4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[StarryStarryNight]

AT actually said her client was in the murder house and left his DNA on a sheath under a murder victim?

Dozens and/or hundreds of DNA is collected from crime scenes. AT did not complain DNA was found in some other places like on a glove outside or on a cigarette.

If DNA can't be collected then next it will be fingerprints. Then Blood, semen, fibers, hairs, sweat, spit, footprints, vomit, urine, finger nails, and on and on.

No offense to you Starry but this is all poppycock. Absolutely ridiculous nonsense. Just throw out all the criminals onto the streets because now they have to have their convictions over turned.

Investigations are not allowed in the USA.

2 Cents

I don’t have any idea what you are talking about.
Are you dismissing my argument?
Dismissing me?
Dismissing the defense team, criminal investigations, state of the world in general?
Whichever is fine, I just need to understand so I will know if I should be outraged and offended for about 45 seconds or so.

 

[Rosydecember]

I don’t have any idea what you are talking about.
Are you dismissing my argument?
Dismissing me?
Dismissing the defense team, criminal investigations, state of the world in general?
Whichever is fine, I just need to understand so I will know if I should be outraged and offended for about 45 seconds or so.

Not OP but I don’t think you were being dismissed… no need to be outraged for 45 seconds if I understood both sides correctly LOL

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Not OP but I don’t think you were being dismissed… no need to be outraged for 45 seconds if I understood both sides correctly LOL

My thoughts too. Just making sure. Example of my often misunderstood humor.
Didn’t want to miss a good stomping around the house if one was called for.
Me and Cool Cats, we’re cool.

 

[detectivewannab]

Laughable!!!!

Driving around late at night looking for victims.

 

[MassGuy]

If BK’s alibi is taking pictures of the stars, then where are the pictures? Did they even take a camera from his house in the warrant, or would they be on his phone? Pictures are time stamped. It’s easy to supply an image of the stars at 3-5am IF they exist. Where are the pictures?

Obviously we don’t know the answers, I just wonder if there will be any proof of this alibi during the trial.

Moo.

There will be no such evidence; I'd bet the farm on that. We'd know.

 

[Balthazar]

DM and BF were back at home by 10 pm. Even if they had been drinking, they would have had approx 5-6 hours of time in which to sober up. 1 drink metabolized per hour, so I think it's safe to say they weren't falling down drunk and incoherent like the Defense would like to have you to believe.

JMO

DM told LE that she was drunk/having problems with her memory/didn't know if what she saw was real or if it was a dream. This is NOT the contention of the defense at all. This is DM's own testimony to police repeated in multiple LE interviews.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Goncalves voiced concerns about the public's limited access to case details, noting that he believes approximately 90% of the case remains sealed.

"I feel like anything the jury's going to see in that courtroom, we should all see. You shouldn't run from the truth. You shouldn't hide the truth, even if it makes somebody a little guilty," he said. "So that part of the still work to be done. We need to get to a point where we say, if the evidence is all agreed upon, the facts are the facts, then it's not going to contaminate a jury."

'You shouldn't run from the truth': Father of Idaho murders victim speaks out ahead of trial

Steve Goncalves, father of victim Kaylee Goncalves, expressed cautious optimism about the legal proceedings while emphasizing the importance of justice.

www.ktvb.com

This strikes me as nuts. If he wants a conviction for his daughter's murder, he should wait for the trial. We don't do trial by social media and cable and YouTube.

 

[mickey2942]

BK's defense of "stargazing" reminds me of "Stargazy Pie".

Stargazy pie - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[mickey2942]

DM told LE that she was drunk/having problems with her memory/didn't know if what she saw was real or if it was a dream. This is NOT the contention of the defense at all. This is DM's own testimony to police repeated in multiple LE interviews.

I would not discount anything she says, even if she was a bit sleepy or drunk. After all, she did hear something, see something, and something did happen.

So, let the jury hear the information and make their own conclusions.

 

[Boxer]

DM told LE that she was drunk/having problems with her memory/didn't know if what she saw was real or if it was a dream. This is NOT the contention of the defense at all. This is DM's own testimony to police repeated in multiple LE interviews.

Well - AT is going to try and destroy evidence, and witnesses. So i think the jury will understand the defense is doing that.
Her sighting was confirmed by latent footprints.

 

[Boxer]

Goncalves voiced concerns about the public's limited access to case details, noting that he believes approximately 90% of the case remains sealed.

"I feel like anything the jury's going to see in that courtroom, we should all see. You shouldn't run from the truth. You shouldn't hide the truth, even if it makes somebody a little guilty," he said. "So that part of the still work to be done. We need to get to a point where we say, if the evidence is all agreed upon, the facts are the facts, then it's not going to contaminate a jury."

'You shouldn't run from the truth': Father of Idaho murders victim speaks out ahead of trial

Steve Goncalves, father of victim Kaylee Goncalves, expressed cautious optimism about the legal proceedings while emphasizing the importance of justice.

www.ktvb.com

He is dangerous to his daughters justice.

The media does not have the power to lock someone up, only the court does.

The media can present facts, but only the verdict of jurors who are literally the "tryors of fact" make those facts legally true and from their verdict the court can order law enforcement to imprison a defendant who is convicted.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

DM told LE that she was drunk/having problems with her memory/didn't know if what she saw was real or if it was a dream. This is NOT the contention of the defense at all. This is DM's own testimony to police repeated in multiple LE interviews.

True. She certainly recognized she was intoxicated.
It altered how she saw things, but not what she saw.
The fact that she recalled these things, fuzzy or not, the day after a quadruple murder took place in that very house means something.

 

[Swansee]

One of the most surprising new elements we learned at the hearing was the new info about the unknown male DNA's.
My jaw dropped when it was revealed that there were two unknown male blood DNA samples. One on the handrail in the stairs and one on the glove outside.
This is incredibly relevant and upsetting IMO.

 

[MassGuy]

One of the most surprising new elements we learned at the hearing was the new info about the unknown male DNA's.
My jaw dropped when it was revealed that there were two unknown male blood DNA samples. One on the handrail in the stairs and one on the glove outside.
This is incredibly relevant and upsetting IMO.

How is that in any way upsetting?

It's not like they didn't look into that. Neither of those things is unexpected, and blood evidence from any potential killer was not found outside of that. If there's blood on the handrail from the murder, then there should be blood in lots of other places too. It doesn't exist, because it wasn't from the murders.

I remember the blood evidence in the Kelsey Berreth murder. There was unknown blood found at the murder scene, and investigators were ultimately able to determine it came from the previous homeowner.

 

[browneyes]

Will the roommate who saw BK that night testify? Sorry if it’s been discussed.

 

[pseudo_hum]

Regarding any updated state of affairs; We do not know if phone off and then on again evidence exists during any of BK's prior visits, nor whether the D and P differ on expert interpretation of the final CAST report. AJ mentioned that the P differs with the D on a factual basis for some of the pre crime cell phone evidence,

Snipped for focus:

IMO, the car being driven in the GH video, which choreographed the time and images of the car, was being driven by an individual who was familiar with the streets and homes/apartments in the area. It’s not by chance where the individual decided to park. All the evidence is pointing towards the person sitting in jail. IMO.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Will the roommate who saw BK that night testify? Sorry if it’s been discussed.

I can't imagine why she wouldn't. She can establish that a man with some of BK's characteristics was in the building at the time of the murders.

 

[Boxer]

One of the most surprising new elements we learned at the hearing was the new info about the unknown male DNA's.
My jaw dropped when it was revealed that there were two unknown male blood DNA samples. One on the handrail in the stairs and one on the glove outside.
This is incredibly relevant and upsetting IMO.

Why?
It's a party house, not the house where everyone is known. Unknown DNA would be expected any time high-touch area samples taken.
The knife sheath by the victim with DNA is the relevant DNA.

 

[Arkay]

One of the most surprising new elements we learned at the hearing was the new info about the unknown male DNA's.
My jaw dropped when it was revealed that there were two unknown male blood DNA samples. One on the handrail in the stairs and one on the glove outside.
This is incredibly relevant and upsetting IMO.

How is that in any way upsetting?

It's not like they didn't look into that. Neither of those things is unexpected, and blood evidence from any potential killer was not found outside of that. If there's blood on the handrail from the murder, then there should be blood in lots of other places too. It doesn't exist, because it wasn't from the murders.

I remember the blood evidence in the Kelsey Berreth murder. There was unknown blood found at the murder scene, and investigators were ultimately able to determine it came from the previous homeowner.

Is this actually new info? I feel like we learned this long ago, but my brain is leaking across different forums and it’s possible I’m confusing one tragedy with another.

What I THINK I recall immediately after the murders is all the talk of its being a party house, with innumerable people coming and going. I also THINK I recall that most of the guests had been tested for DNA.

Even if I’m mixed up about this, yes unknown bloody male DNA seems startling at first glance. However, blood could come from anything at a party house, and to me the integral puzzle piece is WHERE Bryan’s DNA was found.

You’d really have to go out of your way, if you’re innocent, to get your DNA on the sheath snap of the murder weapon found tucked underneath one of the victims.

Also this would suggest two murderers, I suppose, and DM only saw and heard one man.

IMO

ETA: @Boxer I just saw your post after I posted…agree with you.

 

[Swansee]

@MassGuy @Boxer
I wish LE would have done more testing of these blood DNA samples so we could know whether the blood was from a previous tenant or whatever. But they didn't.
Of course the knife sheath would be the priority, but that took weeks to analyze and it is stunning to me that in the meantime these two samples weren't also tested more thoroughly.
How could they know at the time that these were less relevant than the latent shoe print, which could also be from years prior by the same logic?