4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[INfisherman]

Agreed. Let's just throw stuff at the wall, and see if anything sticks.

But if it’s "Bryan’s" DNA stuck to the wall & used as evidence, that’s a violation of his constitutional rights.

 

[SpiderFalcon]

I missed this part.

That's important though. I always assumed she had been drinking, as that would explain her response that night. It actually makes her look a lot better.

It make AT look like what she is tho, and it infuriated me.

 

[SpiderFalcon]

I also just noticed, why doesn't BK have a tie on? Or am I just not seeing it?

 

[jepop]

Asking artfully, this speaker for the Prosecution, is she green? Nervous and unnecessarily defensive.... just wondering if she hasvhad a lot of experience and if maybe she was given this opportunity in order TO gain experience?

Her arguments are solid.

JMO

That's Ashley Jennings, Deputy Prosecuting Attorney. She's been there from the get go, always beside BT.

Has spoken in motions before. IIRC she did a stellar job in MTC x4, late May 2024. I like her because she is clear, thorough and prepared and also capable of responding to the unexpected from judge in a logical and clear manner. I like her style.

 

[AcousticViper]

I always assumed she had been drinking, as that would explain her response that night. It actually makes her look a lot better.

AT, by pushing so many chips on a Franks hearing, gave valuable insight into her strategy at trial. Not that attacking the surviving roommates wasn't unforeseeable.

 

[Megnut]

That's Ashley Jennings, Deputy Prosecuting Attorney. She's been there from the get go, always besides BT.

Has spoken in motions before. IIRC she did a stellar job in MTC x4, late May 2024. I like her because she is clear, thorough and prepared and also capable of responding to the unexpected from judge in a logical and clear manner. I like her style.

I don't know why that slipped my mind. Maybe what I mistook for novice nerves was seasoned exasperation.

ATEOTD, I can't blame her for that.

JMO

 

[DizzyB]

I did go down the rabbithole of MyHeritage. It appears that the defendant does not have standing. My Heritage could sue the FBI for using their database, but it still will not suppress the evidence. It wasn’t BK’s DNA they found in that database.

 

[LinasK]

Defense claiming that no DNA in the car after it was completely taken apart means that there's no probable cause here. Judge pointing to other evidence, and the possibility that he covered himself in protective clothing and put it in a bag on the way out.

That latter theory is apparently in one of the affidavits. I like that one a lot.

This judge gets it: Cleanup doesn't mean lack of evidence. Many of us get that from watching True crime shows.

 

[MassGuy]

This judge gets it: Cleanup doesn't mean lack of evidence. Many of us get that from watching True crime shows.

Yeah, especially when you're talking about a crime with this level of planning. He designed it so cleanup probably wasn't even necessary, but he apparently took measures to do that anyway (when surveillance teams saw him cleaning his car).

 

[Sundog]

IDK, but I wish AT hadn't brought up A LIVING VICTIM, and her interview, and throwing in that "she had too much to drink" SHAME ON HER. SHAME. ON. HER.

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Since Attorney AT was reading from the witness's statement to LE, I think it was appropriate to state that the witness, herself, claimed she had been drinking and so maybe was dreaming, she wasn't sure if what she experienced was real or if her mind was playing games with her. The witness, herself, questioned her mental state, not AT. The defense attorney was reading from the witness's own statement about her uncertainty about what she saw, heard.

I think that's fair game for a defense attorney and not shameful, especially when using the witness's own words.

 

[SpiderFalcon]

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Since Attorney AT was reading from the witness's statement to LE, I think it was appropriate to state that the witness, herself, claimed she had been drinking and so maybe was dreaming, she wasn't sure if what she experienced was real or if her mind was playing games with her. The witness, herself, questioned her mental state, not AT. The defense attorney was reading from the witness's own statement about her uncertainty about what she saw, heard.

I think that's fair game for a defense attorney and not shameful, especially when using the witness's own words.

I don't disagree, and think eventually, we would have heard all of it. BUT NOT AT THIS HEARING.

 

[jepop]

I did go down the rabbithole of MyHeritage. It appears that the defendant does not have standing. My Heritage could sue the FBI for using their database, but it still will not suppress the evidence. It wasn’t BK’s DNA they found in that database.

I always figured it most likely the convo with the neighbour, reported by msm, was unclear and the media just made a whole lot of assumptions. I never believed BK submitted his dna to an IGG provider. I guess also possible BK could have made up a story for the neighbour. Or possibly the neighbour misconstrued the convo or even made it up. Jmo

 

[gremlin444]

So did someone catch where AT said that BK was in Moscow at the time but not in the region of the house?

My friend who watched also heard that there was unknown male blood b on the handrail and unknown male blood d on a glove outside of the house.

I'm assuming that means there was male blood A and C found that were able to be identified.

 

[jepop]

So did someone catch where AT said that BK was in Moscow at the time but not in the region of the house?

My friend who watched also heard that there was unknown male blood b on the handrail and unknown male blood d on a glove outside of the house.

I'm assuming that means there was male blood A and C found that were able to be identified.

Ashley J/prosecution didn't respond to that substantively, though maybe I missed it? I believe because they deemed it unnecessary, moo. I think we'll find out in due course that the blood was so degraded and aged that as we already know, the DNA extracted from it didn't qualify for CODIS upload. That is my guess/speculation.

Also noting, the inside, unknown male profile was on the hand rail ( of the stairs I'm guessing jmo) so not what you would call in proximity to the victims. If railing does refer to stair railing makes perfect sense that forensics swabbed there. Jmo

 

[GoJacks]

So far Im certainly enjoying this judge over judge judge.

I don't have an issue with AT, just doing her job. Honestly, that's good for when/if he is found guilty. One less thing to blame.

Anyway, can't wait till August.

 

[MassGuy]

Ashley J/prosecution didn't respond to that substantively, though maybe I missed it? I believe because they deemed it unnecessary, moo. I think we'll find out in due course that the blood was so degraded and aged that as we already know, the DNA extracted from it didn't qualify for CODIS upload. That is my guess/speculation.

Also noting, the inside, unknown male profile was on the hand rail ( of the stairs I'm guessing jmo) so not what you would call in proximity to the victims. If railing does refer to stair railing makes perfect sense that forensics swabbed there. Jmo

Did they say if it was blood, or just DNA? There’s confusion in some parts.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

So far Im certainly enjoying this judge over judge judge.

I don't have an issue with AT, just doing her job. Honestly, that's good for when/if he is found guilty. One less thing to blame.

Anyway, can't wait till August.

True.
Watch out what you wish for. AT wanted a change of venue, and for that she now has what appears to be a stricter judge.

But honestly, although I couldn't watch the whole hearing, from what I saw, I think she's sinking her own case. Not so impressed with her now.

 

[jepop]

Did they say if it was blood, or just DNA? There’s confusion in some parts.

Pretty sure AT referred to blood on a hand rail and on glove outside. I'm sure this must correspond to the unknown male DNA found in house and on glove outside, referenced in MTC x3, ie the unknown DNA profiles which did not qualify for codis. If so I will guess that the blood itself is of no real significance, because not specified as source of DNA in MTC x3 item. However, in a public hearing was mentioned because it is just the sort of thing that social media will take to like fish to water. Jury pool tainting. Moo

 

[jepop]

True.
Watch out what you wish for. AT wanted a change of venue, and for that she now has what appears to be a stricter judge.

But honestly, although I couldn't watch the whole hearing, from what I saw, I think she's sinking her own case. Not so impressed with her now.

She wanted the venue change, but think/guessing, the judge change took her off guard.

 

[Kemug]

I'm wondering how long before BK elbows AT aside, and says "Step aside lady, I'll take it from here".