4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #108

[Cool Cats]

DeSales is a small, regional Catholic liberal arts college in a pretty depressed part of the country, and it’s enrollment has been decreasing, like many similar colleges across the country.

Its online M.A. in Criminal Justice program is most likely targeted toward people who work in law enforcement full time but want to increase in the ranks.

The fact that BK impressed his DeSales professors can partly be explained, I guess, by a lack of competition, but WSU also thought he could make it as an academic.

I’m not sure if people who grew up with parents who went to college, then went to college themselves, or had parents who are doctors, then too became doctors, can understand how hard it can be to break through to the next level—even if your teachers, your equally-gifted but more privileged peers and their parents are rooting for you and trying to show you the way.

It’s difficult to leave one’s class behind, one’s early experiences and friends behind, and there are just things that are unspoken that you never do figure out.

Anyway, BK has spent most or all of his life as a duck out of water—even in his own family, at least once puberty hit. And now, because of his heinous acts, he’ll forever be a duck out of water—and a caged one, at that.

IMOO

BK had every advantage and apparently had mom and dad support him letting him live at home all his adult life. Seems unusual the advantages this guy had yet couldn't care less, lived on the dark side by choice.

I am so sick of this guy. I cannot wait to hear guilty 12 times. This Amazon knife purchase has stopped most posters from thinking he is innocent. Amongst other revelations. How bout looking for a new knife after his night of carnage.

I need a shower.

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[PunishThenForgive]

BK had every advantage and apparently had mom and dad support him letting him live at home all his adult life. Seems unusual the advantages this guy had yet couldn't care less, lived on the dark side by choice.

I am so sick of this guy. I cannot wait to hear guilty 12 times. This Amazon knife purchase has stopped most posters from thinking he is innocent. Amongst other revelations. How bout looking for a new knife after his night of carnage.

I need a shower.

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I agree. They sacrificed everything for him. His mom’s interest in working with “special needs” kids may have started with her experience caring for him.

It was terrible seeing his father bent in defeat as he cleaned up after the arrest. And it was sad seeing his entire family cover their faces when they attended his initial hearing in Pennsylvania. BK’s own family members are victims, too.

 

[jepop]

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger

A bunch of new listings have been added (June 9th) to the the Case Summary page including State's response to Defendant's Proffer of Alternative Perp dated 6th June (sealed I think). No new docs added yet to the site.

Here's a link that let's you download the latest case summary. It's a long scroll to the bottom.

Ebm corrected dates

 

[Cool Cats]

I agree. They sacrificed everything for him. His mom’s interest in working with “special needs” kids may have started with her experience caring for him.

It was terrible seeing his father bent in defeat as he cleaned up after the arrest. And it was sad seeing his entire family cover their faces when they attended his initial hearing in Ohio. BK’s own family members are victims, too.

And, wow, his one sister is involved with mental health. Other sister is successful also I think. This is a nice intact stable family and it will be heart wrenching seeing his family pleading for his life on the stand.

BK, the loved and wanted only son.

Most mass killers I have researched had horrible abusive childhoods and those terrible childhoods can be used as mitigating factors but this won't work for BK with all his pampered advantages. Plus, BK had every opportunity to analyze and understand himself. He even had his parents paying (I assume) for his drug rehab, no small feat.

Name one mitigating factor....

*Crickets*

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[PunishThenForgive]

Not really concerned about them testifying, it’s what was behind a phone call to parents? That seems awfully cozy. Maybe if he had been in fourth grade and was only kid not invited to a birthday party … but this is grad school … the grown up world. MOO.

If any of us got arrested for alleged MURDER, would our managers call our families? MOO.

Yeah, the cynical side of me thinks she’s angling for access to his parents so she can pick their brains for her next bestseller about their son.

However, according to NewsNation:

Ramsland categorically denied key claims in the article [by Howard Blum], stating she had “no email correspondence with Bryan Kohberger” while he was at Washington State University and has not been in contact with him since his arrest.

“I called his parents as a gesture of kindness, but I do not advise them about the case,” Ramsland said. “I did not call them hours after the arrest, as Blum claims.”

Ramsland also refuted other claims in the article, including that she had discussed a book with Kohberger’s sister or that she had brokered anything regarding legal representation.

 

[LinasK]

And yet we here on Websleuths are fixated on this terrible man and his terrible crimes. So in a way Bryan Kohberger is “important,” in the same way past criminals are important to our understanding of our species. To fully appreciate goodness and to strive mightily for it, perhaps we have to grapple with and face the simmering human potential for true evil.

IMOO

That's not why I'm here. I'm involved in this case for justice for the victims.

 

[LinasK]

Sorry for the flurry of posts, guys. I started teaching again last week (after a three-week break), so I don’t have much time to post here during the week (and have just now caught up with simply reading the posts on this thread).

I post to Websleuths strictly from my smartphone since I don’t know my Websleuths password and fear not being able to sign back in if I change it, lol.

Unfortunately, the Idaho Cases of Interest page that appears on my smartphone’s web browser doesn’t list dates and the docs are not searchable, so earlier today, I finally started downloading the court documents to my laptop so I can see the dates and more easily search for information instead of relying solely on my memory.

I was struck by how many documents are uploaded on some days.

For example, on February 24 this year, 34 documents were uploaded!

Three weeks later, on March 17, 31 documents were uploaded, and a week later (on March 24), 30 more docs were uploaded. Most of these docs are meaty, not simply motions and orders to seal or requests for discovery.

I realize this is not surprising to those of you who always view the Idaho Cases of Interest page in a browser on a laptop or desktop computer, but I had no idea.

I wonder if there is strategy behind this document dumping. Once Hippler called for more transparency, did the attorneys want to overwhelm the public with information so we can’t keep up? Feb 24, Mar 17 and Mar 24 were all Mondays, at least, so the media did have the opportunity to chew on the info during the week, but that’s a lot to digest all at once.

I'm the opposite- WS password is inputted on my Laptop, if I use my phone I'll have to change it since I don't remember it.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I'm the opposite- WS password is inputted on my Laptop, if I use my phone I'll have to change it since I don't remember it.

I hear you—Lots of my passwords are created by Google/Chrome and saved on my computer, so I’m stuck using that device for those accounts. I really need to get more tech savvy.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

That's not why I'm here. I'm involved in this case for justice for the victims.

I’m here for that, too, @LinasK. Just look at my username.

I’ve been following this case obsessively, as if my strict attention will ensure the murderer of Maddie, Kaylee, Xana & Ethan won’t get away with it.

And that’s why the justice system needs to be transparent—I have a stake in righting the wrong done to victims, we all do, IMO, and we all need to be able to trust the results.

 

[jepop]

And yet we here on Websleuths are fixated on this terrible man and his terrible crimes. So in a way Bryan Kohberger is “important,” in the same way past criminals are important to our understanding of our species. To fully appreciate goodness and to strive mightily for it, perhaps we have to grapple with and face the simmering human potential for true evil.

IMOO

My main interest centres on the victims and their loved ones feeling that BK has been held fully accountable. It will never be enough but they can hopefully rest a bit easier once that's done. I believe he is responsible and will eventually be convicted ( hopefully before the close of 2025). Jmo he should be in prison and separated from society for the remainder of his life.

On a more academic or sleuthy type level, I'm much more interested in the how of the crimes than the why. I'm looking forward to the prosecution laying out their case as Imo it's pretty clear they have evidence in spades.

I am in no way obsessed with why BK did this, although I do believe in psychologically trying to understand how murderers of this calibre become so, reaching the point where they 'cross the rubicon' as another poster sometimes words it.

But my more removed academic curiosity is mostly reserved for the how, and how the state will lay that out. I'm interested in the routes BK took to and from King Road, the FBI's 'art' of compiling and interpreting surveillance video to track his movements, the cell phone data, if when and where BK disposed of the Kbar, if and how he prepped his car.

I am squeamish but maintain an interest in the crime scene itself, any forensic reconstructions, the order of his movements and of the murders. His previous or build up activity near/ at the house also interests me, whether he surveyed the home from the back wooded area and also if he watched the front windows (the living area, XK's window, the ground floor windows). I know many of these latter questions may go unanswered but am hoping cell phone data, possible witnesses to his car being present at prior times, earlier preserved video footage etc. might provide some partial answers.

We know the discovery in this case is massive and I think the state has a hell of alot! Jmo

 

[Megnut]

AT is doing her job, but she is no dummy. She knows who really did it. JMO

But whaddabout "Bryan Kohberger is innocent"?

The thing. And the other thing that's like the thing. And the seven minutes. Stargazing, no stalking. Driving around, just not over there. Certainly not stopping. And the presumption of privacy and Sy Ray. Shoelaces and upside down 5s. No alibi, no hot toddi.

Big old nothing berger.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Just wanted to make the point when I did my degrees, I took MA exams with 6 or 7 other people. All of us passed but I was the only one approved to move on to the PhD. The kind of problems BK had on his MA thesis or final project would not have ended in an A grade in a top program.

I agree 100%. I think BK was lucky to have even made it through the MA Program at DeSales. His thesis work was a Reddit survey done at the last moment IIRC.

I think he was coddled and pushed through because of 1) COVID Pandemic 2) He somehow gained the favor (or sympathy) of the Professors, both KR and MB. I can see where he would manipulate and come across as deserving extra attention.

BK did not have the actual intelligence to become some super CJ hero IMO. I would bet he came across as a socially awkward, just smart enough student to get by with help from his Professors. His thesis being late and in the format it was, would have definitely been a no go for me.

BK strikes me as one with verbal diarrhea and not enough foundational knowledge of his subject matter. I believe that is part of the reason he was struggling so much at WSU as a TA.

We know he certainly wasn't smart enough to pull off the vicious murders of four lovely, innocent college students. Mistake after mistake has him sitting in jail awaiting a DP trial.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yeah, the cynical side of me thinks she’s angling for access to his parents so she can pick their brains for her next bestseller about their son.

However, according to NewsNation:

I'm not buying what KR is selling period. IMO she sees a golden opportunity for another book or movie/TV deal. Plus, she'd want to jump out in front of any negative blowback.

Her testimony at trial will be interesting to me to say the least. I believe she and MB have been called as witnesses for the Prosecution.

JMO

 

[Justice101]

AT is doing her job, but she is no dummy. She knows who really did it. JMO

Absolutely, shoe knows. But as a part of her professional oath, she puts on blinders and doesn't ask BK specifically if he did it, just asks him what he could think of to refute the state's evidence.

Very tough task for her to defend someone that did it and whom the state has a mountain of evidence to convict.

Other than the victim's families, court delays do not really bother me when the perpetrator is already in jail.

 

[Justice101]

I agree 100%. I think BK was lucky to have even made it through the MA Program at DeSales. His thesis work was a Reddit survey done at the last moment IIRC.

I think he was coddled and pushed through because of 1) COVID Pandemic 2) He somehow gained the favor (or sympathy) of the Professors, both KR and MB. I can see where he would manipulate and come across as deserving extra attention.

BK did not have the actual intelligence to become some super CJ hero IMO. I would bet he came across as a socially awkward, just smart enough student to get by with help from his Professors. His thesis being late and in the format it was, would have definitely been a no go for me.

BK strikes me as one with verbal diarrhea and not enough foundational knowledge of his subject matter. I believe that is part of the reason he was struggling so much at WSU as a TA.

We know he certainly wasn't smart enough to pull off the vicious murders of four lovely, innocent college students. Mistake after mistake has him sitting in jail awaiting a DP trial.

JMO

Don't mean to insult other people by association, but Criminal Justice is not a very challenging field of study. Doesn't get the top students. Generally get the lower third. It's not middle or top tier like engineering, accounting, economics, mathematics, etc.

I can see a "thesis" for masters degree in Criminal Justice being kind of lame. Sorry again, not meant to insult anyone. because there are SMART PEOPLE in every single field... even if the field of study is not challenging. But generally, below average students are going into CJ.

 

[arielilane]

For information purposes only​

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State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger​

Ada County CR01-24-31665

Current Case Summary

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger

6.9.2025

• NewOrder Sealing Order

6.5.2025

• Order

6/18/2025
Hearing Scheduled (12:30 PM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)

7/21/2025
CANCELED Hearing Scheduled (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)
Vacated

7/30/2025
Hearing Scheduled (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)


8/11/2025
Jury Trial (8:30 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I’m not sure if people who grew up with parents who went to college, then went to college themselves, or had parents who are doctors, then too became doctors, can understand how hard it can be to break through to the next level—even if your teachers, your equally-gifted but more privileged peers and their parents are rooting for you and trying to show you the way.

It’s difficult to leave one’s class behind, one’s early experiences and friends behind, and there are just things that are unspoken that you never do figure out.

First generation college students can encounter difficulties but where this situation becomes most difficult is transitioning to graduate study. There are indeed many unspoken things that trip up graduate students. A major theorist in literacy studies sees being "literate" in a context like academia as being fluent in not just reading and writing but in a complex of social norms and patterns--knowing how and when to speak, for example. These norms are linked to behaviors and values that can be invisible to people whose primary "discourse" is different from the academic one.

You say this is such a kind way, that it's "difficult to leave one's class...and early experiences...behind." And that's because joining any new group requires taking on that identity--including ways of speaking, writing, behaving and the underlying values and beliefs. All this to say what I was pondering before, that an online masters program largely pitched to those who were already law enforcement professionals would have been no help at all for BK in preparing for a PhD program at a major university. You can't learn those ways of being online. There may be online PhDs that don't require in-person residency, but good programs do because that's a way to gauge whether someone should enter the profession.

It's probable that even a healthy person from a rural PA background, with an online masters, and no one in the family with a PhD would struggle at some stage of the program. But good social skills and a supportive mentor would have helped. I know this first-hand because I was a working-class student from rural PA in a top PhD program. But I had teaching experience, excellent political skills learned at home, and three amazing mentors. BK's social deficits and know-it-all attitude would have doomed him even if he wasn't a homicidal maniac.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

DBM.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I hear you—Lots of my passwords are created by Google/Chrome and saved on my computer, so I’m stuck using that device for those accounts. I really need to get more tech savvy.

The advantage of Apple is a saved password works on my computer, my iPad and my phone.

 

[Sweeper2000]

so the trial is booked for november? good news.