4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #107

[Boxer]

Just get jurors who didn't watch it or who are capable of having an open mind.

The problem isn't the media its that her clients DNA is at the scene on a sheath for a knife he bought.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I'm definitely on the side of just dropping the DP here. I think it would be worth it to avoid dragging the start of this case out for ages, followed by years and years of appeals, rehashing the details over and over, re-victimization of DM and BF, just so that maybe finally after 15 years after appeals are finished, he's executed (and that's assuming ID's policy on DP doesn't change by then).

I know what the Goncalves family want. But I think the years of this being drug out, and the possibility of a sentence being overturned, or (heaven forbid) the whole thing thrown out over potentially changing laws and attitudes regarding use of IGG would be worse in the long run for the families than knowing he would be alive but in prison with LWOP.

The endless appeals and the way they drag out the legal process for victim's family's is \why I'm not a fan of the death penalty.

However, in this case, I don't think that will stop the defense from dragging out this case. She is one to keep moving the goal posts.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Reposting this from a few months ago because it's relevant to what's going on right now:

Former Orange County prosecutor Matt Murphy, who prosecuted the Golden State Killer and Dirty John:

The defense has an obligation to make every argument they can in order to preserve these issues on appeal.

Because it's a death penalty case, it gets a very high level of scrutiny by appellate courts, so the defense has to make every pretrial challenge they can.

"I think the jury is going to be pretty persuaded by these facts...really up against it."

DNA evidence here is critical. It's huge. This evidence in his view is very, very strong.

Autism diagnosis really goes to mitigation. More geared towards the penalty phase. "Good luck with that guys."

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Average juror is way more concerned about other things than following the particular case they have been selected for. It's shocking how little they tend to know about it beforehand, and he doesn't think it will be an issue at all in Boise.

Death penalty cases they automatically go to state Supreme Court on appeal, so the judge wants to be very, very, careful here. He's trying to minimize any potential appellate issues down the road.

He suspects the jury makeup will be beneficial for the prosecution. It will be a departure from the radical ideology that he's used to in Southern California.

He says he would be surprised if trial started on time. He says it's moving at light speed compared to what would happen in California.

Defense holds an ace in their hand. Because it's a death case, it means that if the defense requests additional time they're almost guaranteed to get it. No judge in a case this serious is going to want to force a defense lawyer into trial until they're ready, as this opens the door to an appeal based on ineffective assistance of counsel. So they can unilaterally continue this if they want to.

August. Maybe?

Thinks they've had enough time but who knows.

The truth is that most people don't watch TV anymore. They stream movies and even get sports on streaming. And most people don't read books (I'm a college English prof so this I know) and even those that do don't read Patterson (I don't, for one). Then factor in that even TV watchers are not all about watching Dateline.

 

[Boxer]

The endless appeals and the way they drag out the legal process for victim's family's is \why I'm not a fan of the death penalty.

However, in this case, I don't think that will stop the defense from dragging out this case. She is one to keep moving the goal posts.

If she can't get through the discovery maybe replace her.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I assume that prosecutors will present a theory of the murders, based on known evidence, in opening statements. I was responding to a comment upthread suggesting that, although people may not agree that the sequence of events was one target and three witnesses, they would not object to the prosecution advancing that theory if it resulted in a conviction.

That was my post. I did not intend to suggest in any way that the prosecution would present a known lie. I was stating that I myself understand that the prosecution will have its own theory of the case and it's not an issue for me (me only) that my idea of what happened matches the prosecution's theory of the case.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Ok, Let's just say, for fun, that somehow they had his name 5 days earlier. [Even though it seems unlikely, imo]

But let's say they did have him as a possible suspect---then what? How specifically did those 2 traffic stops help the investigation in any way?

They didn't search the vehicle, or question them about the Moscow murders,or try to get his DNA off something, or use the stops to progress the case in any way, imo.

I know for a fact, 100%, that those kinds of preventive drug trafficking stops are standard, random and happen all the time.

And the way the officers acted made it seem like it was just a random, standard fishing expedition. They didn't smell any weed, which is often present in spite of any attempts to prevent it, and Mr Kohberger did not fit the behaviour or profile of a drug mule according to their experience.

So they were allowed to go on their way. If they really thought he was a serial killer suspect they would not have just waved the on so quickly, imo.

Appelman says the feds were watching BK via license plate readers and other technology, which makes more sense to me than getting random cops to stop a mass murderer.

 

[BUF]

A good timeline of some of the notable pre-trial developments and decisions in here:

The latest pretrial developments in the Idaho student killings case

By Eric Levenson and Taylor Romine, CNN (CNN) — A defense attorney for Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of killing four University of Idaho students

krdo.com

 

[mcmaffy]

This request for a continuance is a natural consequence of a painfully protracted proceeding which had a stupidly broad gag order thrown over it. It was only a matter of time until some leaks filtered out to the media and the longer this case drags on the higher the probability of a leak.

I strongly disagree with the gag order in this proceeding. Justice should be administered publicly not under the cover of almost complete darkness. We freely surrender our rights to take personal retribution against those who harm us or our loved ones by handing over the power & responsibilty to the State...but in return we should not be prevented from observing exactly what the State & Judiciary do in administering and dispensing justice on our behalf.

If I was one of the victims' parents I would be beside myself with the constant delays and heavily defendant-centric approach by the courts in these types of matters. I get it: defendants, especially those who face being put to death, have rights - but what about the victims??

 

[PinkParis2052]

Well, I doubt AT will spend much time courting the press and social media for Mr. Skylar Meade. He is hardly sympathetic.

https://amp.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article290882209.html

That will free up more time to, say, review discovery in a timely manner. Or not. Meade’s trial was originally scheduled to start on February 3, 2025 and last 6 weeks. I guess AT was just too overwhelmed with all the work she had to do for her other DP client (our boy Bry).

Trial date set for murder suspect Skylar Meade in Nez Perce County

A trial date has been set for murder suspect Skylar Meade.Meade was not in court as he chose to waive his apperance...During a scheduled hearing today.His publi

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I fear AT may care about her new DP client as much as she cared about Xana’s mom. Some clients are just more important than others, right?

Meade's trial is scheduled for January 26, 2026 and is expected to last six weeks.

Filer woman sentenced for role in Skylar Meade’s escape

A Filer woman is sentenced to prison after aiding in the escape of Skylar Meade following a shooting at a Boise hospital last year.

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[Knitty]

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