4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #97

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Imagine the implications of every state doing that. Temporarily adopting another state's laws and training the police in order to arrest someone from the state they supposedly reside in. Impossible.

Good gracious sakes, what else will she try????
This was not one state agency arresting a suspect in their state. It was a multiagency arrest of a suspect on an arrest warrant from Idaho.

MTS Lamsden

The first question this Court must determine is whether there is a conflict of laws in this matter, i.e., whether Idaho law or Pennsylvanian law controls the validity of the search warrant for Mr. Kohberger’s parents’ home and the necessary relief. Unlike the issue of arrest warrants, cases involving multi-state investigations have produced far less case law. In fact, the Defense could not find a precise case on point for the state of Idaho.

However, it remains to be determined whether the actions of the FBI and Pennsylvania State Troops should be judged by the protections of Article I, Section 17, or its analogues. It is not at all clear that whether a search should be judged by Idaho’s standards of reasonableness, or that of Pennsylvania, or in the case of the FBI agents, by the Fourth Amendment.

Fortunately for this Court, Idaho and Pennsylvania do not differ in their approaches to the enforcement of their Fourth Amendment analog provisions- both do not accept the good faith exception.

Finally, it must be said that there is very little daylight between the Idaho Constitution and the Pennsylvania Constitution. Both apply exclusion to a failure to knock and announce.

If anything, Pennsylvania appears to have stricter warrant requirements for particularity

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court has only found four exigent circumstances permitting police to ignore the knock and announce rule:
1. the occupants remain silent after repeated knocking and announcing;
2. the police are virtually certain that the occupants of the premises already know their purpose;
3. the police have reason to believe that an announcement prior to entry would imperil their safety; [or11]
4. the police have reason to believe that evidence is about to be destroyed. Fn. 11

Even though the exigencies are enumerated with the conjunctive “and,” courts have held that “any one of the instances justifies noncompliance with the knock and announce rule.” Commonwealth v. Piner, 767 A.2d 1057, 1059 n. 1 (Pa.Super.2000) (holding that the second exigency applied because “a uniformed officer stood under a porch light and engaged the attention of at least several occupants with an announcement of his identity, authority, and purpose”).


Idaho’s understanding of the knock and announce rule is set out in Rauch. The Rauch Court did not adopt a test such as that in Pennsylvania but held a case by case analysis must be made. 99Idaho 586, 590 (1978) (citations omitted). The general circumstances which have been found to constitute exigent circumstances are (1) a reasonable belief that compliance with a “knock and announce” statute would result in the destruction of evidence, or (2) a reasonable belief that compliance would place the officer in peril.

Reply to States Objection

First, it appears that the parties are in agreement on much of what law applies to the search of home.

That leaves the issue of how Federal and Pennsylvanian Law Enforcement conducted their raid.


JMO
 
With the considerable discussion of DNA sample methods that might be used reference the BK Idaho case - a related case might be of interest. Former LAPD detective Stephanie Lazarus was convicted of murder in Los Angeles, CA some years back. There is a thread here on the case. And note the methods that police detectives use to retrieve the DNA on one of their own. MOO

Reference NBC 4 Los Angeles online February 10, 2012 article by Jonathan Lloyd entitled ‘Ex-Detective's DNA Matched Bite Mark: Criminalist’:


WS thread the Sherri Rasmussen case:

Thread 'CA - Sherri Rasmussen, 29, murdered in her Los Angeles home, 24 Feb 1986'
GUILTY - CA - Sherri Rasmussen, 29, murdered in her Los Angeles home, 24 Feb 1986
 
Imagine the implications of every state doing that. Temporarily adopting another state's laws and training the police in order to arrest someone from the state they supposedly reside in. Impossible.

Good gracious sakes, what else will she try????
Yes, it's confusing, what is meant by that snippet in Logsdon's summary and commentary jmo.

ETA In all unsealed P replies to Motions to Suppress is this phrase:

"Regarding the Defendant's represented "FACTS," and as opposed to relying on Defendant's subjective summary and interpretation, the State respectfully refers the Court to..." (And quotes relevant exhibits).
 
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Timeline question:

Did LE get BK's DNA sample from the trashcan, and confirmed he was a match... before they arrested him that early morning?
27th Dec 2022, FBI collected trash from PA residence. 28th Dec, ISL tested DNA from trash and compared with sheathe sample. Result showed the donor of trash DNA was father ( statistically) of the person who left the DNA on sheathe. Trash DNA was BK's father. This was included in PCA (p18)for BK's arrest warrant issued on 29th Dec 2022.
 
While the FBI was observing BK, he put some trash in the neighbor's trash can. The article below says BK did that in the days leading up to his arrest. I wonder why LE didn't simply take that trash and test it for DNA as opposed to this convoluted route involving taking BK's father's DNA on trash from his own home?

 
While the FBI was observing BK, he put some trash in the neighbor's trash can. The article below says BK did that in the days leading up to his arrest. I wonder why LE didn't simply take that trash and test it for DNA as opposed to this convoluted route involving taking BK's father's DNA on trash from his own home?

A convoluted route made no logical sense, so I looked it up. They did exactly what you’d expect:

In one instance prior to Kohberger’s arrest, authorities observed him leaving his family home around 4 a.m. and putting trash bags in the neighbors’ garbage bins, according to the source. At that point, agents recovered garbage from the Kohberger family’s trash bins and what was observed being placed into the neighbors’ bins, the source said.

The recovered items were sent to the Idaho State Lab, per the source.

 
A convoluted route made no logical sense, so I looked it up. They did exactly what you’d expect:

In one instance prior to Kohberger’s arrest, authorities observed him leaving his family home around 4 a.m. and putting trash bags in the neighbors’ garbage bins, according to the source. At that point, agents recovered garbage from the Kohberger family’s trash bins and what was observed being placed into the neighbors’ bins, the source said.

The recovered items were sent to the Idaho State Lab, per the source.

Thanks for looking this up - it's so hard to know if the information is correct with an unnamed source.
 
Thanks for looking this up - it's so hard to know if the information is correct with an unnamed source.
It’s John Miller’s reporting. You could bet your life on it. No one in law enforcement has his sources.

Besides that, common sense says they took and tested everything.
 
A convoluted route made no logical sense, so I looked it up. They did exactly what you’d expect:

In one instance prior to Kohberger’s arrest, authorities observed him leaving his family home around 4 a.m. and putting trash bags in the neighbors’ garbage bins, according to the source. At that point, agents recovered garbage from the Kohberger family’s trash bins and what was observed being placed into the neighbors’ bins, the source said.

The recovered items were sent to the Idaho State Lab, per the source.

Yes, I think original plan/ hope would have been to extract a DNA profile from the trash that was a direct match to the sheathe. To this end, ofcourse fbi would have taken what they saw the suspect dispose of surreptitiously, in addition to the PA household curb bin. And obviously to see what in heck it was he was disposing of. He was suspected of murder x4, anything he's seen chucking in such a manner is going to be scooped up by an FBI agent even if only moderately competent, surely?

Jmo but obviously ISL were unable to extract a profile from any of the trash that matched the sheathe directly. However the profile they did extract showing the trash DNA donor was extremely likely to be the father of the sheathe DNA donor did the job almost as well and was sufficient for the arrest affidavit. As soon as BK was apprehended in PA he was buccal swabbed and again back in ID. The swab profile matched the sheathe profile directly.

Moo
 
A convoluted route made no logical sense, so I looked it up. They did exactly what you’d expect:

In one instance prior to Kohberger’s arrest, authorities observed him leaving his family home around 4 a.m. and putting trash bags in the neighbors’ garbage bins, according to the source. At that point, agents recovered garbage from the Kohberger family’s trash bins and what was observed being placed into the neighbors’ bins, the source said.

The recovered items were sent to the Idaho State Lab, per the source.

It’s John Miller’s reporting. You could bet your life on it. No one in law enforcement has his sources.

Besides that, common sense says they took and tested everything.
The implication was that BK was throwing the trash in the neighbors bin to hide his DNA. If they took the trash from the neighbors bin and testing everything, how come there was no BK DNA?
JMO
 
The implication was that BK was throwing the trash in the neighbors bin to hide his DNA. If they took the trash from the neighbors bin and testing everything, how come there was no BK DNA?
JMO
Who’s to say there wasn’t? As soon as they got a familial match, they were ready to move. I don’t believe we heard anything about later results.
 
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