4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[Boxer]

Also wonder if BK was medicated or self-medicating for something, or using street substances, that blunted or shut down his cognitive function somehow?
Obviously the vast majority of people using drugs or on medications do not kill anyone but some do.

Heroin. He appaarently kicked it, but still had green leafy substance in his possession when arrested.
Being a drug addict doesn't automatically make someone a murderer, but heroin in particulsr is associated with home burglary to support the habit.
Hot prowl is a form of home burglary - entering while resident/s are home, usually sleeping. Hot prowls often turn into SA.

 

[Cool Cats]

Heroin. He appaarently kicked it, but still had green leafy substance in his possession when arrested.
Being a drug addict doesn't automatically make someone a murderer, but heroin in particulsr is associated with home burglary to support the habit.
Hot prowl is a form of home burglary - entering while resident/s are home, usually sleeping. Hot prowls often turn into SA.

No money missing and green leafy substances could be vegetarian food.

Doesn't sound anything like an unemployed drug addict stealing for money. Lack of blood in car shows a alot of planning.

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[MassGuy]

No money missing and green leafy substances could be vegetarian food.

Doesn't sound anything like an unemployed drug addict stealing for money. Lack of blood in car shows a alot of planning.

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I do think that "green leafy substance" is going to be marijuana, but it doesn't change the motive. In order to commit this crime, leave minimal evidence at the scene, and none in your car, your only intent has to be murder/mass murder.

 

[Boxer]

No money missing and green leafy substances could be vegetarian food.

Doesn't sound anything like an unemployed drug addict stealing for money. Lack of blood in car shows a alot of planning.

2 Cents

True.
What I mean is that in high school, when he was a heroin addict, MOO it's likely he became familiar with being a burglar. Driving around looking for opportunitiea.

 

[MassGuy]

Also wonder if BK was medicated or self-medicating for something, or using street substances, that blunted or shut down his cognitive function somehow?
Obviously the vast majority of people using drugs or on medications do not kill anyone but some do.

I do think he was potentially using marijuana in lieu of heroin (I've heard about people doing this), but I do not believe he was under the influence at the time. In disorganized, insanely high risk killings (think something along the lines of Delphi), I'd expect drugs or alcohol to be involved. In that one, I said years ago that I believed the offender was under the influence of alcohol at the time (Allen said he had consumed alcohol prior to the murders in one of his confessions).

This was organized, well planned, and well executed (all things considered). Any mind altering substance would have gotten in the way of that.

 

[CKS]

Has nothing to do with this case, this study was the transfer of DNA to knives not knife SHEATHS.
2 separate items.

BK's DNA was on the snap. A snap snaps shut. I doubt BK snapped open the snap and then let someone else play with the snap. Not reasonable in my opinion.

All MOO

Touch DNA is transfer DNA. It has everything to do with the case.

the proper term is “trace DNA”, or even “low-copy number DNA,” but certainly not “touch DNA”.

Trace DNA vs Touch DNA

All MOO

 

[minazoe]

I do think he was potentially using marijuana in lieu of heroin (I've heard about people doing this), but I do not believe he was under the influence at the time. In disorganized, insanely high risk killings (think something along the lines of Delphi), I'd expect drugs or alcohol to be involved. In that one, I said years ago that I believed the offender was under the influence of alcohol at the time (Allen said he had consumed alcohol prior to the murders in one of his confessions).

This was organized, well planned, and well executed (all things considered). Any mind altering substance would have gotten in the way of that.

there are drugs that give you an advantage and keep you up at night..like meth and adderal ,

 

[MassGuy]

there are drugs that give you an advantage and keep you up at night..like meth and adderal ,

Yeah, I'm open to the latter, but not the former. Adderall would give him an advantage, but meth would probably be too intense for something like this. There's just no evidence he used either though.

 

[CKS]

No money missing and green leafy substances could be vegetarian food.

Doesn't sound anything like an unemployed drug addict stealing for money. Lack of blood in car shows a alot of planning.

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All MOO

In regards the part I bolded it could also mean and more likely IMO that BK's elantra was not the get away car.



Just my opinion.

 

[girlhasnoname]

When BK realised LE was onto him, and probably had his DNA - do you think as he desperately dealt with his garbage, he began to question if he was really emotionally suited to being a killer?

Honestly Kemug, I don't BK felt any emotion at all about what he had done during or afterward. If not arrested, he probably would have went on to become a Serial or Spree Killer, BK isn't the one and done type. He enjoyed it I believe.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

there are drugs that give you an advantage and keep you up at night..like meth and adderal ,

Yes, Adderall is just a pure and legal form of meth, especially when used not according to a Physician's instructions. A lot of College age students use it to help cram before finals.

I had a former friend that took it for energy and weight loss.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

It wouldn't surprise me, if his sibling contacted LEO. And gave them her DNA to match.

1. Location
2. Car
3. Description

That is enough for a person to wonder about a sibling, especially if he is really weird.

Just speculation, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit.

Never thought of that before, but not beyond the realm of possibility. IMO

 

[Cool Cats]

All MOO

In regards the part I bolded it could also mean and more likely IMO that BK's elantra was not the get away car.



Just my opinion.

The jury will see the totality of the evidence and convict him. A defense excuse here or there won't carry much weight.

Jury's go by what evidence there is. Cases are not won on lack of evidence.

Well maybe BK could win if his alibi put him 500 miles away from the crime scene. He can have his vegan meals on death row.

Just my opinion

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Heroin. He appaarently kicked it, but still had green leafy substance in his possession when arrested.
Being a drug addict doesn't automatically make someone a murderer, but heroin in particulsr is associated with home burglary to support the habit.
Hot prowl is a form of home burglary - entering while resident/s are home, usually sleeping. Hot prowls often turn into SA.

I was aware that he had a history of using heroin but wonder if he was still using it or something else. I wouldn't imagine weed would be a cause of such extreme behaviour.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I do think that "green leafy substance" is going to be marijuana, but it doesn't change the motive. In order to commit this crime, leave minimal evidence at the scene, and none in your car, your only intent has to be murder/mass murder.

Strictly speaking, I don't think it could be the only intent. He could have intended to prowl the house and steal high value items, leaving no trace or evidence and found himself confronted or trapped? Were there any unexplained mysterious crimes and burglaries in his area?

 

[Cool Cats]

I was aware that he had a history of using heroin but wonder if he was still using it or something else. I wouldn't imagine weed would be a cause of such extreme behaviour.

Moot point carries zero weight in court.

Why?

No blood test. If BK had a blood test showing him shot up with drugs, illegal drugs, that night, then defense could mention it but this cannot happen. It is my opinion that BK was never given a drug test on the night of the murders.

Also, drugs and alcohol are not going to acquit a person of murder without all kinds of extenuating circumstances.

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[INfisherman]

Honestly Kemug, I don't BK felt any emotion at all about what he had done during or afterward. If not arrested, he probably would have went on to become a Serial or Spree Killer, BK isn't the one and done type. He enjoyed it I believe.

JMO

It will be quite interesting to note some of his reactions at key moments, if this case makes it to trial.

He probably did enjoy it, up until he realized he forgot 1 item at the scene, which turned into 2 pieces of evidence. Heh.

JMO

ETA inadvertently quoted twice

 

[INfisherman]

DBM

 

[Megnut]

There was a lot of blood at the CS, likely some blood got on BK, but if he peeled off an outer layer and bagged it before ever getting back in his car, I wouldn't expect transfer into the vehicle, only into the bag. BK could have been wearing a bodysuit, running shorts and a T or even his birthday suit under coveralls creating a very clean get away.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Strictly speaking, I don't think it could be the only intent. He could have intended to prowl the house and steal high value items, leaving no trace or evidence and found himself confronted or trapped? Were there any unexplained mysterious crimes and burglaries in his area?

If you burglarize a house, you usually do it when no one is there. This is asking for a confrontation, as the valuable items are going to be in those bedrooms.

If confronted, he runs or stabs the confronter. No reason to linger and go room to room stabbing sleeping people to death.

I mean, everything points away from that for me.

It’s the absolute worst time to commit a burglary, and the perfect time to commit a mass murder.