the long run for the families than knowing he would be alive but in prison with LWOP.

 

[Betty P]

I think my favorite bullet point in AT's spaghetti motion is that, if the judge doesn't grant a continuance, it will open the verdict up to appeal on the grounds of ineffective counsel.. There is no one who is more qualified, more capable than AT. She has filled every motion imaginable and then some.

More time, new lawyers, less publicity don't change the basic fact that the evidence again BK is solid, overwhelming and impenetrable.

JMO

Just now beginning to catch up on the events of today, but she's been doing a good job. She's been filing motions, making arguments, etc. that all the other defense attorneys do these days in these high profile, horrific cases where the evidence is solid and investigations were highly professional and thorough.

She's getting as much of her version of the case in front of the public as possible. She's revealing as much of the evidence as possible, against the gag order. She's inoculating the media, public and potential jury pool against the most damaging evidence and arguments the state will be bringing forward against her client. She's proposaing every conspiracy theory and SODDI argument she can come up with. Planting the idea of a mistrial based on "ineffective counsel" is not a stretch, JMO, though it may be a new one. Pretty creative.