4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #108

[MassGuy]

She needs to be reminded daily that it was a million times more likely to be a prank than a murder.

You've got Danny Rolling, Richard Speck, and that's really the only similar crimes I can find. Speck was 1966, where he killed 8 student nurses, and Rolling killed 2 female college students at a time in 1990 (eventually 8 total).

So this had happened twice in 56 years.

That's not just a million to one, but tens of millions to one. If given the option of a prank, or the alternative, you guess prank every time. This just does not happen, and it's never happened with Kohberger's level of planning.

 

[Boxer]

You've got Danny Rolling, Richard Speck, and that's really the only similar crimes I can find. Speck was 1966, where he killed 8 student nurses, and Rolling killed 2 female college students at a time in 1990 (eventually 8 total).

So this had happened twice in 56 years.

That's not just a million to one, but tens of millions to one. If given the option of a prank, or the alternative, you guess prank every time. This just does not happen, and it's never happened with Kohberger's level of planning.

And also Halloween had just happened in a Greek neighborhood.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

In all fairness, we don’t know what help his parents provided. Sometimes a psychopath/sociopath is just that. I do not believe ASD played any role whatsoever in his murder spree. BK is responsible for his own premeditated actions…no excuses for his pathetic existence. No blame for his family either.

I don’t blame his family at all and think they made great sacrifices for him. I think one thing that played a huge role in the murders is his feeling of disconnection from literally everyone. He acts like thinks he’s the only human around—the only person worthy of respect. Everyone else is just fodder to him.

IMO

 

[Helechawagirl]

The whole story that was put out about unidentified mixed DNA under Maddie's nails was just another feeble attempt by the defense to plant seeds of doubt as to BK's guilt into the public and the minds of potential jurors. It was determined that an unknown DNA mixture of at least three persons (the analysis said at least four) was found under Maddie's nails, but the mixture contained only approx 1% male DNA, and excluded BK, which is not unexpected at all, as there is nothing to indicate that she was ever able to put up any fight when she was attacked.

103) Interpretation of the ISP Lab DNA results for Item 13.1 employing the validated color specific thresholds resulted in the detection of a full DNA profile, consistent with a mixture of at least 4 contributors, at least one of whom is male. The following comparisons were made: • Madison Mogen cannot be excluded as a potential contributor11 • Kaylee Goncalves cannot be excluded as a potential contributor12 • Bryan Kohberger was excluded as a potential contributor to the mixed DNA profile 104) Based on the initial qualitative assessment of the DNA profiles obtained from Item 13.1, the known reference DNA profiles from Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves were used to estimate the relative mixture proportions observed. This analysis was conducted based on the relative peak values (rfu) across multiple loci in the mixed DNA profile. The following mixture proportions were calculated:

• Madison Mogen ~ 83%
• Kaylee Goncalves ~ 12%
• Unknown contributors ~ 5%
a. Unknown male(s) DNA component at Amelogenin (X, Y): ~ 1%
b. This result was consistent with the information gained from the DNA quantitation assay for Y-chromosome DNA as summarized in paragraph 101 above. Approximately 1% of the DNA in this sample is of male origin.

My opinion, the unknown male DNA could have been almost any male that she came in contact with at The Corner Club, or Grub Truck while out that night. We saw her hugging at least one male on the Grub Truck live feed. JMO

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/040725_States_Notice_of_Filing_Suppl_Affidavit_in_Support_of_Response_to_MIL_5_RE_Inconclusive_Data.pdf

Thank you! I have been shocked at the fact-free episodes from various creators. A lot of the rumors from the early days of this crime are being regurgitated…that poor dog that was “skinned.” Eventually it was revealed to be an animal attack.

They were also spouting off about how Kaylee’s wounds were different.

 

[Megnut]

Did he ever get back at this man, or just take it out on the young, idealistic campers?

ETA:


What am I missing? I rotated the picture and studied it from all angles, then rotated the picture again while looking at its image on a mirror, and I still can’t decifer any initials.

What are they, pray tell?

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Source of screenshot: Two Days Back (2011)

Don't make me watch it again!!! They had the mom's diary, knew who the man was, deceased. Very anticlimactic. JMO

 

[AcerPacer]

Thank you! I have been shocked at the fact-free episodes from various creators. A lot of the rumors from the early days of this crime are being regurgitated…that poor dog that was “skinned.” Eventually it was revealed to be an animal attack.

They were also spouting off about how Kaylee’s wounds were different.

It was proclaimed recently (dateline episode I think) that Kaylee had been smashed in the face with something that broke her nose. This being "different wounds" from the others. I think she was still stabbed to death but the facial wounds were additional and IMO excessive and even more horrific (ETA not more horrific than stabbing her, more horrific than not smashing her in the face at all)
It was discussed whether he had punched her or used the butt of the knife

 

[Chloegirl]

There has been speculation everywhere on this case. One point that I do not see addressed is Twitch video from the Grub Truck. There was a YouTube interview about how they came to focus on mac and cheese. They also talked about an average of 250 people watching. Would this not be an opportunity to know who was watching KG & MM that night? Wouldn't IP addresses be identified? I always expected to hear more about this. Thoughts?

This is not about the murders and was a report done before they occurred.

That is Albert James reporting for Murrow News8

 

[Megnut]

Speaking of the food truck and DM's late night phone call -- IMO I don't think they were planning to GO OUT, I think she was calling the driver to see if he was still driving, to see if he'd pick up food and bring it to them.

The more we learn, the sadder it gets. Young people out doing young people-y things, getting in at 1, 2 in the morning, like young people sometimes do, still revved up, soggy with alcohol, and predictably hungry. No great mystery. Their 2 am was old people's 4 pm, stereotypes notwithstanding. Hungry, not quite ready for bed, but in for the night.

While BK was in his apartment 10 miles away assembling his kill kit.

The contrast in humanity breaks me.

JMO

 

[browneyes]

I don’t blame his family at all and think they made great sacrifices for him. I think one thing that played a huge role in the murders is his feeling of disconnection from literally everyone. He acts like thinks he’s the only human around—the only person worthy of respect. Everyone else is just fodder to him.

IMO

I was responding to your post #647. Apologies if I misunderstood.

 

[mmeynstyn]

There has been speculation everywhere on this case. One point that I do not see addressed is Twitch video from the Grub Truck. There was a YouTube interview about how they came to focus on mac and cheese. They also talked about an average of 250 people watching. Would this not be an opportunity to know who was watching KG & MM that night? Wouldn't IP addresses be identified? I always expected to hear more about this. Thoughts?

This is not about the murders and was a report done before they occurred.

That is Albert James reporting for Murrow News8

I thought of that early on also. I keep looking for info in all of the court doc's about his on-line activity that night but nothing has come out.

Was BK watching the Grub Truck video and knew they were really drunk? If so, he probably knew when they left. Gosh, do I need to go back and check for timing....when they left truck and when BK left apartment? LOL

The other being the DD order. I recall early on in the investigation, maybe even before BK was arrested, Door Dash made some changes to their App. I think it was privacy changes. That made me curious if somehow BK was aware of the food order. This might also explain why he circled so many times. Maybe he knew DD was delivering food. In his mind, he may have thought the DD driver would be a good person to pin it on. Just my speculating and thinking out loud - I have not seen anything in media or court doc's to suggest there was a link.

Looking forward to trial to hear if there is any more info that comes out about his on-line activity before the murders.

 

[SteveP]

I actually would love to know if BK had any suspicious cell phone data on the late night of Friday, 11, and wee hours of Sat, Nov 12, 2022. Was he out and about? We have seen nothing to suggest that he was in the vicinity of King Road that morning, but was his phone off at any point during that time? Was his phone at home, and never touched during those hours? We know he was a night owl. I keep thinking about his activity the morning of Nov 13. It seems obvious to me that it WAS going to happen that morning. Time seemed to be running out for BK. The semester was soon coming to an end, and students would be leaving. He would be leaving, and probably already knew that he would not be returning. It seems that it HAD to happen that morning. Was part of his determination due to previous plans being thwarted? Was Nov 13 a back-up plan in case Nov 12 didn't work out? I would really love to hear about his cell phone data, and also online activity the night and morning before the murders. JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Speaking of the food truck and DM's late night phone call -- IMO I don't think they were planning to GO OUT, I think she was calling the driver to see if he was still driving, to see if he'd pick up food and bring it to them.

The more we learn, the sadder it gets. Young people out doing young people-y things, getting in at 1, 2 in the morning, like young people sometimes do, still revved up, soggy with alcohol, and predictably hungry. No great mystery. Their 2 am was old people's 4 pm, stereotypes notwithstanding. Hungry, not quite ready for bed, but in for the night.

While BK was in his apartment 10 miles away assembling his kill kit.

The contrast in humanity breaks me.

JMO

I agree 100% DM was trying to get in touch with the sorority (Sober Sisters) driver. All four girls were in Maddie's room chatting for a bit before going to bed, they probably gave her the contact number.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

I actually would love to know if BK had any suspicious cell phone data on the late night of Friday, 11, and wee hours of Sat, Nov 12, 2022. Was he out and about? We have seen nothing to suggest that he was in the vicinity of King Road that morning, but was his phone off at any point during that time? Was his phone at home, and never touched during those hours? We know he was a night owl. I keep thinking about his activity the morning of Nov 13. It seems obvious to me that it WAS going to happen that morning. Time seemed to be running out for BK. The semester was soon coming to an end, and students would be leaving. He would be leaving, and probably already knew that he would not be returning. It seems that it HAD to happen that morning. Was part of his determination due to previous plans being thwarted? Was Nov 13 a back-up plan in case Nov 12 didn't work out? I would really love to hear about his cell phone data, and also online activity the night and morning before the murders. JMO

Yes, I'm wondering the same. I think it's entirely possible he was there on the previous night, either scouting or planning to attack (but didn't for some reason). His computer data goes dark on the 11th I think, which is why I was suspicious of something going on the night prior.

 

[gremlin444]

I thought of that early on also. I keep looking for info in all of the court doc's about his on-line activity that night but nothing has come out.

Was BK watching the Grub Truck video and knew they were really drunk? If so, he probably knew when they left. Gosh, do I need to go back and check for timing....when they left truck and when BK left apartment? LOL

The other being the DD order. I recall early on in the investigation, maybe even before BK was arrested, Door Dash made some changes to their App. I think it was privacy changes. That made me curious if somehow BK was aware of the food order. This might also explain why he circled so many times. Maybe he knew DD was delivering food. In his mind, he may have thought the DD driver would be a good person to pin it on. Just my speculating and thinking out loud - I have not seen anything in media or court doc's to suggest there was a link.

Looking forward to trial to hear if there is any more info that comes out about his on-line activity before the murders.

I went back and checked some times for you (from PCA, Dateline episode, and 48 hours episode and a few court documents):

around 1:40 MM and KG on Grub truck video.
around 1:45 KG texts the rideshare driver
1:53 rideshare driver picks girls up
1:45 MM & KG dropped off at home
2:44 WSU surveillance cameras see BK's car leaving apartment area
2:47 last time BK's phone connects to cell network near his apartment and then shuts off

 

[Kudzuu]

I went back and checked some times for you (from PCA, Dateline episode, and 48 hours episode and a few court documents):

around 1:40 MM and KG on Grub truck video.
around 1:45 KG texts the rideshare driver
1:53 rideshare driver picks girls up
1:45 MM & KG dropped off at home
2:44 WSU surveillance cameras see BK's car leaving apartment area
2:47 last time BK's phone connects to cell network near his apartment and then shuts off

Thank you for this. But the time MM &KG were dropped off was later than when they were picked up. I'm thinking around 2 am.

 

[arielilane]

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger​

Ada County CR01-24-31665

Current Case Summary

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger

6.4.2025

• NewStates Supplemental Response to Defendants Request for Discovery
• NewOrder Sealing Exhibit S-1 to States Supplemental Response to Defendants Request
• NewOrder Sealing Exhibit S-1 RE States Response to Defendants 23rd Supplmental Request for Discovery
• NewOrder Regarding Allocation of Reserved Media Seating
• NewMotion to Seal Exhibit S-1 to States Supplemental Response to Defendants Request for Discovery

6.3.2025

• NewStates Response to Defendants 23rd Supplemental Request for Discovery
• NewMotion to Seal Exhibit S-1 RE States Response to Defendants 23rd Supplemental Request for Discovery

6.2.2025

• NewOrder Sealing Parties Proposed Stipulated Jury Instruction
• NewOrder Sealing Exhibit V to Defendants 23rd Supplemental Request for Discovery

6/18/2025
Hearing Scheduled (12:30 PM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)

7/21/2025
CANCELED Hearing Scheduled (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)
Vacated

7/30/2025
Hearing Scheduled (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)


8/11/2025
Jury Trial (8:30 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)

 

[arielilane]

I am behind on this case, and regret if this already discussed (Im sure it has been) just wanted to say how brave Xana was before her senseless murder. If what police speculate true that XK may have heard something happening on the floor above her and went upstairs to check, she’s a hero! Is it possible she caused the monster to leave the knife sheath behind as he chased her down the stairs? Idk. Haven’t followed case enough, but, that may explain it.

Additionally, the surviving victims are heroes as well. So glad theyre here to tell their story. Appreciate the honesty, theres no reason you would ever think your roommates and EC would be brutally and senselessly murdered in the middle of the night. moo


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6 Shocking New Details Of Idaho College Murders

Four college students in Idaho were brutally murdered in 2022. . Six shocking new details came out about the Idaho murders.

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5.12.2025

Only one person alive knows the answer. But the police speculated that Xana Kernodle may have heard something happening on the floor above her and went to check. The authorities believe that the killer chased Kernodle down the stairs and ultimately murdered her in her room. They know she was awake at the time of the killings because she received a Door Dash order and was on social media moments before authorities think the killings started.

 

[MassGuy]

Bryan Kohberger's past life looms with new witnesses in Idaho trial

In a new court document filed in Pennsylvania, five individuals were summoned to appear for a hearing to show why they should not be called to testify in the high-profile trial in Idaho this summer.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Bryan Kohberger's past life is set to fall under the spotlight in his upcoming capital trial with several people in Pennsylvania now called to appear as witnesses in the case.

In a new court document filed in Pennsylvania, five individuals including his former professor at DeSales University and a woman who works at a boxing gym where he used to train were hit with summons connected to the trial.

The group was ordered to appear for a hearing on June 30 to show why they should not be called to testify in the high-profile trial in Idaho this summer.

Among the names on the list are DeSales University Professor Michelle Bolger - who taught the accused quadruple killer during his criminal justice Masters degree.

Others summoned as witnesses include Ann Parham, who was an advisor at Kohberger's school, and Jesse Harris, who works at a boxing gym where the suspect used to work out.

Two other mystery individuals - Ralph Vecchio and Maggie Sanders - have also been summoned.

It is not clear from the court documents what the purpose of their trial testimony would be - or whether they are being sought as witnesses by the defense or prosecution.

 

[AcerPacer]

Bryan Kohberger's past life looms with new witnesses in Idaho trial

In a new court document filed in Pennsylvania, five individuals were summoned to appear for a hearing to show why they should not be called to testify in the high-profile trial in Idaho this summer.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Bryan Kohberger's past life is set to fall under the spotlight in his upcoming capital trial with several people in Pennsylvania now called to appear as witnesses in the case.

In a new court document filed in Pennsylvania, five individuals including his former professor at DeSales University and a woman who works at a boxing gym where he used to train were hit with summons connected to the trial.

The group was ordered to appear for a hearing on June 30 to show why they should not be called to testify in the high-profile trial in Idaho this summer.

Among the names on the list are DeSales University Professor Michelle Bolger - who taught the accused quadruple killer during his criminal justice Masters degree.

Others summoned as witnesses include Ann Parham, who was an advisor at Kohberger's school, and Jesse Harris, who works at a boxing gym where the suspect used to work out.

Two other mystery individuals - Ralph Vecchio and Maggie Sanders - have also been summoned.

It is not clear from the court documents what the purpose of their trial testimony would be - or whether they are being sought as witnesses by the defense or prosecution.

"Two other mystery individuals - Ralph Vecchio and Maggie Sanders - have also been summoned."

Any ideas on these two? I don't recognise either name except for 1 being similar to the actor in Karate Kid!

 

[Peppery]

"Two other mystery individuals - Ralph Vecchio and Maggie Sanders - have also been summoned."

Any ideas on these two? I don't recognise either name except for 1 being similar to the actor in Karate Kid!

Google says there is a RV who is associated with an HVAC company not far from BK’s hometown. No idea if it’s the same person. That could be interesting if related to the HVAC company being seen at 1122 in the days after the murders. I don’t think we have a clear reason why they were there.