4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #97

[cherrybier]

In an unlabeled bag, they have to describe it only. It is only named after being tested in the police lab. Marijuana dried in a baggie could look like some herbs, for example.

It could agree, my point is it's not really damning if he had a bag of weed on him.

 

[Nila Aella]

• 11/21/2024 Objection to Amended Petition for Appointment of Special Attorneys General
• 11/21/2024 Order Denying Motion to Strike Defendants Memoranda
• 11/21/2024 States Response to Defendants 19th Supplemental Request for Discovery
• 11/21/2024 States Response to Defendants Sixth Motion to Compel Discovery
• 11/22/2024 Order Re: Franks Motion

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

ETA link

 

[Boxer]

I agree. But we are here to discuss the case right? And if we’re to exclude everything the media reports than we don’t have much to discuss or offer our opinion on.

For me, due process aside (which he deserves and will get)…I think the knife reciept turns a 99.9% case into a 100% case.

If LE does have the receipt, does Kohlberger know where his knife is?

If the answer to that is no, i think it’s even more damning to his case.

- If they have a receipt for a KBar purchase that confirms the knife was sent to BK

- And the medical expert believes it could have been a K-Bar

- and the sheath with Kohlbergers DNA on it belongs to a KBar

- where is his Amazon KBar? Did he lose it? Sell it?

IMO the most obvious answer is he got rid of it. Like any other person who was trying to get away with murder would. Particularly a criminology student who likely had been planning this for at least 9 months (if we’re to assume he purchased the knife).

I bet he found a pretty good spot. IMO

- There was unaccounted for time after the murder. Before phone magically turns on again and he’s seen in Pullman.

- He spent almost the entire next day driving around out of town.

- He spent almost a month in Pullman. And we have no evidence he was under surveillance during his time there.

- He drove 2,500 miles across the country. And though there’s also speculation (like this knife theory) that the FBI trailed him they and local LE have denied it. How many trash barrels at gas stations and restaurants, dumpsters, wooded areas, would he have driven through?

He had plenty of time and thousands of miles to get rid of the knife and murder outfit. That’s the least surprising thing in this case, IMO.

I think it’s tempting to believe that a K-Bar knife purchase and an outfit that matches DMs likely testimony is not damning. But that’s only if you consider it in a vacuum.

With what we know from the PCA and court filings we are being asked to accept WAY too many coincidences.

Datelines reporting came before the release of the warrant. And I just think the dates lining up like that is just wayyyy too big of a coincidence. We’ll find out soon I guess.

MOO

MOO I think he got rid of knife and clothes on way out Moscow. There gap on his way south, 17 minutes I think.

 

[jepop]

• 11/21/2024 Objection to Amended Petition for Appointment of Special Attorneys General
• 11/21/2024 Order Denying Motion to Strike Defendants Memoranda
• 11/21/2024 States Response to Defendants 19th Supplemental Request for Discovery
• 11/21/2024 States Response to Defendants Sixth Motion to Compel Discovery
• 11/22/2024 Order Re: Franks Motion

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

ETA link

Thanks again for posting:the latest. Judge Hippler is very timely.

Bouncing off:

Judge Hippler is totally on top of this case. Utterly impressed with the two orders just issued; the first regarding P motion to strike D's memorandum, the latter re Frank's motion. I love the clarity of reasons given. Moo

Re Franks motion, he's ordered defense to pare it down and get to the point ( in summary) and re-submit by 26 November if they want the court to even consider it. According to Hippler many of the thousands (!) of pages of exhibits are irrelevant and should also be removed from any resubmitted motion. Whoah. Jmo.

Re the over paged memorandum in support of x1 motion to suppress and Franks motion, Hippler acknowledges the State's raising of issue and agrees. However, given the importance of Motions to Suppress is using discretion to allow memoranda (sp?,) to stand as are. But will give State the same leeway in their responses ( due Dec 6th) ie. State can also submit lengthy responses. Judge notes this is a one off and in future parties must adhere to ICRs.
Perfect way to deal with the situation. Moo

I like that judge calls a spade a spade. Some of his comments in Franks order must be quite embarrassing for the defense. Judge is calling it as he sees it and in line with the law. Moo

 

[Swansee]

I think it’s tempting to believe that a K-Bar knife purchase and an outfit that matches DMs likely testimony is not damning. But that’s only if you consider it in a vacuum.

With what we know from the PCA and court filings we are being asked to accept WAY too many coincidences.

Datelines reporting came before the release of the warrant. And I just think the dates lining up like that is just wayyyy too big of a coincidence. We’ll find out soon I guess.

MOO

Hmm, we actually agree on a lot other than that I will believe the Amazon k-bar (and coveralls) purchase when I see that in court documents. Obviously, if he did buy it and it's disappeared, that's going to be a tough one for him to get out of, as I wrote. I guess I didn't write clearly. Or sometimes people read too fast. Happens to me too!
Of course we can all speculate!
For me personally, the recent discovery that the "has anyone else been arrested" statement was actually bogus has put a massive dent in any assumptions I had previously made through media reports. I really did believe that one. Thankfully, the trial is only seven months away now.

I like that judge calls a spade a spade. Some of his comments in Franks order must be quite embarrassing for the defense. Judge is calling it as he sees it and in line with the law. Moo

Maybe this is silly, but I did wonder if the Defense did that on purpose. They've been complaining about receiving massive amounts of unlabeled, disorganized, snowglobe-style discovery. It did cross my mind that maybe their "mistake" was done purposefully, to give the judge a taste of the kind of situation they themselves are in. The judge's reply is almost word for word the kind of complaint AT had been making: there's no way to comb through all this unlabeled stuff in a timely way. JMO and speculation of course!

 

[jepop]

Hmm, we actually agree on a lot other than that I will believe the Amazon k-bar (and coveralls) purchase when I see that in court documents. Obviously, if he did buy it and it's disappeared, that's going to be a tough one for him to get out of, as I wrote. I guess I didn't write clearly. Or sometimes people read too fast. Happens to me too!
Of course we can all speculate!
For me personally, the recent discovery that the "has anyone else been arrested" statement was actually bogus has put a massive dent in any assumptions I had previously made through media reports. I really did believe that one. Thankfully, the trial is only seven months away now.

Maybe this is silly, but I did wonder if the defense did that on purpose. They've been complaining about receiving massive amounts of unlabeled, disorganized, snowglobe-style discovery. It did cross my mind that maybe their "mistake" was done purposefully, to give the judge a taste of the kind of situation they themselves are in. The judge's reply is almost word for word the kind of complaint AT had been making: there's no way to comb through all this unlabeled stuff in a timely way. JMO and speculation of course!

Interesting idea but I highly doubt that. Jmo. We don't actually know anything factual behind the 'he said, she said' out of context moments (yes, moments) witnessed in the occasional hearing. But regardless, why would the defense file an apparently huge, obfuscating motion for franks hearing as some kind of unstated message to the judge about their perceptions of the prosecution? It doesn't really seem at all likely. They can complain directly or in a sealed discovery request and that's likely what they have done (also I believe defense has channelled some complaints directly in unsealed motions as snarky asides at times in the past during JJJ era). Moo and IIRC.

ETA: though agree, Franks motion and its 1000s of pages worth of exhibits was filed that way purposely. Just as a tactic though, not a deliberate 'mistake'. Suppose in this instance D considered ambiguity and a veritable paper storm might fly under the radar and judge might throw up hands and grant the hearing? That's about all I can think of atm to explain it. Tactics are a gamble I guess and now D will need to pivot and resubmit a readable motion, clearly outlying the factual basis for wanting a Franks hearing. All jmo.

 

[cherrybier]

Does anyone else have a bad feeling the trial will be delayed again.

I'll be surprised if it happens in August.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

MOO I think he got rid of knife and clothes on way out Moscow. There gap on his way south, 17 minutes I think.

JMO but I think he had his crime all meticulously planned out (and probably it went badly wrong in the house) -but- disposing of all his clothing, the plastic sheeting, the knife, having a wash down etc was something he'd rehearsed. He'd probably figured out a location, left his fresh clothes in a bag there so they'd not even be cross contaminated. I think he probably burned his things, used an accelerant, had a little fire, maybe then tossed everything in a lake or river. That knife? Where could it be? How far could he get in those 17 minutes?

 

[Boxer]

Does anyone else have a bad feeling the trial will be delayed again.

I'll be surprised if it happens in August.

When guilty and looking at nothing but jail/prison time for the futute delay, delay and delay: witnesses pass away, labs and evidence rooms can flood or burn down erc.

 

[gremlin444]

It almost feels, IMHO, like the defense team still hadn't gotten a grasp on the significant differences between JJJ and Hippler when they submitted the Franks motion. With JJJ, it seemed like they had come to rely on JJJ's tendency to give the defense tons of leeway.

It felt to me like we got a read on Hippler pretty quickly-- that he was the kind of judge to go through every page and footnote, act decisively, and impose and enforce limits. Not the kind of judge you want to submit a Franks motion to that fails to identify where in the in 2000 pages of evidence they are specifically referring to. Give many of his recent written decisions, we see that he is someone who meticulous about "showing and citing your work with specifics"---and expects others to be as well.

Going to be a busy busy weekend for the DT and their clerks trying to get things in order. I hope for their sakes that they have specifics in their own notes that will allow them to go back in and edit in page/line #s.

 

[Tealgrove]

It almost feels, IMHO, like the defense team still hadn't gotten a grasp on the significant differences between J and Hippler when they submitted the Franks motion. With JJJ, it seemed like they had come to rely on JJJ's tendency to give the defense tons of leeway.

It felt to me like we got a read on Hippler pretty quickly that he was the kind of judge to go through every page and footnote, act decisively, and impose and enforce limits. Not the kind of judge you want to submit a Franks motion to that fails to identify where in the in 2000 pages of evidence they are specifically referring to. Give many of his recent written decisions, we see that he is someone who meticulous about "showing and citing your work with specifics"---and expects others to be as well.

Going to be a busy busy weekend for the DT and their clerks trying to get things in order. I hope for their sakes that they have specifics in their own notes that will allow them to go back in and edit in page/line #s.

This could be a case of “careful what you wish for”.

Well, the Defence wanted a change of venue and got it. They got a new Judge to go along with that.

It’ll be interesting going forward.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

It is a joy to read the State's motions and responses and the judge's findings. Proof that a person can say what needs to be said in a page or 8. And not 50, 80, 100.

I have to pack a lunch to get halfway through anything from the Defense.

I like this judge. Terse.

This case needs that.

JMO

 

[Tealgrove]

It is a joy to read the State's motions and responses and the judge's findings. Proof that a person can say what needs to be said in a page or 8. And not 50, 80, 100.

I have to pack a lunch to get halfway through anything from the Defense.

I like this judge. Terse.

This case needs that.

JMO

And certainly not 136/137.

We’ve seen that before.

MOO

 

[al66pine]

Prosecutors in the Bryan Kohberger case on Tuesday asked the court to appoint a new special assistant attorney general.
[Attached Newsweek link]
Bryan Kohberger prosecutors want to add a new lawyer to their team
11/21/2024

• 11/21/2024 Amended Order Appointing Special Assistant Attorneys General

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

@arielilane Thanks for your post w link.

Judge H's order amended Nov. 20 names Dep. AG Jeff Nye and "any other Deputy Attorney Generals selected by the Attorney Generals [sic] Office be appointed as Special Assistant Attorney Generals to assist...."

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR01-24-31665/2024/112124-Order-Amended-Order-Appointing-Special-Assistant-Attorneys-General.pdf

 

[jepop]

Does anyone else have a bad feeling the trial will be delayed again.

I'll be surprised if it happens in August.

Funny, I have the exact opposite feeling at this point. With all the GJ motions, motions to dismiss etc all done last year and Judge Hippler's no boundary busting talents, feeling confident about next August. Barring the unforeseeable. Moo

 

[jepop]

JMO but I think he had his crime all meticulously planned out (and probably it went badly wrong in the house) -but- disposing of all his clothing, the plastic sheeting, the knife, having a wash down etc was something he'd rehearsed. He'd probably figured out a location, left his fresh clothes in a bag there so they'd not even be cross contaminated. I think he probably burned his things, used an accelerant, had a little fire, maybe then tossed everything in a lake or river. That knife? Where could it be? How far could he get in those 17 minutes?

My personal guess is that he got rid of most crime related stuff ( probably including the knife) the day after. That 15 mins of extra time before phone goes on and pings off Blaine tower, could have been taken up driving an off road route between Palouse and highway 95 south of Moscow.

My conjecture is he went west when emerging onto Palouse from Conestoga ( time approx 4.20-4.22am) then took a left at Snow road and doubled back to highway 95. At that point he feels safe enough to turn his phone back on and the time is now approx 4.48am. His phone pings off Blaine tower. Just my speculation.

This way he avoids cameras at intersection of 95 and Palouse and also the business cams in that area. My theory is that he was familiar with the Snow Road option for his exit out of Moscow area and knew the road well.

Also, on the way to Moscow that morning to commit the crime, where phone suddenly stops reporting in Pullman at approx 2.50am, my theory is he switched off and then took a north-easterly route ( north of Moscow -Pullman Rd) to emerge on highway north of Moscow. He then traversed various back roads south to end up on Indian Hills drive at approx 3.26am ( first camera capture).

All above is based on approx times and locations in the PCA. Ditto for speculation below.

During daylight afternoon hours on Sunday 13th Nov, BK was near Snake River south (when he visited Albertsons). Maybe the knife disappeared into it. Or also during darkness between 5.30pm and 8.30pm that night, BK's phone stops connecting for three hours, in the vicinity of Johnston, WA. This is a vast rural area, part of which BK traversed in darkness earlier that day on his route back to Pullman post crime.

Three hours is a lot if time to deal with crime related stuff, maybe even an initial car clean. Moo. Just a few ideas that pop into my head now and then.

 

[cherrybier]

This could be a case of “careful what you wish for”.

Well, the Defence wanted a change of venue and got it. They got a new Judge to go along with that.

It’ll be interesting going forward.

MOO

They must have known the likelihood of JJJ travelling down to Boise was low as well.

I wonder if they knew he was retiring.

 

[cherrybier]

Funny, I have the exact opposite feeling at this point. With all the GJ motions, motions to dismiss etc all done last year and Judge Hippler's no boundary busting talents, feeling confident about next August. Barring the unforeseeable. Moo

I hope so.

I like Judge Hippler, runs a very different court to JJJ, though I liked him as well.

Hippler has never presided over a murder trial iirc, but he doesn't seem phased in the slightest.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Prosecutors in the Bryan Kohberger case on Tuesday asked the court to appoint a new special assistant attorney general.

[Attached Newsweek link]
Bryan Kohberger prosecutors want to add a new lawyer to their team

11/21/2024

• 11/21/2024 Amended Order Appointing Special Assistant Attorneys General

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

Good, they need an additional person to help handle the flood of paperwork from the D. JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

When guilty and looking at nothing but jail/prison time for the futute delay, delay and delay: witnesses pass away, labs and evidence rooms can flood or burn down erc.

I think Judge Hippler is going to keep this trial on track. I see it happening as planned unless something completely out of left field happens.

JMO