4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[Megnut]

What I think is, that he Googled reasons for inappropriate staring found VSS and then used it to cover for staring.

FWIW I don't think independently he'd know he was staring. Someone would have had to tell him. In a way he believed it.

My guess, he doesn't think he's creepy. Just superior.

It's an easy way to be if you discount all evidence to the contrary.

JMO

 

[schooling]

The models are virtually identical, and yes the agent blew it -apparently not realizing how many years the model was manufactured.

IMO, I'm going to guess that the FBI expert:

• received grainy and dark footage from the area around King Rd
  
  
• since he couldn't see details he had to overly rely on the headlights and tail lights as an indicator.
  
  
• Most of Hyundai's 2015 Elantra marketing and pictures centered around the new headlights and tail lights. It was the number one thing highlighted as their 'facelift'
  
  
• The FBI expert probably noticed that the headlights and taillights from the grainy footage didn't look modern. They didn't have clean LED lines. Didn't cast a more white/blue light like modern projector leds.
  
  
• Every video, picture, article of a 2013 would have shown him the same lights (color, diffusion, cast) from the video footage.
• Yet the majority of marketing videos for the 2015 would have shown him the newer lights.
• Anyone who's had or seen footage of a normal light vs a modern '3d' projector light knows that the differences are stark both in daytime and night time.
  
  
• So the FBI expert incorrectly made the call as a 2013.
  
  
• Not realizing that the older 2013 lights were still standard on base 2015 Hyunda Elantra models. Which is what BK drove.
  
  
• When the Pullman footage came in from a brightly lit intersection, now he could see the rims/hubcaps and the shape of the foglight delete cover.
  
  
• He noticed his mistakes.

Not an excuse of course. But to me this is the most likely explanation IMO. So it's going to be interesting knowing what reference pictures he used. And if he actually dug through a database of potential configurations etc.

 

[Megnut]

The one significant thing you're leaving out is that you're not an expert. The person who made this call supposedly was.

Not the OP but an expert can only be as good as his training/judgment/experience AND the quality of the exhibit.

If they only had one best, usable frame to go by, I get the impression it's not ideal, as far as quality. That's going to require some guess work.

He's not on trial (unless AT brings it there and don't think she will, it's only useful to her now, to discredit and toss), but I'm sure he could explain how he arrived at 2011-13 in the first place. Something he saw or thought he saw. Maybe elongation or a shape but again, it's not like he's comparing different-year models on a showroom floor.

LE has linked that same car to known occasions with BK at the wheel, likely tying it to innocuous driving/parking to show this IS the car, he drives it, and look how it appears on CCTV even when we know it's the exact car.

When investigation produced an actual car for consideration, the absolute correct step is to say could this car be that car in the photograph/frame/video? If it can't be excluded, then you expand the years.

The bulk is different but to me it's no different than if LE identified a perp, from cctv, as wearing a maroon sweatshirt with stripes, but when he's located, turns out it's a maroon sweatshirt with lettering. It's just a matter of clarity. Nothing trumps seeing the suspect vehicle (or photograph of it) for a side by side, point by point comparison.

To me, it's most important that LE has cctv in the first place, that it was good enough to get make and model correct, and they have an actual car to compare it to.

Even if the video mapping is imperfect and incomplete, it tracks to Moscow. Laid next to his DNA having been recovered from the crime scene, that makes for synchronicity, something IMO jurors like.

If his DNA is there, how'd it get there? He drove it there.

JMO

 

[gremlin444]

What I think is, that he Googled reasons for inappropriate staring found VSS and then used it to cover for staring.

I read the entirety of the Tapatalk posts generally thought to be his on the VSS board. As a parent of a young adult who had severe VSS and associated problems for 2 years (and therefore I did a ton of research and talked to lots of doctors), I disagree, IMHO.

At the time he was posting about in the VSS board, there was not much info online about VSS--far less than now. I actually did some research into that when this first came up.

If he was going to pick a disorder to claim to have in order to gain sympathy or community, there were far more common ones with more community out there--including other issues that have been attributed to him such as drug addiction, OCD, and eating disorders. That's a heck of a charade, to post 188 times, many of them long detailed posts and conversations with others, on a topic that you have no personal experience with but just read about in the small amount of online materials on the topic in 2011. Not to mention discussing certain symptoms that weren't really mentioned in literature of the time but that are now acknowledged to be associated with VSS.

 

[Balthazar]

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/062323+Declaration+of+Anne+C+Taylor+in+Support+of+Defendants+Third+Motion+to+Compel.pdf

 

[Boxer]

I read the entirety of the Tapatalk posts generally thought to be his on the VSS board. As a parent of a young adult who had severe VSS and associated problems for 2 years (and therefore I did a ton of research and talked to lots of doctors), I disagree, IMHO.

At the time he was posting about in the VSS board, there was not much info online about VSS--far less than now. I actually did some research into that when this first came up.

If he was going to pick a disorder to claim to have in order to gain sympathy or community, there were far more common ones with more community out there--including other issues that have been attributed to him such as drug addiction, OCD, and eating disorders. That's a heck of a charade, to post 188 times, many of them long detailed posts and conversations with others, on a topic that you have no personal experience with but just read about in the small amount of online materials on the topic in 2011. Not to mention discussing certain symptoms that weren't really mentioned in literature of the time but that are now acknowledged to be associated with VSS.

I think its a serious condition.
I just think that BK is an aggressive individual, he got struck down from his dream career so he had a lot of energy to absolve himself.

 

[gitana1]

They have the full videos on Law and Crime network (one on Thursday and two on Friday). The open portion of Thursday's video doesn't start until about 5 hours, 20 minutes in.

In the hearings that were closed, it seems there was testimony that the FBI violated terms of service of two genealogical databases when conducting their IGG. MyHeritage seems to be one of them and I don't think we know the other. The judge countered that the FBI violating terms of service of a website and/or violating their own guidelines when conducting IGG is not unconstitutional, which is what this hearing was focused on.
JMO

Thank you so much!!!! It’s so appreciated.

 

[Charlot123]

In my fellow COPP there's been no reasonable doubt created by this Defense. Just a desperate attempt to try and eliminate very damning evidence.

The Defense was on a fishing expedition IMO. It doesn't surprise me in the least the Detectives did not recall every detail. AT was trying to get specifics ahead of trial. The Detectives came across as confident and truthful to me, sometimes correcting both her and EM during questioning. The Defense were the ones that came across as disheveled unprepared, flustered, and the exhibit evidence paper shuffle was unmerciful.

BK is not excruciating talented, or lucky or he wouldn't be sitting in custody awaiting trial. He was a Criminal Justice Doctoral student and knew what LE would be looking for and planned accordingly. Except for leaving his single source DNA on the knife sheath matching him in 5+ Octillion range on the bed near or under Maddie. That had to hurt dude Kohberger's ego big time. It's a huge oops and can't be logically explained away. That's why the D is trying sooooo very hard to get that and the phone records tossed.

I do not think they will be successful in their MTS, but I realize anything is possible. It's just my opinion.

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First, to admit: this case has been handled well. It is not the Delphi case. The LEO of Idaho worked professionally, followed earlier leads, the new leads, worked with FBI, used DNA, all good.

My only doubt, and I think it is reasonable, is just the party house the three victims lived in, the fraternity, the allegations of quarrels, everything else surrounding the case. Of two survivors, one is absent, and the other, confused, to put it mildly?

So I don’t doubt the good work of the police, and I am very happy for Idaho that has such good defenders like attorney Anne Taylor. And, the state of Idaho is paying her for the defense. She is doing it for an indigent client, and she is doing a great job.

It is just I always keep in mind that the victims could have had other enemies.

But, we’ll see how the trial goes. At least, it is a decent case to follow.

 

[LinasK]

JMO MOO. I believe that too and further, my personal suspicion is that his obsession / drive / lust to access that one person, possibly to fulfil a sick desire -or- to wreak a vengeance for perceived slight that had happened between them, is what pushed him to action over and beyond being cautious. I think it was 'personal' (in his mind).

People say there's no evidence he had interacted with any members of the household but I suspect he had identified someone somehow, whether by surveillance or simply crossing paths and he had become fixated. If there had been any form of altercation whereby he had attempted to approach and chat with the object of his obsession, that could have escalated in his mind to other proportions re rejection or being slighted.

I think that there IS evidence that he stalked his victim(s) and that LE is keeping that info close to the vest and it will come out at trial.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I think that there IS evidence that he stalked his victim(s) and that LE is keeping that info close to the vest and it will come out at trial.

We shall wait and see and I imagine this could happen and we will find out something more.

 

[LinasK]

Honestly do we know if he was a suspect?
Indiana says, no. The Feds said they didn't intentionally stop him in Indiana.

We really never know all the details of these cases, why and how someone became a suspect. It shouldn't be an Elantra because the "specialist" misread the year, so it must have been something else, methinks.

So I can't discount the fact that in Indiana they were merely stopping the cars with out-of-state license plates, either. And whatever information came about BK, came when he was in PA. It could be so that he felt that he was followed or observed. He has visual snow but PA is his home, he may notice things better there, after all.

Nothing else makes any logical sense. If they suspected him in ID/WA, they'd arrest him there. If they suspected him in Indiana, don't tell me that the Feds and the LE allowed a killer of four people to peacefully drive to PA. Just did two road checks, and in the meantime, BK and dad were visiting Thai food places, etc.? But in PA they suddenly broke into his house, SWAT and all, didn't we see the newspaper pictures of how the parents' house looked afterwards?

I bet whatever information they got came when he was in PA.

If Idaho had put out a APB or a BOLO for him, Indiana would have taken him into custody when they pulled him over for the traffic violation. That did not happen. We don't know why it didn't happen. Same screw up with Richard Allen Davis who abducted and murdered Polly Klaas. She was still alive when they pulled him over.

 

[LinasK]

What I think is, that he Googled reasons for inappropriate staring found VSS and then used it to cover for staring.

Yeah, I occasionally get pre-optical migraines (VSS) when it's really cold and dark out and I'm tired. It's like a band of colored lights on the edges of my eyesight. It freaked me out so much I got checked out by an Opthamologist who told me I had nothing to worry about. It's never caused me to murder someone.

 

[Kemug]

When BK realised LE was onto him, and probably had his DNA - do you think as he desperately dealt with his garbage, he began to question if he was really emotionally suited to being a killer?

 

[neverstoplooking]

When BK realised LE was onto him, and probably had his DNA - do you think as he desperately dealt with his garbage, he began to question if he was really emotionally suited to being a killer?

Interesting question considering Kohberger’s purported academic (and personal) interest in the psyche and mindset of a murderer.

Most of us have at least once in our lives probably experienced a feeling of fear of consequences from doing something we shouldn’t have done, and sensing that (you’re) going to be caught.
I can just imagine the fear and anxiety Kohberger was feeling on that cross-country drive with his father - when they were stopped by the police TWICE, and from then on up until his arrest. Just walking around feeling isolated, targeted, your thoughts consumed with only the worry of being caught, feeling like you know the police are coming for you and everyone else is oblivious. (The classic novel Crime And Punishment).

Based on the things this guy Kohberger has said and written before the murders, his worldview opinions and inability to feel emotion or human connection, and that he operates through life seeing it as a sort of video game with characters and scenarios (as opposed to seeing humans and reality): this guy is a stone cold sociopath, has 0.0 empathetic feeling or emotion towards anything or anyone and views the death of a fellow human being no more significant or impacting than finding some lint in his pants pocket.
This guy should never be allowed to walk free in civil society again.

 

[INfisherman]

When BK realised LE was onto him, and probably had his DNA - do you think as he desperately dealt with his garbage, he began to question if he was really emotionally suited to being a killer?

Not too much - he went running didn’t he? <kidding>

Hard to guess what might have been going through his mind at the time. He was obviously concerned enough to drive across the country & baggie trash & act like a squirrel & "fake bury" it in his parent’s garbage then run across the street & bury the "acorns" in the neighbor’s trash.

At that point it’s silly to ponder such things, IMO, as the deeds were done. He obviously had given it a long hard thought given everything he did prior to the crime & had been studying aspects of crime for years.

JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

We don't know what BK thinks or feels. IMO it's terribly wrong to try and speculate, the only person who can truly tell us is him and if he were speaking the truth. That may never happen but there's always a chance.

One of the few people who told pretty much everything was Jeffrey Dahmer and through his story being told by people such as Brian Masters, we got to find out the process of how his escalating serial killing came about but it wasn't without emotion or sorrow / regret / fear on his part.

IMO there are some people whose brain wiring isn't fully developed and they have zero empathy because nature doesn't install empathy in a human being until later stages of their foetal / infant development, so they are missing something. There are some people who perfectly developed but enjoy misusing power and are sadistic, getting kicks out of tormenting and harming others because something went wrong along the way where they learned to take power / pleasure in demonic ways and seem to have no conscience about the harm and pain they cause. I suspect they have capacity for a full range of emotions but over-ride or disregard them. I wonder if BK would be a Dahmer sort of person?

JMO MOO.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Also wonder if BK was medicated or self-medicating for something, or using street substances, that blunted or shut down his cognitive function somehow?
Obviously the vast majority of people using drugs or on medications do not kill anyone but some do.

 

[mmeynstyn]

Also wonder if BK was medicated or self-medicating for something, or using street substances, that blunted or shut down his cognitive function somehow?
Obviously the vast majority of people using drugs or on medications do not kill anyone but some do.

I have wondered along these same lines. We've read about drug abuse in his teens. Don't know if he ever had a "bad trip" or OD'd or anything. One of my longtime friends has a son that claimed to have a "bad trip" and ended up in the hospital. Shortly after this, they were driving down the road about 30 mph when he just opened the door and departed the moving car. I realize this is not the same as murder; however, it makes me think some drugs really mess up your brain, especially when one ODs or has a so-called "bad trip." When my friend was telling me the story, I was picturing a rubber band that just snapped and lost its intended function.

This is all me wondering. I want to make clear I am no expert in any of this and I have not read anything that suggests BK ever had a "bad trip", OD'd, or otherwise. I guess I just try to understand what would cause someone to commit these extreme illogically risky events.

MOO>

 

[mickey2942]

It wouldn't surprise me, if his sibling contacted LEO. And gave them her DNA to match.

1. Location
2. Car
3. Description

That is enough for a person to wonder about a sibling, especially if he is really weird.

Just speculation, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit.

 

[CKS]

No, but it's as good of evidence as one. It's like the holster of a gun. It was used to hold the murder weapon. There's no good reason for Kolhberger's knife sheath to be at the immediate crime scene, since he's claiming he was never at the house, never attended one of their parties. It's as if he dropped his cell phone there, which criminals also accidentally do. We do know it was his because his DNA was found on the snap, and they know that he purchased one on Amazon.

All MOO

So you're saying it's a fact that BK bought a kbar on Amazon? If so, I stand corrected and shocked I hadn't heard this before.

MOO