4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[ChatteringBirds]

This tragedy seems to be breaking news:

Police said they responded to King Road for a report of an unconscious person. When officers arrived, they “discovered four individuals who were deceased...”

4 Idaho college students killed in 'targeted attack,' no suspects in custody

Four University of Idaho students were found dead on Sunday, officials said.

abcnews.go.com

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Probable Cause Affidavit

Press photo album (compilation courtesy of WS member cujenn81)

Moscow ID Police Department Facebook page

City of Moscow re King Road Homicide

Media Guide to the Idaho Courts

Detectives are looking to develop context for the events and people involved in the four murders at 1122 King Rd in Moscow, Idaho. Anyone who observed notable behavior, has video surveillance, or can provide relevant information about these murders:

• Telephone: 208-883-7180
• Email: [email protected]
• Digital Media: fbi.gov/moscowidaho

 

[Knitty]

Please continue here.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Court documents filed by the defense before the New Year claim investigators “had to destroy the house to save the car, or some other evidence, from Mr. Kohberger’s rubber gloves.”

Other recent filings list a variety of complaints related to how investigators obtained evidence from online accounts — including the suspect’s Apple iCloud, Google, and Amazon accounts.

Bryan Kohberger's defense calls for prosecutors to be sanctioned

Bryan Kohberger's defense contends that prosecutors failed to disclose appropriate information about the experts to be called.

www.courttv.com

 

[Nila Aella]

Case Summary additions

01/06/2025 Order Modifying / Amending No Contact Order
01/06/2025 Order Modifying / Amending No Contact Order
01/06/2025 Order Modifying / Amending No Contact Order
01/06/2025 Order Modifying / Amending No Contact Order
01/06/2025 Order Sealing Defendant's Replies to the State's Objections to Franks and IGG 01/07/2025 Affidavit / Return of Service Proof of Service NCO
01/07/2025 No Contact Order Proof of Service NCO

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR01-24-31665/Summary/Case-Summary-Kohberger-01072025.pdf

 

[Nila Aella]

• 01/08/2025 Order Sealing Defendants Amended Memorandum (Franks Hearing)
• 01/08/2025 Order Sealing States Objection (Genetic Information)
• 01/08/2025 Order Sealing States Objection (119 Lamsden)
• 01/08/2025 Order Sealing States Objection (Amazon)
• 01/08/2025 Order Sealing States Objection (Google)
• 01/08/2025 Order Sealing Exhibits to States Objection (Apple)
• 01/08/2025 Order Sealing Exhibits to States Objection (AT&T)
• 01/08/2025 Order Sealing Exhibits to States Objection (Pen Trap and Trace)
• 01/08/2025 Order Sealing Exhibits to States Objection (Mr Kohberger)
• 01/08/2025 Order Sealing Exhibits to States Objection (Apartment)
• 01/08/2025 Order Sealing States Supplemental Response to Request for Discovery Regarding Expert Testimony
• 01/08/2025 Order Sealing Exhibit to States Objection to Defendants Motion to Compel
• 01/08/2025 Order Sealing States Objection and Exhibits (Franks Hearing)
• 01/08/2025 Order Sealing Exhibit A to Defendants Motion to Compel

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[Justice101]

Sorry for forgetting, but when is the expected trial date? This year?

 

[SpiderFalcon]

Sorry for forgetting, but when is the expected trial date? This year?

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR01-24-31665/Summary/Case-Summary-Kohberger-01082025.pdf

 

[arielilane]

In order to prepare for motions hearing scheduled 1/23/2025 :

1. The Defendant shall disclose its witnesses, exhibits and expert opinions (if applicable) to the Court and State by 1/9/2025.
2. The State shall disclose its witnesses, exhibits and expert opinions (if applicable) to the Court and Defense by 1/16/2025.
3. The Defendant shall disclose any rebuttal disclosures to the Court and State by 1/21/2025.

• 01/06/2025 Scheduling Order for ICR 12 Motions

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

 

[Nila Aella]

Something I haven't seen previously
All three Defense Attorneys signed the MTC material and Sanctions

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR01-24-31665/2024/122724-Motion-Compel-ICT-16b7-Material-Sanctions.pdf

 

[Nila Aella]

Case summary page

01/07/2025 Motion to Redact or Seal Newly Filed Records Stipulated Motion to Seal State's Amended Expert Disclosure RE: Lawrence Mowery (S-10)
01/07/2025 Subject Document-Motion to Redact or Seal Newly Filed Record Sealed Amended Expert Disclosure RE: Lawrence Mowery (S-10)
01/07/2025 Subject Document-Motion to Redact or Seal Newly Filed Record Amended Exhibit s-10 Lawrence Mowery
01/07/2025 Reply Reply to State's Objection to Defendant's Motion to Compel ICR 16(b)(7) Material and for Sanctions
01/07/2025 Subject Document-Motion to Redact or Seal Newly Filed Record Exhibit B - Defendant's Reply to State's Objection to Motion to Compel 16(b)(7)
01/07/2025 Motion to Redact or Seal Newly Filed Records Stipulated Motion to Seal Exhibit B to Defendant's Reply to State's Objection to Motion to Compel ICR 16(b)(7) Material and for Sanctions
01/07/2025 Motion Motion to Extend Time to Disclose Defendant's Guilt Phase Experts 01/08/2025 Order Sealing Defendant's Memorandum and Exhibits in Support of Franks Hearing
01/08/2025 Order Sealing State's Objection and Exhibits to Defendant's Amended Motion and Memorandum in Support for Franks Hearing
01/08/2025 Order Sealing State's Objection and Exhibit to Defendant's Motion to Suppress Re: Genetic Information
01/08/2025 Order Sealing State's Objection and Exhibits to Defendant's Motion to Suppress and Memorandum in Support Re: Pennsylvania Search Warrant for 119 Lamsden Drive, Albrightsville, PA and Statements Made
01/08/2025 Order Sealing State's Objection and Exhibits to Defendant's Motion to Suppress and Memorandum in Support Re: Amazon Account Federal Grand Jury Subpoena and Warrants Dated April 26, 2023 and May 8, 2023
01/08/2025 Order Sealing State's Objection to Defendant's Motion to Suppress and Memorandum in Support Re: Google Warrants Dated 1-3-23, 1-24-23, and 2-24-23 01/08/2025 Order Sealing Exhibits to State's Objection to Defendant's Motion to Suppress and Memorandum in Support Re: Apple Account Federal Grand Jury Subpoena and Warrant Dated August 1, 2023
01/08/2025 Order Sealing Exhibits to State's Objection to Defendant's Motion to Suppress and Memorandum in Support Re: AT&T First Warrant
01/08/2025 Order Sealing Exhibits to State's Objection to Defendant's Motion to Suppress and Memorandum in Support Re: Search Warrant for Mr. Kohberger's Person 01/08/2025 Order Sealing Exhibits to State's Objection to Defendant's Motion to Suppress and Memorandum in Support Re: Search Warrant for Defendant's Apartment 01/08/2025 Order Sealing State's Supplemental Response to Request for Discovery Regarding Expert Testimony
01/08/2025 Order Sealing Exhibit to State's Objection to Defendant's Motion to Compel ICR 16(b)(7) Material and for Sanctions
01/08/2025 Order to Seal Exhibit A to Defendant's Motion to Compel 16(b)(7) Order Sealing Exhibits to State's Objection to Defendant's Motion to Suppress and Memorandum in Support Re: Pen Trap and Trace Device
01/23/2025 Motion Hearing (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR01-24-31665/Summary/Case-Summary-Kohberger-01082025.pdf

 

[Nila Aella]

• 12/31/2025 Reply to States Objection to Defendants Motion to Compel ICR 16b7 Material and for Sanctions
• 12/31/2025 Response to Defendants 21st Supplemental Request for Discovery
• 01/02/2025 Stipulated Motion to Seal Exhibit A
• 01/02/2025 Stipulated Motion to Seal Exhibit to States Objection
• 01/03/2025 Subpoena Issued
• 01/07/2025 Stipulated Motion to Seal States Amended Expert Disclosure
• 01/07/2025 Motion to Extend Time to Disclose Defendants Guilt Phase Experts
• 01/07/2025 Objection to Defendants Motion to Compel ICR 16b7 Material and for Sanctions
• 01/07/2025 Stipulated Motion to Seal Exhibit B

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

 

[PinkParis2052]

• 12/31/2025 Reply to States Objection to Defendants Motion to Compel ICR 16b7 Material and for Sanctions
• 12/31/2025 Response to Defendants 21st Supplemental Request for Discovery
• 01/02/2025 Stipulated Motion to Seal Exhibit A
• 01/02/2025 Stipulated Motion to Seal Exhibit to States Objection
• 01/03/2025 Subpoena Issued
• 01/07/2025 Stipulated Motion to Seal States Amended Expert Disclosure
• 01/07/2025 Motion to Extend Time to Disclose Defendants Guilt Phase Experts
• 01/07/2025 Objection to Defendants Motion to Compel ICR 16b7 Material and for Sanctions
• 01/07/2025 Stipulated Motion to Seal Exhibit B

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

These two uploads should have been 12/31/2024 instead of 12/31/2025
Hopefully the courthouse will correct that soon.

 

[jepop]

View attachment 556677
These two uploads should have been 12/31/2024 instead of 12/31/2025
Hopefully the courthouse will correct that soon.

Objection to D's Motion to Compel and Sanctions, and Defendant's Reply to the Objection are also mislabeled. The objection as labelled is the D's Reply and the Reply as labelled is the P's objection.

 

[Justice101]

still following...

IF, and I say ONLY IF.... this goes to trial, what do you think will be the MAIN strategy of the defense?

1) Blame the police/FBI for (supposedly) sloppy evidence gathering.
2) Attack the way BK was identified thru IGG methods used and that LE singled him out while excluding all other suspects.
3) Argue that the DNA evidence was from him touching the sheath somewhere else earlier and otherwise the prosecution has no case at all. The car and phone data means nothing and could be anyone.
4) Argue no one person could have killed all those in that short amount of time.
5) Some other theory of defense?

Personally, I think there is almost no chance any of this would work because juries are generally down to earth realists who are not swayed by big claims that can't be backed up... but what do you think?

 

[Balthazar]

still following...

IF, and I say ONLY IF.... this goes to trial, what do you think will be the MAIN strategy of the defense?

1) Blame the police/FBI for (supposedly) sloppy evidence gathering.
2) Attack the way BK was identified thru IGG methods used and that LE singled him out while excluding all other suspects.
3) Argue that the DNA evidence was from him touching the sheath somewhere else earlier and otherwise the prosecution has no case at all. The car and phone data means nothing and could be anyone.
4) Argue no one person could have killed all those in that short amount of time.
5) Some other theory of defense?

Personally, I think there is almost no chance any of this would work because juries are generally down to earth realists who are not swayed by big claims that can't be backed up... but what do you think?

An alternative suspect case is known to be one of the most powerful ways to get a jury to vote for acquittal providing the defense attorney can make sense of what happened including all of the evidence.

There have been studies of the effect of such a defense.
"Participants in all TODDI versions, in which there was an alternative suspect, still believed that the defendant seemed guiltier than any one of the alternative suspects. That is, the TODDI story was never better than the prosecution’s story. Yet, adding one TODDI story decreased the number of participants who rendered guilty verdicts from 73% to 35%, and ratings of the likelihood that the defendant committed the crime decreased as well. Adding the second and third TODDI stories was not statistically significantly better than employing a single TODDI story (although all measures of guilt did decline slightly)."

"The results of the current experiment suggest that in court, the addition of one or more alternative suspects would decrease jurors’ belief in the defendant’s guilt, even when the alternative suspect is not actually believed to be the culprit. (See Tenney, Cleary, & Spellman (2009) for more study details.)"

“This Other Dude Did It!” A Test of the Alternative Explanation Defense

How does a criminal defense attorney argue for a Not Guilty verdict? One strategy is simply to argue that the state’s case is incomplete and has not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt; no more is required. Another strategy is to provide alternative explanations of each piece of evidence...

thejuryexpert.com

This is a case where there seems to be a big giant black hole between the time BK's phone was in Pullman to where it was near Genesee after the murders. There does not seem to be a victim identification of BK or any eye witness, video or anything else to place him in Moscow. So, IMO, this is a case where an alternate suspect case could work very well.

I also think that the defense will hit on your 1 - 4 issues as well and the fact that the political pressure was on to make a fast arrest due to UofI Moscow turning into a ghost town in the wake of the murders.

All JMO.

 

[mmeynstyn]

still following...

IF, and I say ONLY IF.... this goes to trial, what do you think will be the MAIN strategy of the defense?

1) Blame the police/FBI for (supposedly) sloppy evidence gathering.
2) Attack the way BK was identified thru IGG methods used and that LE singled him out while excluding all other suspects.
3) Argue that the DNA evidence was from him touching the sheath somewhere else earlier and otherwise the prosecution has no case at all. The car and phone data means nothing and could be anyone.
4) Argue no one person could have killed all those in that short amount of time.
5) Some other theory of defense?

Personally, I think there is almost no chance any of this would work because juries are generally down to earth realists who are not swayed by big claims that can't be backed up... but what do you think?

All the above.

 

[Sundog]

still following...

IF, and I say ONLY IF.... this goes to trial, what do you think will be the MAIN strategy of the defense?

1) Blame the police/FBI for (supposedly) sloppy evidence gathering.
2) Attack the way BK was identified thru IGG methods used and that LE singled him out while excluding all other suspects.
3) Argue that the DNA evidence was from him touching the sheath somewhere else earlier and otherwise the prosecution has no case at all. The car and phone data means nothing and could be anyone.
4) Argue no one person could have killed all those in that short amount of time.
5) Some other theory of defense?

Personally, I think there is almost no chance any of this would work because juries are generally down to earth realists who are not swayed by big claims that can't be backed up... but what do you think?

I think #2 will be big for the defense and that AT plans to take this all the way to the Supreme Court.

 

[snooptroop88]

still following...

IF, and I say ONLY IF.... this goes to trial, what do you think will be the MAIN strategy of the defense?

1) Blame the police/FBI for (supposedly) sloppy evidence gathering.
2) Attack the way BK was identified thru IGG methods used and that LE singled him out while excluding all other suspects.
3) Argue that the DNA evidence was from him touching the sheath somewhere else earlier and otherwise the prosecution has no case at all. The car and phone data means nothing and could be anyone.
4) Argue no one person could have killed all those in that short amount of time.
5) Some other theory of defense?

Personally, I think there is almost no chance any of this would work because juries are generally down to earth realists who are not swayed by big claims that can't be backed up... but what do you think?

First three, singled out/out to "get" poor stargazing BK.

 

[Swansee]

First three, singled out/out to "get" poor stargazing BK.

Yes.
I think the Defense will make an effort to dismantle everything the State presents, but the top three are the ones I feel they've given us the most clues that they will pursue.
But there's so much we haven't seen, so perhaps a TODDI might get thrown in there too, as @Balthazar suggests.

IF, and I say ONLY IF.... this goes to trial, what do you think will be the MAIN strategy of the defense?

Just curious, why wouldn't it?
Do you think a plea bargain will happen before the trial? It looks to me rather like what @Sundog wrote: the Defense will take this all the way to the very top.
JMO

 

[mrjitty]

What alternate suspect will the defence present?

is there anyone specific or are we just talking generic SODDI